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BBC Newsnight Heated Debate Over "Climategate"

bananafone says...

Unfortunately, the socialists here have declared God as non-existant. So, any expression of belief is treated with ridicule and worse. And, "everything" is only open to debate if you agree with the socialist doctrine. Otherwise, again, you are ridiculed and marked as racist/politcally incorrect/wacko/tea-bagger/birther...the list goes on. Those witha third opinion get no respect/attention at all, as the last "election" clearly demonstrated.


*cough*
Religion was never supposed to be part of the government. Those "socialists" want to "get back to the basics" of the constitution. It's better for everyone if religion is not involved, religious or not. Secular government gives people the ability to worship or not worship as they please.

BBC Newsnight Heated Debate Over "Climategate"

Rotty says...

>> ^osama1234:
This is what i hate about the USA media and politics, and they're doing this on this BBC show as well. EVERYTHING, i mean EVERYTHING becomes into a two way debate, everything is open to debate. I mean they could just as well have people up there arguing that 2+2 is 4 vs someone who says it's 5. I hate the state of the USA where everybody gets a voice, even if they're making retarded claims. And there's no doubt, someone (who is wrong) will be able to deny something, while make a random allegation and leave the viewer thinking this topic is open to debate.
This reminds me of Ann Coulter's "Canada sent troop to vietnam" type thing, where the canadian reporter said, " no we didn't sent throops". She then replied, "No, I'm sure, they did". I mean, what do you do when truth can be denied point blank.
I hate this, I wish the USA went back to its basics, one nation under god. A fear of god when you talk, not making random shit up just so you get your policy. I HATE how truth has become a casualty.


Unfortunately, the socialists here have declared God as non-existant. So, any expression of belief is treated with ridicule and worse. And, "everything" is only open to debate if you agree with the socialist doctrine. Otherwise, again, you are ridiculed and marked as racist/politcally incorrect/wacko/tea-bagger/birther...the list goes on. Those witha third opinion get no respect/attention at all, as the last "election" clearly demonstrated.

BTW, did canada send troops to vietnam? Where was the casualty, truth or credibility?

Ron Paul asks Hillary Clinton if she supports Bush Doctrine

honkeytonk73 says...

We were not attacked from or by Afghanistan. Let us connect the dots and look at this logically without the simplistic view which the general US population so quickly likes to fall into.

We were attacked by Saudi nationals, led by a Saudi national who is a member of a Saudi elite family (who was protected by the Bush clan on 9/11). These Saudi's were funded by Arab money. Not 'Afghani' money. To be further detailed. Individuals in Al Qaeda were 'trained' in Afghanistan at camps which were originally established by the US CIA to train the locals to fight against Russia. These groups were funded, equipped, and trained by the USA. Bin Laden was in the leadership at the time. So if we are talking about associations of associations here, the US was technically attacked by individuals trained by US leadership. That is if you want to label anyone or anything associated with the training camps as being guilty of attacks against the U.S. Yes the Taliban are fundy wackos for sure.. but the Taliban did not attack us.

Iran may have some involvement. But the US equipped and funded Saddam/Iraq and fueled a long and brutal war between the two nations. Millions died as a result. Chemical weapons were used on both sides of that war. Chemical weapons and technology provided to Iraq by the US and their allies. Iraq and Iran were not responsible for the planning and execution of 9/11. That has been proven. Bush wanted you to think otherwise to justify his illegal war. Simply to overthrow Saddam, who stopped listening to his CIA puppet masters YEARS before. This has happened the US many many times. They stick a dictator in power, and they shit hits the fan. Panama, Nicaragua, Iran, the list goes on. Then the US wonders why they have enemies out there. We keep meddling and destabilizing regions. Why? An unstable region is a region which is not united. They pose a far less of a threat to US power as a result. That is why the middle east (the part that doesn't bend over to US power) is not allowed to unify.

Now more about Afghanistan. Afghanistan is NOT a nation. We label it as one, however it is a mishmash of very very different tribes within the same region. Many hold different beliefs and languages. 'Afghanistan' as it is known is not recognized by the local populace in the same sense as you would call the US a 'country'. The borders were drawn by westerners, and the so-called 'country' has been invaded numerous times by foreign powers. The British came in and failed. The Russians came in and failed. How are we to believe the US will be any more successful? They won't. The US CANNOT enforce a western government and values upon a land of tribes, where tribe comes first before so-called nationality.

The Karzai government is a sham. A US placed goon in power. The elections were a sham. They were rigged, and the likely to win candidate walked out due to the corruption. Karzai is a president of a city. Not a nation. Beyond his cities borders he holds no more sway that another tribal chief. Without constant military protection, he wouldn't survive a short walk to the end of the block. He is not a president of a nation. He is a representative, a local extension to the occupying force.

What to be done? Our mission is done. It is failed. Bin Laden escaped. Afghanistan is not the US's responsibility. It is the Afghanis. Let them free themselves. Let them choose their way forward. It may be bloody, but it is their nation and their culture. The US had it's bloody internal conflicts. The US earned it's way to where it is today. We build it ourselves based on our own culture and methods. It is not the same as theirs. It will not work for them. They need to find their own way.

Lets rebuild the US and stop throwing wasted resources at a dead land that would take from us with one hand, and stab us in the back with the other. The US should NOT be nation building.

Crazy like a Foxx

Keith Olbermann: Pat Robertson & "Demon" Halloween Candy

sme4r says...

>> ^Samaelsmith:
Upvote for a reverend criticizing religious wackos.

Seriously, How down to earth is that guy? It's a rare action of mine, but I would lend an ear to anything that reverend had to say, just to hear him out. He's definitely earned it in my book.

Keith Olbermann: Pat Robertson & "Demon" Halloween Candy

Keith Olbermann: Pat Robertson & "Demon" Halloween Candy

Nithern says...

Vampire Gummi Bears!?!?!?!?!?!!? (@1:27)

Ok, those religious conservatives need to stop taking their 'wacko' and 'psychotic' drugs. Maybe go 'cold turkey'. Stay off the 'religious rumbish', and maybe eat normal food for a while. Heck, maybe get out in to the sunshine and go for a jog.

Vampire Gummi Bears!?!?!?!?

Seriously, if that was true, I'll just stake them with toothpicks. Problem solved.

Let's bring back CaptainPlanet420 (Conspiracy Talk Post)

Bill Maher Gets Schooled On Vaccines By Bill Frist

kceaton1 says...

I know this has been said but, Bill is totally clueless, uninformed, paranoid, ignorant, AND dangerous. He is giving an opinion on his show that could kill people. Creationists may be wackos but, at least, they are not a hand in death as in this instance...

Damn I want to just sucker punch him over this. Next he will be telling how differential calculus works as a mechanism of goat fucking and what dark matter is all through simple mind experiments, and then he'll have to leave it there.

^ ^
Actually likes Bill Maher but this was aweful....

"WE'RE SCREWED" - Special Edition NY Post Stuns New Yorkers

KnivesOut says...

Random wacko on the internet has "run the numbers" everyone! It's OK, because he's "run the numbers" and we should all believe him because he says it is so. Never-mind that he's probably "run the numbers" on post-it notes plastered all over the walls of his one-room apartment with his own feces. He's not crazy! He's a statistician!

I'm so comforted that someone has run the numbers who also has the time to post diatribes on random websites. What a load off my mind! Now that we know that there's no going back, I guess its just full steam ahead. Hell, use dirty coal to make that steam, it won't make a bit of difference!

The 912 Teabagger Assault on Washington

Xaielao says...

This is why the republicans won't be in power in 2012. Not because their base contains so many wackos as this video so clearly shows...

..but because to many republicans in power agree with them.


To me it's a constant source of laughter. After 8 years of Bush and only 8 months of Obama, to see these people and FAUX News go so ape shit crazy after only 8 months! And the whole 'loosing our civil liberties' under Obama. Were all these people asleep over the last 8 years? No.. they are so heavily partisan they simply refused to acknowledge what was going on during that time.

And Obama = Hitler because he took over the banks? Hello, that was Bush's cronies that bailed out the banks, not Obama you retards. Don't you guys remember his economic leaders asking for billions and wanting no way it could be tracked and no details on how it would be spent?

Why don't they just outright say he's Satan or the 3rd anti-christ?

Oh thats right.. they already have.



As to people voting for him now leaving. They need to wake up and realize the mans not a god. He wasn't gonna change the country into butterflies and rainbows with a snap of his fingers and an Alakazam. The country was and remains in the second largest economic crisis in history. Things are bouncing back but they take time. I can agree that the mans not be as forceful as he should be at times, and tries perhaps to hard to be bipartisan when republicans fold their arms and go 'HUR!' like spoiled children. But let the man do what we elected him to do for Christ sakes. At least he is finally starting to get tough on health care reform. He's let republicans control the debate for to long. A strong silent majority want a public option and the vast majority of doctors in this country want one with extremely overwhelming numbers wanting reform at the LEAST.

It doesn't help that every single major news organization gives 24 hours a day coverage of tea parties and partisan bullshit. They need to cover the truth, not the debate. CNN is as much guilty as FOX.

McCain: Torture Investigation Would Be "Serious Mistake"

honkeytonk73 says...

What a dolt.

Cheney and the Repugs are flailing about trying not to end up in jail, or at the very least prevent the destruction of any remnants of credibility (if you can call it that) with these wacko neocons. I am not against conservatives, and their ideals. Real traditionalist conservatives.On the contrary I am more of a libertarian at heart. However. These neocons -are- criminals, and this shit can't be buried. We can't have this crap happen again. The best way to do that. Investigate and prosecute anyone who broke the laws of our nation, and especially anyone complicit in war crimes.

Next, get the F out of these wars. Stop bankrupting our nation running a wide reaching militaristic empire. Focus on OUR country. Not other countries. There is a LOT of work to be done right here.

Upvoting simply because I want people so hear this guy continuing to defend warcriminals.

Penis Shark

GOP Candidate Threatens "Bullet Box" if Ballot Box Fails

Truckchase says...

I'm a liberal and I actually agree with her main point despite the clumsy nature in which it was presented. (and obviously the reasoning for it's use) That being said, I'm sure she's still a moron. This brand of violence threatening grandstanding only comes up in these forums attended by and put on by wackos.

Ponce, I concur with your statement that democracy could work, it's just that democracy is dead in the US, and has been for some time. Money rules all....

V- The Remake "We can't be seen in a negative light..."



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