Keese me or I crush yoo!

O hai! I has founded yoo a helmit!

She said she was going to ram a tennis ball (or her racket, I don't remember) down her fucking throat. Not exactly "I'M GONNA KILL YOO". But anyways, this has been a most interesting US Open.

I'd say dublyutief = double yoo tee eff = wtf

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For it to be in fail, Bernanke would have had to have done something horrifyingly embarrassing, like accidentally light himself on fire while trying to answer the question.

I don't think mere pandering and spin quite qualifies it for lies. We usually reserve lies for blatant falsehoods (Palin was against the bridge to nowhere, CO2 is harmless because it's natural, John Yoo stood up for human rights, etc.).

I don't know that Bernanke was all that mad about this, but I find it plausible that he came to the conclusion that it was necessary, and even plausible that this is contrary to his ideological leanings.

I'm glad that he admitted that it's our responsibility to take care of the poor. Let's take a look at what the effect of people coming together in a social contract to take care of them was:

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/07/poverty-will-always-be-with-us-until-we-do-something-about-it.php

(quoted for the graph, though Yglesias is responding to another ideological yarn-spinner in Friedman's vein)

Curious how when the welfare state got put in place, the poverty rate went down...until we had a President who believed, as Friedman did, that it's better to let poverty be. That way the rich have their liberty from incentives to make the poor productive, and the poor had the liberty to be kept by them as wage slaves or just die and reduce the "surplus" population.

In fact, you can see that the very year in which Friedman is giving this speech, 1978, poverty had literally been halved in the wake of the Great Society, only to rise again when his kind of thinking came back into vogue thanks to Reagan's apocryphal Welfare Queens.

Personally, I love the way he waves away government's responsibility to the poor by comparing it to the building's responsibility. I suppose government has no responsibility to repay its debts (as buildings do not), to respect the boundaries of property (as buildings do not), or the responsibility to only shoot when absolutely necessary (as buildings do not).

Turns out, government has no need to be responsible at all. I would guess this guy also taught John Yoo in law school.

Your video, Torture Lawyer gets visited by the Chasers, has made it into the Top 15 New Videos listing. Congratulations on your achievement. For your contribution you have been awarded 1 Power Point.

>> ^mkknyr:
who were they clapping for?


Torture.

The amount of spin in 2:53 of video is astounding.

"Hurting America First" - Didn't it hurt America to start using torture in the first place? One of the key states to fight against the policies of Nazi Germany, the Stasi, the KGB and Khmer Rouge. One of the main founders and signatories of the Geneva convention?

"Showing military men and women in bad light" - Torture policy was top down not bottom up, we are to hold those who put these policies forward not those made to carry them out as orders. John Yoo, David Addington, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney. It was not a few bad apples.

"Voyeurism" - Was it voyeurism to cite 9/11 in almost every campaign speech during the elections? Was it voyeurism to acknowledge the victims of the holocaust? More diversionary spin. Such steps would assure these events will never occur again. One must see the mistakes of before to learn from them lest we repeat this again.

"Acts that have ended" - The acts were supposed to have ended with the Abu Ghraib scandal, but they didn't. It was a policy that was implemented and carried out before and after the scandal broke and would have kept going had the information not been leaked out.

"Hurting our National defense/Reason for suicide bombers" - The reasons for suicide bombing and attacks on America are plentiful for those who choose to do so. The way the statement is framed doesn't acknowledge that actually carrying out torture has been a great boon to creating more terrorists, or that its continual oppression and denial only furthers the case that America has a hypocritical stance. "It's bad when others do it, but its okay for us to do it."

"Replayed in the Arab world" - This is a lie. I live in the Arab world, we have enough of our own issues, the accusations of torture coming out were not surprising as the Arabs already know that Americans do not really care about the plight of the Arab people given the long history of political meddling in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Palestine, Iraq and Iran.

"Hurt the military" - Again an example of attacking the grunts instead of attacking those who created and put this forward these policies.

"Reveal intelligence gather techniques" - There has not been a single document published by the CIA, the NSA, the FBI, the US military nor any other intelligence gathering component of the US government that has showed unequivocally that torture had prevented attacks and or has made America safer in anyway. What it has do is cost America the moral standing, the support of the international world and created strained relations across the world providing fuel for terrorist organizations to attack the US more then ever.

he's obviously one of them there flag burnin Socialists tryin to dee-stroy the good ole Yoo Ess Ay!

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hope all is well in your world.
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^ >> ^volumptuous:
It was called the "Torture Memo" authored by John Yoo.
Basically, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rummy and the rest of the gang literally signed off on allowing torture, and stating that the 4th amendment doesn't apply for them.


I understand that part, but that isn't what this guy is talking about. He wasn't describing interrogations (which is what the memo was aimed at), he was talking about the general treatment of detainees.

I doubt the medic was ordered to punch any detainee that refused to eat... he was probably just pissed off and figured he wouldn't get in trouble.

I hate that torture was prescribed as an interrogation technique and I wouldn't disagree with an investigation into the policies that the administration put into place, but I also can't blame Bush for every individual decision that each soldier there made.

>> ^Psychologic:
If the Bush administration is to be condemned for anything then it should be direct policy decisions, not the actions of individual soldiers. If they ordered torture then that is perhaps something to pursue in court.
However, if the soldiers down there were being abusive on their own (ie- not because of orders) then they should be the ones facing responsibility for it (and perhaps there direct supervisors). It's difficult to tell who was allowing what without being directly involved in the situation.



It was called the "Torture Memo" authored by John Yoo.

Basically, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rummy and the rest of the gang literally signed off on allowing torture, and stating that the 4th amendment doesn't apply for them.

http://www.aclu.org/pdfs/safefree/yoo_army_torture_memo.pdf


It's right there. It wasn't just individual soldiers. It was a policy that came from the top down. During Nuremberg, the Int'l courts decided that prosecuting every single German soldier who went against international conventions on treating detainess would just be ludicrous. That's why they only went after commanders.

Non-uniformed forces fall under Geneva Conventions common article 3, so the Geneva conventions apply to terrorist forces.
http://www.cdi.org/program/document.cfm?DocumentID=3661&from_page=./index.cfm

The Bush administration has agreed to apply the Geneva Conventions to all terrorism suspects in U.S. custody, bowing to the Supreme Court's recent rejection of policies that have imprisoned hundreds for years without trials.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/11/AR2006071100094.html

The interrogation and torture inflicted on these combatants using your definition that was co-authored by John Yoo and David Addington have only brought international infamy for the US and further threatened US national security.

This not to be taken as defense for those who choose to commit acts of terror but rather to uphold a better standard in the Western World.

When fighting monsters its important not to become monsters ourselves.

and at that moment Michelle sead to obama "DAAMN NIGGAH YOo THE FIRST NIGRO OF THE USA HOTDIGIDY DAAAM LETS GET SOME KFC FOOO SURE"