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Zomg, my feels just took critical damage...

ZOMG ! ! ! i DOWNVOTED YOUR COMMENT ! ! !

wanna have a fist fight ?

or a rochambeau

Do you have proof that every one of these instances of cops behaving badly were because of orders from high up in the chain of command? Because you know, that would be rather big.

That's what I mean by calculated intent. You have to prove all of this is by design, which has clearly never been demonstrated.

This video...and all the others are anecdotal. The Alex Jones nutbags of the world would have you believe that there is someone, or a cabal of people who are fiendishly steepling their fingers and cackling maniacally at the diabolicalness of their master plan. That's nice and all, but you need proof.

Until then, it's far far far more rational to believe that every single one of these situations can be traced back to very human things like poor training, poor judgement, fragile egos, over worked, underpaid. and actual complex psychological issues all of which are part of the human condition.

Sure, these things need to be addressed, but it's complex and not simple to implement. If it were, they'd have done it by now.

The pundits (aka the armchair quarterbacks) don't like complex issues, they like to try to reduce everything to sound bites. It's far easier to sell the "ZOMG FASCIST STATE THEY:RE OUT TO GET YOU" message than something that actually requires critical thought and tough questions to answer. It's easier to just lazily point the finger at a scapegoat.

Erm, if it saves someone from getting raped, isn't it worth the cost? I don't think they said they were making the state pay for them (zomg, socialist rape protecting underwear!!)

Or if wearing them makes a rape victim feel more comfortable when, for example, getting back in to dating (rather than walking down Rape Alley in Rapington)?

Just sayin..

any creator who only reveals himself to certain people and not others is a dick and not worth following or caring about. Any person who "thinks" god has been revealed to them and uses that as an assertion of authority over those who haven't had similar "revelations" are not just dicks, they deserve to be locked up.

I'm still ignoring shiny but I'm assuming he's making all the same tired arguments about god revealing himself as he always does. I'm sure he's also still quoting the bible as an authoritative source.

As Matt has continued to point out, secular morality has proven itself better than biblical morality.

God and religion are two separate things. always have, always will be. The question of the existence of a creator is largely irrelevant. If a creator exists and I'm doing things contrary to what this creator wishes me to do, tough. If this creator has a problem with it, it can come down here and tell me directly instead of using a ancient book as it's main source of communication. God is either a dick or incompetent for using such an inefficient means of communicating its wishes. Even if a creator did manifest itself physically and declared its undisputed existence, this creator would have a lot of angry people (and that includes people who DO believe in a creator) on its hands demanding some answers and rightfully so. The threat of eternal damnation just really isn't that effective of a means of ensuring compliance. Again. secular morality beats biblical morality.

Even if a creator does not exist it still doesn't change anything. Even if it was possible to scientifically prove a creator doesn't exist. It doesn't change shit. Countless people will still continue believing it. A creator may not exist, but Religion ain't going anywhere for a long time. There isn't a magic set of words that magically convince someone to not believe in an imaginary god. This ain't the TV show Stargate and there is no "Ark of Truth" and in my opinion, it would be immoral to use such a device if it existed. (great googely boogely that was such a horrible tv movie).

If we want a free society, people have to make their own conclusions. By and large, all atheists and agnostics support Freedom of Religion. They just want religion out of government. You can be religious, but government has to be secular.

science is agnostic to the existence of a creator. It doesn't care if a creator exists. If the evidence is there. then the evidence will point to it. If there is no evidence then it doesn't exist. Even if there is evidence and we just haven't found it yet, we still have to err on the side treating it as if it doesn't exist. Theists make the claim the a creator exists. You have to back that shit up. The burden is on you to prove it exists. Not only that, but you have a double burden. Not only do you have to prove a creator exists, you have prove that this creator wants you to do X, Y, and Z. None of which has been done.

And guess what, not all atheists/agnostics believe/disbelieve the same thing. just because you trot out some non-believer that says things that other non-believers don't agree with doesn't mean a thing. Yeah, atheists and agnostics like to squabble over the definitions of atheist and agnostic and the myriad of combinations of both words. So what? it doesn't remove the theist's double burden of proof, Yes, there are some atheists out there who don't just want separation of church and state, they would eliminate all forms of religion if they could. Shock, someone in a group is taking things a little far. ZOMG! THAT NEVER HAPPENS ANYWHERE!! It STILL doesn't remove the theist's double burden of proof.

Matt has argued this countless times. you make a claim? you gotta back it up. You may wish to quibble over the semantics of what an atheist is or isn't. I too don't strictly agree with his definition of atheism. But he has declared his views on the subject countless times: He used to be a Christian, but he decided that he needed to know that what he was preaching was actually rational and Christianity could not meet the burden of proof in his eyes. So he is not making the claim that god doesn't exist, because he cannot prove that. The problem is, Christians, or any other religion for that matter cannot prove any of their claims either, thus, there is no reason to believe them or consider them trustworthy.

You want to quibble over whether or not that's an atheist or an agnostic, be my fucking guest but it's just a distraction that doesn't change the end result. Matt (and myself) do not accept the claim that a creator exists, nor do we accept the claim that even if a creator exists, that this creator follows the Christian belief system (or any other belief system for that matter). And the reason that we can't accept any of these claims is because of the lack of evidence and not meeting the burden of proof

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yea, as above, the pescatarians are horrified !

ZOMG ! FISH WERE ALIVE ?

terrorists are stinky....zomg....who knew
can't they just build a detector for the type of stink?
i would hate to embarrass just generally stinky people.

Psst.., That's called graphite, not lead (in pencils)

>> ^jmd:

Frax, youmusta been a peach at school. "ZOMG! YOUR ALL USING STICKS OF DEATH!" "No of course I didn't do my homework... does it look like I wan't lead poisoning?" "Test that require number 2 pencils is the gov trying to kill off the 99%!!"

>> ^jmd:

Frax, youmusta been a peach at school. "ZOMG! YOUR ALL USING STICKS OF DEATH!" "No of course I didn't do my homework... does it look like I wan't lead poisoning?" "Test that require number 2 pencils is the gov trying to kill off the 99%!!"


Please tell me this is a bad attempt at a troll...

re: Frax's comment, oh come off it, the amount of leaching would be minimal, and then people (or animals) would need to ingest a large volume of the sand to get the lead in to them. You'd get more direct exposure handling lead sinkers for fishing lines.

Frax, youmusta been a peach at school. "ZOMG! YOUR ALL USING STICKS OF DEATH!" "No of course I didn't do my homework... does it look like I wan't lead poisoning?" "Test that require number 2 pencils is the gov trying to kill off the 99%!!"

I'm surprised no one came up with "Zomg he flew off a motorbike at like 80 kilometers an hour in to a solid metal flying object and didn't instantly explode and break every bone in his body!".

Pedantic whiney bitches, putting the FU in fun for years now.

OT about the video, looking forward to the continuation, I enjoyed it.