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What makes something right or wrong? Narrated by Stephen Fry

messenger says...

I'd wager the amount of harm that comes from religion outweighs the amount of harm prevented in such rare people who are only restrained by religion. Almost everybody knows the difference between right and wrong and much prefers to do right for its own sake.

Stormsinger said:

His belief is that it's the only restraint on a fair number of people, and worth putting up with for that reason alone.

What makes something right or wrong? Narrated by Stephen Fry

messenger says...

People who can't tell right from wrong are called "psychopath" or "sociopath" (different places tell me these are the same thing or different things; I don't care). Those people need some kind of guidance to fit in. If they accept a religious god that gives them orders to be good, then they might follow them.

They'd be better off having a professional explain to them how to determine if others will consider their actions good or bad.

Sagemind said:

So it occurred to me, as I watched this, that although this makes perfect sense and it's pretty much how I see things as well, does everyone think like this.
I've seen the people who claim that morality comes from religion, and that without religion, we wouldn't know right from wrong.

So, that's when I wondered:
Are there people who actually don't know right from wrong? Are they missing that piece in their brains that limit their comprehension of empathy. That feeling when they are doing something wrong. There are no thoughts of doubt, no pangs of guilt. No recognition that they are hurting others, even if just emotionally.

And, if so, are these the people that need a God? Are all those god fearing people good members of the community just because they "fear a God"
Without a god to tell them, would they end up being the most unruly people on the planet? Is it religion that is keeping them at bay? Is chaos and anarchy the result of no religion? Not because we need it, but because without a GOD, certain people (currently religious) would have no compass, and would they feel free to randomly hurt, kill, steal and otherwise be the lowest of humanity?

Just some thoughts....

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messenger says...

It was never about logic or caring for people. It's always been about controlling people's behaviour through shaming natural and unavoidable sexual desires.

speechless said:

It's interesting to me that the same people who are anti-contraceptive (and against sex-education or availability of contraceptives) are also the same people who are anti-abortion.

How do they not see the correlation between unwanted pregnancy and abortion? And yet, they don't want any more "welfare moms" either? /confused.

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messenger says...

The way I first heard the story, the spoons were attached to people's arms so they couldn't bend their elbows. That way, it makes sense.

lv_hunter said:

Those the old spoon analogy seems pretty dumb, why not just grab the shaft of the spoon to shorten the length?

Like a big 2 handed swords where you can grip above the cross guard to shorten then swing length.

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