*obvious but good to have on the record.
Worst. President. Ever.

>> ^jonny:
>> ^kronosposeidon:
So let me frame the larger debate this way: Who was the worst Democratic president? Carter? And what did he do wrong? Allow double-digit inflation and ask us to dial down our thermostats. Who's the worst Republican president? You might as well ask who's the worst president ever. Until Hitler or Stalin gets reincarnated, I think we all know the answer to that one.
wow - until now, I thought you were old enough to know better. I guess not. FDR might qualify as the worst Demo president, because he intentionally brought the US into a war which this country did not need to fight. As with Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Truman, etc., we have been fighting that ever present ghost. That crazy notion that if we don't fight them there, they will come here and overrun us all with their godless atrocities. Wake up. This has been an imperial nation since Teddy and even before -- going back to Jefferson and Adams. The real question is when will the citizens of this country accept that fact? They never have - they keep inventing reasons why we need to invade place like the Philippines, New Orleans, Cuba, Eastern Europe, South Africa, Central Asia, etc.
And as far as the Marines are concerned, name a single day on which the Marines defended the shores of the United States, as opposed to invading the shores of another country, not counting the American revolution, which is debatable depending on which side of the Atlantic you live.

Dude, you been drinking again? FDR brought US into a war? Last I heard, we were attacked first. And don't start with some conspiracy shit about FDR knowing about the Pearl Harbor attack ahead of time.

I don't debate that we are an imperial nation, and that our military has often been an instrument of our imperial designs. That's why I only mentioned WWII, because we were fighting to defend ourselves. However virtually every nation on Earth, even the most peaceful ones like Switzerland, maintains a standing army. Why? To deter invasions, if nothing else. So even with our imperial government our armed forces, through their mere presence, have still done the noble job of defending our shores.

I didn't know the Marines invaded New Orleans either. You must be privy to some secret history that no one else knows about.

>> ^kronosposeidon:
So let me frame the larger debate this way: Who was the worst Democratic president? Carter? And what did he do wrong? Allow double-digit inflation and ask us to dial down our thermostats. Who's the worst Republican president? You might as well ask who's the worst president ever. Until Hitler or Stalin gets reincarnated, I think we all know the answer to that one.

wow - until now, I thought you were old enough to know better. I guess not. FDR might qualify as the worst Demo president, because he intentionally brought the US into a war which this country did not need to fight. As with Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Truman, etc., we have been fighting that ever present ghost. That crazy notion that if we don't fight them there, they will come here and overrun us all with their godless atrocities. Wake up. This has been an imperial nation since Teddy and even before -- going back to Jefferson and Adams. The real question is when will the citizens of this country accept that fact? They never have - they keep inventing reasons why we need to invade place like the Philippines, New Orleans, Cuba, Eastern Europe, South Africa, Central Asia, etc.

And as far as the Marines are concerned, name a single day on which the Marines defended the shores of the United States, as opposed to invading the shores of another country, not counting the American revolution, which is debatable depending on which side of the Atlantic you live.

As a a self-professed liberal I am also ashamed, but only to a certain extent. Marines, along with the rest of the United States military, help protect the free speech that hippies so dearly treasure, as should we all. (To be clear: I am NOT anti-hippie. Just anti-hippie ignorance. Wait: I'll make it simpler and state that I'm just anti-ignorance, all the way across the political spectrum.) They would not have these freedoms unless they were defended. No, I'm not talking about faux bogeymen like Saddam, but the Axis powers in WWII.

HOWEVER, I can understand the hostility of those who don't like the military because they openly and (unfortunately) legally discriminate against homosexuals. And I am a former military man. I personally knew a number of gays in the Navy who were still outstanding sailors, and it still gets me riled that to this day that they have to live a lie in order to keep their jobs. On that account, the hippies got it right.

But when they start talking about Marines being murderers then the conversation ends for me. I know at that point that they cannot be reached, in the same way that people who equate dissent with treason are also unreachable.

So let me frame the larger debate this way: Who was the worst Democratic president? Carter? And what did he do wrong? Allow double-digit inflation and ask us to dial down our thermostats. Who's the worst Republican president? You might as well ask who's the worst president ever. Until Hitler or Stalin gets reincarnated, I think we all know the answer to that one.

Babymech.... why is it so funny. This is a grass roots promotion of a candidate. There is a little fluff in it of course. However, I am not glad he is on his way out. I voted for GW Bush in 2000. Then he promptly became our worst president ever. I do not trust any other candidate. He was the only GOP candidate that would bring the troops home. Clinton is a major flip-flopper. Brack is my second choice, but I don't trust him either. I agree that some of Ron Paul's policy's are a bit crazy. However, his message (and voting records) hasn't changed while he's been in office. No other candidate can say that. That is why I trust him as president. I am sick of being lied to, and having my civil liberties trampled on.

Super Tuesday made me rather sad that Ron Paul didn't get more support.

The US is spending trillions on iraq.. while neglecting infrastructure. Worst president ever.

QM - raising taxes, is that the only talking point you have? How l992.

Bush has run up the biggest deficit in history. He inherited a surplus of 284 billion, which he's managed turn turn into a 296 billion dollar deficit. Heckuva job. No wonder historians agree he's the worst president ever.

"history will prove him right on Iraq" - HELL NO! Bush will go down in history as the worst president ever both domestically and abroad.

"We're going to have to maim or kill every last one of these Middle East tyrants sooner or later" - I hope you are also referring to the Israeli tyrants who's daily persecution of the Palestinians gets full American approval. I hope you are also referring to all the un-democratic oppressive dictators like Mubarak who get most of their funding from America in exchange for their promise to brutally suppress Islamic opposition parties - parties who would win if real free elections were held.

"as well as bloody the noses of China and Russia" - I guess you want to attack anyone who challenges America's dominance.

As usual QM you stupidly think that violence is the solution to all problems - an attitude unfortunately shared by the idiots that run your country.

Another week, another scandal. Worst. President. Ever.

They're also filling troops up on antidepressants and sending em back into service.

Well the current president is a recovering alcoholic and ex-cocaine junkie, but I guess that would be ok, if he wasnt the worst president ever on top of it.

BTW - Iraq has cost nearly a half trillion dollars.

Worst. President. Ever.

Worst president ever?? How can that be? He's been Time Magazine Person of the year TWICE!

Talking points shall set you free...

This is a guy who won't even listen to his own military (Abizaid and Casey). Stupid, stubborn, dangerous. Delusional.

Worst. President. Ever.

I believe I was making the case against indoctrination, wasn't I, farhad?
Even still, I wouldn't go so far as to put responsibility for the Worst President Ever (not to mention the Legislative and Judicial branches) on it, as this administration has never exuded much morality or true Christianity, in my humble opinion.
They've falsely cloaked themselves in it, and a fat, stupid, and scared American populace fell for it. I believe they called that the coming of the Antichrist in Revelations...