Most vocals you hear are fake

Unless you are Dave Grohl, he doesn't need to breathe
lucky760says...

Interesting, but his whole premise is "the purpose of a song is to be performed," and that's a rather subjective, and I'd argue invalid, statement.

My natural reaction to all of this is: "So what?"

The purpose of a song isn't to be performed live, it's to make money through entertaining, and the purpose of performing live isn't to sing identically to a recording, but to make money through entertaining.

lucky760says...

A good analogue would be considering a film that is turned into a stage show... or an animated movie that is made into a life-action flick.

You can't do the same things on stage versus film, nor in film versus animation, but that doesn't really have anything to do with the overall "purpose" of the entertainment/story.

C-notesays...

"Kendrick Lamar is an amazing rapper, lyricist and artist..." That 's about the only thing I picked up while listening over his dialog to the performers music.

shagen454says...

Yeah I completely disagree with performance. I'm all about well recorded albums. I couldn't give a shit if it can be performed live, they don't call it "recording arts" for no reason, recording/ mixing/ engineering is an art! Look at My Bloody Valentine's "Loveless" - an album that is highly regarded and cost so much to engineer that it put a well known record label out of business. It took them 20 years or so to be able to perform that album live.

lucky760said:

Interesting, but his whole premise is "the purpose of a song is to be performed," and that's a rather subjective, and I'd argue invalid, statement.

My natural reaction to all of this is: "So what?"

The purpose of a song isn't to be performed live, it's to make money through entertaining, and the purpose of performing live isn't to sing identically to a recording, but to make money through entertaining.

lucky760says...

Indeed.

The more I think about this video, the more pissed off I get.

As if anyone would really hear a song on the radio and think to themselves, "I can't stand this song because there's no way that singer would be able to sing it live the exact same way!"

This guy's a fucking asshole.

shagen454said:

Yeah I completely disagree with performance. I'm all about well recorded albums. I couldn't give a shit if it can be performed live, they don't call it "recording arts" for no reason, recording/ mixing/ engineering is an art! Look at My Bloody Valentine's "Loveless" - an album that is highly regarded and cost so much to engineer that it put a well known record label out of business. It took them 20 years or so to be able to perform that album live.

vilsays...

You can record anything, but please do not pretend to be performing it live if you are not. And if you are forced to pretend, do it in a way that makes it obvious you are pretending, or be prepared to be labeled a fraud and scum of the earth.

If the performances in the video are billed as "celebrity dancing & karaoke" all is perfectly fine.

I find records with one person recognizably singing more than once at the same time weird and uncomfortable, yet hundreds of layers of guitar or synth or percussion noise (by one or two persons) do not faze me. No idea why.

This is all obviously a very pre-sequencer approach to music which must sound really stupid to current computerized generations.

jmdsays...

As an artist I can totally see the value in creating new song styles by using comp lyrics. It is just that bad decisions are made when trying to perform said songs live. They need to work out new versions of the song for live performances and not just wing it by deleting words or lip synching.

criticalthudsays...

shiiiit. sure everything is stitched together. that's the modern digital audio workstation (DAW).
What folks don't realize is that Anteres Autotune is THE standard in the studio. Every pop star and song gets their dose.
That, ultra compression on everything and ultra repetition in production, gone are the days of creamy analog bliss by good musicians, performing a well-written song actually written by the artists.
Now everything is done post-production, and Autotune is 'the sound' of today's pop. The writing is done by teams of "producers" who have mastered today's pop sound and format.

And then LAWYERS.
For hip hop, in the 2000's lawyers began suing the shit out of anyone who sampled old stuff. Today, an artist can use samples, but they must PAY quite a bit. So, only artists with labels behind them can AFFORD to sample. Hence, Bruno Mars can sample everything, and steal everything, then autotune the shit out of it. And wha-laa - he's got a super-produced, money-backed hit where his producers just copy the shit out of everyone.
And in the end, Bruno Mars is the P.F. Changs of music - white appropriation all-dressed up, pre-packaged and sold.

SaNdMaNsays...

Errr... he's not even white.

To pick on Bruno Mars, of all artists, is a bit ridiculous. At least he has a great voice and is a great live performer, which is much more than can be said of a lot of pop stars.

criticalthudsaid:

And in the end, Bruno Mars is the P.F. Changs of music - white appropriation all-dressed up, pre-packaged and sold.

SaNdMaNsays...

I'm in the "who cares?" camp.

If you're gonna be mad about studio tricks, why even stop there?

How about multiplying vocals for harmonic effect, speeding up or slowing down the vocals, echoes, fades, etc etc etc?

And why stop at vocals? Instrumentation and arrangements are manipulated in tons of "unrealistic" ways as well.

Production is an art in itself. I consider is as one of the ingredients, together with the "organic" stuff," in the stew which is the final recordeding.

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