Going public with his face is the only thing that keeps him alive. In time, we forget him and then he is suddenly found in a mangled wreck that is quickly decided it was an accident. USA does not forget.

What we should do is to make those keywords appear on every email we send, you know yellowcake what i PRISM mean POTUStotal bomb nonsense. You can stick it up to them, provide enough nonsensical data that triggers enough boxes and they get stuck. No matter how much fine computing they have, the final decisions are always done by a human. spamspamspamspam....

The next song "Yellowcake Romance" was catchy too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbs2XcbnSWA

good point.
I'm not arguing that religion is valid at all.
Only that it is necessary.
I don't think "society" has ever shifted from a theologically-based structure. Only WITHIN the theological structure.

therefor will not be available for use as justification for war.
--- There are plenty of rational explanations (yellowcake) than can be available for use as justification for war. Loss of Theology would not be an end to war; not even an end to unjust war.

It is patently obvious that abortion and gay marriage are only contested on theological grounds.
--If abortion is only contested on based of "value of life" in and of itself, and if that is only Theological in origin, then what's the problem with war. If loss of Theology brings a loss of unquestioned value of life, then there's no need to contend against war, is there?

>> ^MaxWilder:
>> ^chilaxe:
MaxWilder, probably ~95% of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who were killed as a result of the US invasion were killed by fellow Muslims.

You're probably right on that count. My point is simply that if christians were truly a poeple who cherished peace and brotherly love as commanded by Jesus, then we would resist going to war as long as humanly possible. But instead we jump at the chance to invade foreign lands based on evidence we don't even consider checking twice.
Why is it that I, an atheist, am the one marching in peace protests, while the christian leaders back the christian president and send us into a bloody occupation? Because christians are in truth no better than the other religious extremists who use any excuse to commit murder.


I don't know about you, but I didn't vote for Bush. And even if I had, there isn't much I can do to change the decisions he made. Regardless of whether or not Bush is a christian, he is still human, he is still prone to error. He is however, the president of the country, and therefore garners respect based on his position. I didn't vote for Obama, and I don't agree with everything he stands for, but he is going to be my president, and I will support him.


The Iraq war may or may not have been justified, depending on your definition of justice. We did successfully capture a horrible dictator, and we did recover yellowcake. War is never perfect, or pretty, but sometimes it's necessary.

I'm of the opinion that war shouldn't continue any longer than needed, and I think it would be excellent if we could remove ourselves from Iraq as soon as possible.

What about people that go around defending nonsensical official government stories. (Iraq has WMDs, Niger is selling yellowcake, Iran is trying to refine weapons grade nuclear material)

In seemingly fact based public discourse, these folks can only run around calling people names, and saying that "everyone has to be in on it". "Surely one person would have come out and announced the government lied and planned it all." It's not like the government is whisking people away to Gitmo just because they have a battery charger, and it's not like the government is monitoring all cell phone calls, emails, banking transactions. Really you'd have to be a nut to believe that.

It's not like 9/11 was done by Saudis and we invaded Iraq. Hey you can't really blame folks who are trying to fill a basic human need of feeling safe, protected, and loved by their government. Where is that tax form again, they're doing such a good job I need to file early.