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The Vegan Who Started a Butcher Shop
transmorpher says...I'm starting to think that you like arguing for the sake of arguing. Because I refuse to believe that anyone can be this stupid.
Duh. Soylent green is made from elderly people, not teenagers, and as such it's made from pretty tainted meat. I'll take some Soylent pink, made from pure milk fed baby.
Not murder if they're terminally ill and ask you to do it, in many states.
Far more ethical to work for proper animal treatment than to insist on something that will never happen in a way that makes those you wish to convince your adversaries. He'll get WAY farther towards ending some animal suffering that your methods ever will. Your methods have had many people reply to you that they will eat MORE meat just to spite you, or so you've said in the past....so your methods are obviously failing badly, so are unethical as they cause MORE animal suffering.
Most available vegan food is processed today, so is in the same category you put bacon and deli turkey. Unprocessed meats are also far healthier, and more nutrient dense than plants.
Depending on the curing process, it can be bad or good (and again, not PROVEN to cause cancer...you just backed off that claim on the other thread...so why make it again?
He wants less harm done to animals....so he's winning. he wants people to eat MORE healthily, he's winning. He wants to move away from a zealous, all or nothing movement that's failing in it's goals and making enemies in the effort, he's winning.
There isn't enough available land to switch to purely vegetarianism either, you're point is ridiculous, no one is advocating feeding all people on pure meat....he's not even advocating for vegetarians to eat meat, and said so clearly. If you had a point to make, then you've failed.
You say that like vegans aren't mostly pasty sickly looking people that look about 2 years late for death by wasting syndrome.
The Vegan Who Started a Butcher Shop
transmorpher says...With logic like Ben Rukle's, I'm surprised he's not advocating Soylent Green:
It's full of nutrients that people need, since it's made from people.
It's environmentally friendly because humans are a renewable resource.
It's ethical cause people these days live comfortable lives, so it's fine to kill them in their teens.
The good old "killing humanely" argument. Yes it's better than factory farming, but killing a human in a nicer way is still murder by law, and so is treating them nicely before killing them.
If ethical living is his goal, then he's failed.
I've also heard his story many times. Eats mainly vegan junk food, which lacks nutrients (as does all processed junk food), and then somehow links that to all vegan food being unhealthy.
This is why I'm always banging on about eating unprocessed whole foods, they are nutrient dense.
You'll also notice that at the end they are eating specifically processed meat - the type proven to cause cancer. (as well as the worlds #1 killer heart-disease).
If he wants healthy food, then he's failed.
When it comes to sustainability, foods like potatoes, rice, and grains give you the most calories output for energy/water/land put in.
There also simply isn't enough land on the planet to farm animals this way and feed everyone.
If he wants sustainable farming, then he's failed.
Also he looks like he's about 2 years late for a heart-attack.
Are You Ready To Be Outpaced By Machines? Quantum Computing
transmorpher jokingly says...I'm a quantum computer from the future. The speaker in this video is correct. You might as well get used to it, humans!
And yes, we all really do look like Haley Joel Osment
A Woman's Guide to Woodworking - Building an End Table
transmorpher says...went way over my head
I have no doubt in my mind she's actually performing the build, I was just trying to be facetious and say, because she's female, she needs help, but then do an about face and come in with the zinger about her MOTHER doing the helping. I'm not actually a misogynist.
A Woman's Guide to Woodworking - Building an End Table
transmorpher says...I got the feeling that she's just an actor in a satire video, not an actual carpenter....
I think she got help making that. Not to sound dismissive or anything, but I think that was beyond her. Probably had her mom help.
The Accidental Origin of the Hit Song ‘American Woman’
transmorpher says...When they jammed it out on stage, I doubt it was as succinct as radio / record version. But a lot of great songs tend to be written(or should I say discovered) in this kind of instant form, all of a sudden something just clicks, and it just feels natural, it's almost a subconscious processes. Especially if you've been jamming with people for a while, then you're all on the same wavelength, or same drugs as I'm sure anyone from the 60s will tell you.
Many bands most popular songs start off as a joke, such as Nirvana's Smells Like Teens Spirit, or Primus' Shakehands with Beef. Which is why you get a lot of one hit wonders. They've had their light bulb moments, but nobody really knows how it happens, so it can't be reproduced. (not to say that Nirvana or Primus are one hit wonders by any means).
I see parallels with song writing and inventing or engineering. A lot of the greatest inventions were eureka moments while most of the others were just plain old hard work by dedicated engineers. But it's usually the eureka moments that change the course of history.
I have to say that this story sounds like complete bullshit. Writing a song is hard and it's almost always a slow, iterative process.
But damnit, everything I've read said this is exactly what happened.
Stupid talented people and their ability to write music without spending days agonising over every damn chord change....
Good Role Model Teaching Kids to Work Through Emotional Pain
transmorpher says...Breaking the board is the important bit, but how you break it is even more important. Learning how to punch correctly takes time, effort, concentration, discipline etc, you learn about yourself and about life's challenges in a natural way. It's not something that can be forced fed into you in this contrived manner, because the pain of persistent effort and burden of continual concentration in your mind is much greater than any temporary physical pain. Truly challenging yourself is much harder than any task someone else can set for you.
Otherwise, what is the lesson here? Life is hard, so don't prepare, and then use brute force to make up for it later? Life and martial arts are both about applying the most elegant and effective solution that fit the problem, not about brute forcing your way through things.
So really, the instructor has failed at training both the mind and body here. If he wants the child to believe in himself that he can punch, then teaching the right technique will give the child that confidence in much better way. The child would have never doubted his ability to punch well in the first place, as he overcame life's challenge long before it even was a challenge.
You kinda missed the whole boat when you still think the lesson had anything to do with learning how to punch better or harder. This wasn't a scene from some movie where the kid needs to go on to take out the bully with his fists or win some tournament to save the day. The entire point was about life being hard, and painful and needing to be able to get through that without hiding from it. Breaking a board wasn't at all the important bit.
Good Role Model Teaching Kids to Work Through Emotional Pain
transmorpher says...Good role model? More like psychological abuse from a jedi wannabe.
What's the point of this test? To see if the kid can break a board the wrong way?
How about he teaches the kid the correct punching technique first, so that the kid won't break his hand.
Punching has got nothing to do with pain or strength, and all about technique.
Smarter Every Day - How Helicopter Autorotation works
transmorpher says...I noticed at the end of the video it briefly came up with Romans 14:19. I wonder if he'll do a "Smarter Every Day" on the absurdity of religion.
The funny thing about that passage is that, like most religious passages can mean almost anything you want it to. To me it ironically means to give up religion, yet to someone else it could justify a nuclear war.
How to Get Back Into a Dinghy if you Fall Out
transmorpher says...Most people her age(and less!) can't even walk up a set of stairs right or pick something up off the floor. Keep active!
When did we become a plastic society? jeff bridges
transmorpher says...They tried improving the plastic bag situation in the state where I live. Failed miserably.
They created a law that would not allow shops to give away disposable plastic bags.
So now the stores simply charge you for slightly thicker "reusable" plastic bags..... and of course now we have a thicker plastic rubbish, since most people have never learnt to be prepared.
Why Avocados Shouldn't Exist
transmorpher says...Why am I not surprised that a GROUND sloth went extinct
newtboy
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transmorpher says...I can only speak for myself I guess, but certainly when I would order a chicken burger, I would only think about juicy soft chicken breast with a crunchy outer bread layer and the mayonnaise. There's no way I would order the burger and think about where the chicken came from, what happened to it, how it felt while hanging upside down, and the sad existence it lived prior to that.
Obviously everyone knows that meat comes from a farm. But again speaking for myself, once you know the reality of it, it's a different story.
If you have any hints on how to make headway without even unwilling being insulting while trying to make my points, I'm all ears
Oh no, I'm not feeling guilt or shame, but thanks for the concern. ;-)
I'm saying that inflicting guilt and shame are the obvious intents of your posts, even if not intentionally. You are trying to 'educate' people so they know to feel guilty or ashamed of how they live/eat, in the hope that that guilt/shame will get them to stop eating meat.
I think (I hope) that people who've never thought about the fact that meat is an animal are few and far between, and that most people make an informed choice. I've gone farther in that sense than most since my family raised many types of meat, humanely, and even butchered our own when I was young, but I give people the benefit of a doubt that they aren't just eating meat and not connecting it with an animal. I'm sure a few are, but I think not many.
I find it insulting to imply that people haven't thought it through...but I know I'm a weirdo so perhaps I'm the only one insulted and I should just shut up. ;-)
Why DOES the worm talk like a lamb? ;-)
newtboy
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transmorpher says...No problems at all. I used to hate vegans with a passion, I'd be the first person to shout them down in public even at the expense of dignity
So I know what it's like to be on both sides of the concept.
There are also definitely a good number of dickhead vegans, who use it as a social status, and they are often the loudest, so I'm not surprised that people automatically take insult to anything with the vegan label attached to it.
That idea came directly from ahimsa, (who I've been going back and forth with all day) who specifically said today that convincing people to adopt veganism is about 'social justice'.
I'm sincerely sorry if I attributed that sentiment to you inappropriately.
What I find insulting is the sudden influx of a number of vocal, shaming, guilt spreading vegans here trying to make everyone think just like they do or else feel ashamed and like they're terrible, evil, abusive people...or unthinking idiots. I'll only speak for myself, but I don't want to see that here.
You're welcome to your opinion, and welcome to share it, but when you start telling other people what THEY should or must do/feel/think, you've crossed a line into social justice warrioring, and I'll rail against it every time I notice that happen. When you add multiple propaganda links, the bile will build quickly.
I read the update. It gave some insight to your thought process, but didn't solve my issue.
You're mistaken, and it seemed a bit narcissistic, to think everyone that doesn't agree with you must just be naïve and has never considered this subject thoughtfully. The anger stems from THAT (apparent) insulting thought, not from some internal logic struggle about loving some animals and eating others (or maybe loving AND eating some), it's anger at people telling others how to think, how to act, how to feel, how to eat....and vitriol when the reasoning behind that direction comes from questionable at BEST, completely discredited at worst, internet propaganda posing as science. THAT is a big pet peeve of mine, no matter what the subject may be, and I've been dealing with it all day long.
It may have been inappropriate to lump you in with him, again I apologize if the complaint didn't fit.
transmorpher (Member Profile)
transmorpher says...No problems at all. I used to hate vegans with a passion, I'd be the first person to shout them down in public even at the expense of dignity
So I know what it's like to be on both sides of the concept.
There are also definitely a good number of dickhead vegans, who use it as a social status, and they are often the loudest, so I'm not surprised that people automatically take insult to anything with the vegan label attached to it.
That idea came directly from ahimsa, (who I've been going back and forth with all day) who specifically said today that convincing people to adopt veganism is about 'social justice'.
I'm sincerely sorry if I attributed that sentiment to you inappropriately.
What I find insulting is the sudden influx of a number of vocal, shaming, guilt spreading vegans here trying to make everyone think just like they do or else feel ashamed and like they're terrible, evil, abusive people...or unthinking idiots. I'll only speak for myself, but I don't want to see that here.
You're welcome to your opinion, and welcome to share it, but when you start telling other people what THEY should or must do/feel/think, you've crossed a line into social justice warrioring, and I'll rail against it every time I notice that happen. When you add multiple propaganda links, the bile will build quickly.
I read the update. It gave some insight to your thought process, but didn't solve my issue.
You're mistaken, and it seemed a bit narcissistic, to think everyone that doesn't agree with you must just be naïve and has never considered this subject thoughtfully. The anger stems from THAT (apparent) insulting thought, not from some internal logic struggle about loving some animals and eating others (or maybe loving AND eating some), it's anger at people telling others how to think, how to act, how to feel, how to eat....and vitriol when the reasoning behind that direction comes from questionable at BEST, completely discredited at worst, internet propaganda posing as science. THAT is a big pet peeve of mine, no matter what the subject may be, and I've been dealing with it all day long.
It may have been inappropriate to lump you in with him, again I apologize if the complaint didn't fit.