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Gender Reveal Sparked 47,000 Acre Wildfire cost $8 Million..

eric3579 says...

His plea agreement was to pay $100,000 up front and $500 month for two decades for a total of 220,000. It also says he will pay the full 8 million. Not sure how it actually all works but sure am happy he has to pay something.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-az/pr/duty-border-patrol-agent-pleads-guilty-starting-2017-sawmill-fire-and-ordered-pay-more-8

https://www.newsweek.com/border-patrol-wildfire-sawmill-gender-reveal-party-tannerite-dennis-dickey-1145272

What Still Works - SNL

newtboy says...

No problem...she allegedly privately disavowed something unspecified she said in the past (while publicly stating she apologises for nothing and retracts nothing). Problem solved.

Republicans have decided her insanity is washed clean, like her decades of insanity never happened, and won't even vote to see if a school shooting denier and student survivor harasser that believes Jewish space lasers caused California's wildfires to clear land for trains and called for the murder of other representatives publicly should be on the education committee.

But voting for impeachment over inciting a deadly insurrection, that they thought called for a vote for expulsion.

It sounds like today they get to make that position public when the full house votes to remove Green. Let's hope democrats have grown a spine and vote her off committees without Republican support....and let's hope independents remember who the right stands with come election time....racist, antisemitic, vitriolic, total nutjobs that spout incendiary and inflammatory nonsense constantly while calling for the death of high ranking government officials.

surfingyt said:

jewish space lasers... the republicans are off their rockers

Trump and Melania Trump test positive for Covid-19

newtboy says...

It's apparently spreading through the Whitehouse like a California wildfire in an unraked national forest, and sounds like in the Senate too....at least one segment of the senate. Good thing for them it's just a hoax, one big nothing burger.
Reports are Hope tested positive Wed morning, but Trump still held an intimate fundraiser with top donors Wednesday evening knowing he had been exposed. Now, with his campaign out of money, he's put his biggest donors at high risk, and they are mostly elderly too, a high risk category.

Trump is in at least 3 high risk categories. Elderly, obese, and with heart conditions.

Two words seem to sum up the irony of the "nothing burger" president contracting and personally super spreading the virus that he's downplayed in every way since the outbreak......poetic justice.

Squadron of Canadair CL-415 fighting fire in high winds

newtboy says...

Intense.

Some of those drops were maybe 75-100 yards upwind of the target and still drifted past the fire. In America, I think they cancel fire planes in high winds like these.

That long shot of the fire closing in on the radio shack looked like a pyroclastic flow, not a wildfire. Scary stuff.
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Smoke From Forest Fire in Oregon Reduces Visibility

newtboy says...

No, Bob. The "antifa is setting wildfires" claim is pure bullshit with zero evidence. I bet Trump is repeating it. The fires in Oregon were started by lightning. Edit: and downed power lines, and dragging trailer chains, ....

The cop who posted that bullshit lie with no evidence whatsoever has been suspended for spreading lies designed to instigate violence.

The fires are started by lightning mostly.

The wildfires are not caused by antifa or spontaneously exploding trees. They are caused by excessive dryness and decades of drought caused by anthropogenic climate change and dry summer thunderstorms that are increasing in number as our climate changes.

One was started by morons doing an explosive baby reveal.....yes, another one.


They are made worse by the criminal mismanagement of federal forest lands, which make up about 57% of the state's forests. Trump likes to blame California government for mismanagement of the forest, but is too ignorant to grasp that California only owns 3% of it's forests, and they're managed far better than the federal lands.

If you watched anything that wasn't pure propaganda, you would know this. Only right wing bat shit crazy propaganda hides those facts and pretends the fires are from liberals....Only fools believe the same people who've lied to them constantly for years.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/13/912449209/oregon-officials-warn-untrue-antifa-rumors-waste-precious-resources-for-fires

bobknight33 said:

Are there many fires from arsonist , like Oregon State?

Helicopter night rescue of trapped firefighters

LA Erupts After Fireworks Shows Are Cancelled

newtboy says...

The last time I was there there were wildfires filling the entire valley/basin with thick smoke. That was gawdawful.

25 years ago when I went it was still 1/2 that thick and brown with no fires. Ugh.

Buttle said:

@newtboy, LA air may be bad, but it's much better than it was back in the day.

Bush fire goes from 1 to a 100 in a couple seconds

eric3579 says...

Seems Eucalyptus trees are made to create firestorms..

Fallen eucalyptus leaves create dense carpets of flammable material, and the trees' bark peels off in long streamers that drop to the ground, providing additional fuel that draws ground fires up into the leaves, creating massive, fast-spreading "crown fires" in the upper story of eucalyptus forests.

Additionally, the eucalyptus oil that gives the trees their characteristic spicy fragrance is a flammable oil: This oil, combined with leaf litter and peeling bark during periods of dry, windy weather, can turn a small ground fire into a terrifying, explosive firestorm in a matter of minutes. That's why eucalyptus trees — especially the blue gums (Eucalyptus globulus) that are common throughout New South Wales — are sometimes referred to wryly as "gasoline trees."
https://www.livescience.com/40583-australia-wildfires-eucalyptus-trees-bushfires.html

Eucalyptus do extremely well after fires. Fire and Eucalyptus make good partners it seems. https://wildfiretoday.com/2014/03/03/eucalyptus-and-fire/

Capitalism Didn’t Make the iPhone, You iMbecile

newtboy says...

1) I question your sources, because some of the earliest writings ever found were business ledgers dealing with selling grains as I understand it. Capitalism has been a thing since before writing was a thing.

2) um...I think those kids in China would dispute that....THEY made the Iphones, which created a smart phone market by being useful and fun (for most people).

3) do you believe capitalism and the industrial revolution started at the same time, or that capitalism has something to do with surfs, civil rights, or secularism? Capitalism applied to people is indentured servitude, what we lazily call slavery. Unfettered capitalism created a situation where civil rights needed to be delineated and codified, it didn't create them any more than wildfires created firemen imo.

Some people do educate themselves before acting or making purchases, but it's not the norm.

Capitalism says your poor neighbors should die, because capitalism says there is no value to human life...I did a term paper on that. Value is derived from a supply/demand equation, and there's such a glut of humanity that human life has a negative value.

The government paid for around 75% of the technology development. "...it paid for some of the technology...." is incredibly misleading, if technically correct (the best kind of correct). Without a healthy dose of socialism, progress slows to a crawl and only the privileged few can afford it.

1 word....flip-phones. ;-) (I don't even have one of those)

vil said:

1) Definitely - but without a market improvements fall flat and dont stick. Ancient people had a lot of good ideas but overall progress was really slow and retrograded often until.. well until capitalism became a thing. Abolishing serfdom, general civil rights, separation of church from state and the fall of absolutism made the Iphone possible.

2) No, that is my point. People "discover" things all the time, some of these things are deemed useful by the general public and capitalism provides the tools to finance production and distribution (the profit part is optional - it is entirely legal to sell your invention for any price or indeed give it away for free).

So to get to the original point capitalism did not discover or design the Iphone but it certainly MADE the Iphone.

3) Not impossible but incredibly slow. Generations lived out their entire lives without perceptible changes in their environments prior to the onslaught of capitalism and the industrial revolution. The advent of science from the renaissance onwards was OK, but only once factories and transport infrastructure became a thing did living conditions start to change for everyone.

A big problem with free markets is that they are never really "free". A theoretical free market implies too many things that dont ever happen in real life, like everyone having all relevant information and being able to make a good decision. People just dont do that IRL.

Also not everything can be solved by free markets because you cant just let your neighbors die poor because the market says they deserve it. However the Iphone is really not something the state should subsidize. I understand that it paid for some of the technology that went into designing it. But true socialism would have to make sure everyone could afford one, and would design a cheap bad phone to fit the need.

Meek Mill: Prisoners Deserve a New Set of Rights

CrushBug says...

The story that really pissed me off, was about wildfires in California.

They use prisoners from some prisons to the fight the fires. They are given training, gear, and leadership, and then they head out into the fires. Shoulder to shoulder, they work with career firefighters, trying to control one of the most uncontrollable elements, year after year.

And once they serve their sentence, and are released from prison, guess what job they can never have, after working at it for years?

McCain defending Obama 2008

Drachen_Jager says...

He didn't exactly create it. The know-nothing, faith-based, "team" before the good of the country wing of the Republicans was always there. He picked Palin because he thought it would encourage them to come out and vote. Instead it turned out to be the breath of air they needed to turn into a wildfire that threatens the state of the republic.

newtboy said:

I also agree with the description with one major exception....choosing Palin as a running mate. With that one mistake, he created the disastrous know nothing wing of the Republican party that's now running the show.

Bad Rim Job

newtboy says...

Yep....word is that an idiot driving with a flat tire on a trailer caused a car fire at Carr Powerhouse Road and 299 sparking the wildfire. The name is confusing.
I live on highway 299. It's not that funny to us.

timtoner said:

When I first heard about the Carr wildfire, it was on the radio, so the explanation seemed to be that a "car fire" started a devastating wildfire. Then when I got home, I saw that the location was Carr, and rolled my eyes at my dumbness. THEN we learned that it was started by something very much like this, someone driving on his rim. So, yeah, funny/not funny.

Bad Rim Job

timtoner says...

When I first heard about the Carr wildfire, it was on the radio, so the explanation seemed to be that a "car fire" started a devastating wildfire. Then when I got home, I saw that the location was Carr, and rolled my eyes at my dumbness. THEN we learned that it was started by something very much like this, someone driving on his rim. So, yeah, funny/not funny.



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