Yep, very similar. That extra one I gave appeals to people who relate well to patterns. No arithmetic is required at all, as long as you accept the fraction to decimal conversions.

And thanks for pointing out the quote. I didn't know what she was talking about there. Might have known it was a meme.>> ^Zawash:

>> ^messenger:
I'm not going to argue with anyone here about this, but I will add an 10.999.th reason:

That's just about the same as #8 in the video - that 0.9999.. = 0.1111.. 9, like 0.333.. 3 is.
It's also the same one I discovered one day in school, and concluded that 0.9999.. had to be one.

As well - upvote for the reference "If you're having math problems, I feel bad for you son (..)"

Read from the top. YOU are the only person here who is encouraging a fight. Admit it. The only reason you posted that comment was to pick a fight with me.

You don't know me. I don't pick fights. I had no idea such a stupid debate even existed on the internet. The point made in this video is interesting in spite of how it usually seems to go down out there in the rest of the net. Vi Hart's videos are usually about cool facts that can be derived from math, often ones that seem counterintuitive. Your comparison of Vi Hart to QM is vacuous.>> ^VoodooV:

So enlighten me, o' wise ones. What is the point of this other than troll-bait and/or ego masturbation?
This topic is the intellectual equivalent of QM coming in here and making ad-homs about "His Earness" or waxing egocentric about why he is virtuous and true and the rest of us are all immoral entitlement whores.
You saw how quickly messenger called into question the entire sift's intelligence over Entropy's post.
This sort of thing does not lend itself well to civil discourse. Admit it, the only purpose of a topic such as this is to entice someone to come in here and to argue that .999... is not 1 so you can have a grand ole time stroking your ego and patting yourself on the back over how smart you are and how the other person is dumb.

>> ^VoodooV:

LOL!!! you're comparing this topic to the actual work that engineers and physicists do? That is hilarious. Yes, I'm sure the engineering world has much to thank the awesome ability of arguing on a message board over what .999... is equal to.
This has nothing to do with calculus. This has nothing to do with actual practical work. This has nothing to do with solving actual problems. This is about going onto a internet message board and browbeating others which has already happened as I predicted.
Before you start insulting the education of someone else, make sure YOU'RE not making any mistakes of YOUR own, eh?
Sorry I can't stay and "debate" with you on this truly fascinating topic. I have to go to my job tomorrow and do REAL work and solve ACTUAL problems. Sure it's not as grand and as thought-provoking as comparing .999... to 1, nor do I get to beat up on some hapless internet newb who happens to take the troll-bait. But hey, we have to get our satisfaction somehow.
>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^VoodooV:
So enlighten me, o' wise ones. What is the point of this other than troll-bait and/or ego masturbation?
This topic is the intellectual equivalent of QM coming in here and making ad-homs about "His Earness" or waxing egocentric about why he is virtuous and true and the rest of us are all immoral entitlement whores.
You saw how quickly messenger called into question the entire sift's intelligence over Entropy's post.
This sort of thing does not lend itself well to civil discourse. Admit it, the only purpose of a topic such as this is to entice someone to come in here and to argue that .999... is not 1 so you can have a grand ole time stroking your ego and patting yourself on the back over how smart you are and how the other person is dumb.

This simple concept is one of the fundamental principles of calculus. Without it you don't have engineering, physics, or a million other things known as the modern world. It's not some obscure irrelevant math trivia only used by math geeks. It is a fundamental first year mathematics principle used by every scientist, engineer, and pharmacist in the work they do every day to make all the things you take for granted.
But yeah, just because your not educated enough to appreciate that you should rag all over it and insist it's unimportant. We should burn all the books you don't care for too, right?



Get over yourself. The video isn't supposed to start any kind of fight or internet debate. It's a simply instructive video about basic math.

If you want to be upset with anyone for starting an internet fight over something you consider unimportant blame the first poster in the thread that tried to turn it that way...

Oh, I see, it was you...

This seems like a strange thing to get upset over.

I haven't checked, but I expect you've made this comment on every video that doesn't deal with a tough social issue?>> ^VoodooV:

do a google search. It's been argued forever. Only thing it proves is how far we'll go to argue ridiculous things and the fucked up priorities of humanity.
we'll argue .999... for forever (or infinitely...zing!) but try and solve things like why kids like Trayvonn Martin still get senselessly shot or try and solve how we can take care all of our citizens regardless of income level. Ehh, we'll get around to it sometime.
It reveals just how truly absurd this shit is.

>> ^messenger:

I'm not going to argue with anyone here about this, but I will add an 10.999.th reason:

That's just about the same as #8 in the video - that 0.9999.. = 0.1111.. * 9, like 0.333.. * 3 is.

It's also the same one I discovered one day in school, and concluded that 0.9999.. had to be one.


As well - upvote for the reference "If you're having math problems, I feel bad for you son (..)"

>> ^VoodooV:

do a google search. It's been argued forever. Only thing it proves is how far we'll go to argue ridiculous things and the fucked up priorities of humanity.
we'll argue .999... for forever (or infinitely...zing!) but try and solve things like why kids like Trayvonn Martin still get senselessly shot or try and solve how we can take care all of our citizens regardless of income level. Ehh, we'll get around to it sometime.
It reveals just how truly absurd this shit is.


Trayvon Martin got shot because of racial stereotypes and a trigger happy moron.

You could solve how you take care of all your citizens if everyone in the US wanted to solve the problem, ie. put aside their differences and self concerns and worked together.

Incidentally, perhaps you'd like to stop causing friction with your fellow human beings because they aren't living up to your expectation/pre conceived notion of what they should be doing... = P

LOL!!! you're comparing this topic to the actual work that engineers and physicists do? That is hilarious. Yes, I'm sure the engineering world has much to thank the awesome ability of arguing on a message board over what .999... is equal to.

This has nothing to do with calculus. This has nothing to do with actual practical work. This has nothing to do with solving actual problems. This is about going onto a internet message board and browbeating others which has already happened as I predicted.

Before you start insulting the education of someone else, make sure YOU'RE not making any mistakes of YOUR own, eh?

Sorry I can't stay and "debate" with you on this truly fascinating topic. I have to go to my job tomorrow and do REAL work and solve ACTUAL problems. Sure it's not as grand and as thought-provoking as comparing .999... to 1, nor do I get to beat up on some hapless internet newb who happens to take the troll-bait. But hey, we have to get our satisfaction somehow.

>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^VoodooV:
So enlighten me, o' wise ones. What is the point of this other than troll-bait and/or ego masturbation?
This topic is the intellectual equivalent of QM coming in here and making ad-homs about "His Earness" or waxing egocentric about why he is virtuous and true and the rest of us are all immoral entitlement whores.
You saw how quickly messenger called into question the entire sift's intelligence over Entropy's post.
This sort of thing does not lend itself well to civil discourse. Admit it, the only purpose of a topic such as this is to entice someone to come in here and to argue that .999... is not 1 so you can have a grand ole time stroking your ego and patting yourself on the back over how smart you are and how the other person is dumb.

This simple concept is one of the fundamental principles of calculus. Without it you don't have engineering, physics, or a million other things known as the modern world. It's not some obscure irrelevant math trivia only used by math geeks. It is a fundamental first year mathematics principle used by every scientist, engineer, and pharmacist in the work they do every day to make all the things you take for granted.
But yeah, just because your not educated enough to appreciate that you should rag all over it and insist it's unimportant. We should burn all the books you don't care for too, right?

>> ^VoodooV:

So enlighten me, o' wise ones. What is the point of this other than troll-bait and/or ego masturbation?
This topic is the intellectual equivalent of QM coming in here and making ad-homs about "His Earness" or waxing egocentric about why he is virtuous and true and the rest of us are all immoral entitlement whores.
You saw how quickly messenger called into question the entire sift's intelligence over Entropy's post.
This sort of thing does not lend itself well to civil discourse. Admit it, the only purpose of a topic such as this is to entice someone to come in here and to argue that .999... is not 1 so you can have a grand ole time stroking your ego and patting yourself on the back over how smart you are and how the other person is dumb.


This simple concept is one of the fundamental principles of calculus. Without it you don't have engineering, physics, or a million other things known as the modern world. It's not some obscure irrelevant math trivia only used by math geeks. It is a fundamental first year mathematics principle used by every scientist, engineer, and pharmacist in the work they do every day to make all the things you take for granted.

But yeah, just because your not educated enough to appreciate that you should rag all over it and insist it's unimportant. We should burn all the books you don't care for too, right?

Education. It's good.
>> ^VoodooV:

So enlighten me, o' wise ones. What is the point of this other than troll-bait and/or ego masturbation?
This topic is the intellectual equivalent of QM coming in here and making ad-homs about "His Earness" or waxing egocentric about why he is virtuous and true and the rest of us are all immoral entitlement whores.
You saw how quickly messenger called into question the entire sift's intelligence over Entropy's post.
This sort of thing does not lend itself well to civil discourse. Admit it, the only purpose of a topic such as this is to entice someone to come in here and to argue that .999... is not 1 so you can have a grand ole time stroking your ego and patting yourself on the back over how smart you are and how the other person is dumb.

We are capable of processing more than one thing at a time, also people are not obligated to only consider "serious" issues every waking moment of their life. We'd all commit suicide.

>> ^VoodooV:

...But the argument just seems selfish in the perspective of larger concerns...
>> ^messenger:
FWIW, I was the one who sifted the Trayvon martin videos here, so at least I'm contributing to both sides. I guess I'm surprised that Sifters would be disinclined to accept a mathematical fact about a number. That's like just "disagreeing" with relativity because you can't picture it in your mind even though it's been proven to hold on all but the tiniest microscopic levels.>> ^VoodooV:
do a google search. It's been argued forever. Only thing it proves is how far we'll go to argue ridiculous things and the fucked up priorities of humanity.
we'll argue .999... for forever (or infinitely...zing!) but try and solve things like why kids like Trayvonn Martin still get senselessly shot or try and solve how we can take care all of our citizens regardless of income level. Ehh, we'll get around to it sometime.
It reveals just how truly absurd this shit is.

You're right on two counts: first, I did think you were arguing against the point made; and second I shouldn't have insulted you. Sorry 'bout that.

FWIW, I dropped out of high school after grade 11, I have no college math except what I've been teaching myself recently, and I used none of it when I figured this out for myself. Everything Vi uses in her vids is high school or even grade school math, and if you trust yourself to do arithmetic, then this proof is accessible. She doesn't even hint that the idea of "limits" from calculus gives a quick solution to her 9th reason, the sum of an infinite series.

Anyway, I'm happy to see then that my original prediction has held so far, and nobody here is starting a stupid argument about their feelings about whether this is true.>> ^entr0py:

No reason to be quite that much of a jerk about it. Not everyone has had as much college level math as you. And presumably her videos are about teaching people who don't already know everything she does.
But if you thought I was making an argument against the idea, you're wrong. Vihart presents it very convincingly. I was just trying to think of the implications.
Honestly after watching that video late at night I could no longer wrap my head around inequalities like X < 1. I used to think that meant X could be a number infinitely close to one, but that doesn't work because infinitely close to one is one (most of the video is about explaining why this is true). So, what is the highest possible number that satisfies X < 1? It seems there might be no sensible way of expressing that boundary, and thinking about it just puts you into a spiral of non-working logic exactly like Zeno's paradoxes. Looking back, at 1:23 she mentions what I'm talking about, but doesn't go into it.
Ultimately, she finds this interesting enough to talk about for 10 minutes, and we find it interesting enough to watch. So why should it evoke rage and insults when there's a chance we might talk about it amongst ourselves?

Really? If you weren't watching this video or following this thread you'd be out solving the world's problems? C'mon. You think this argument takes some resources away from the Trayvon Martin case? You're here for entertainment, either for engagement or for distraction, and not to advance any world cause, just like the rest of us. Arguing is intellectual exercise. That's why I would do it, if I hadn't just learned the history this problem has of never getting resolved on the internet.>> ^VoodooV:
Don't get me wrong, the scientist in me loves stuff like this. But the argument just seems selfish in the perspective of larger concerns. I kinda feel the same way about the Hadron Collider. Like income inequality, there is a HUGE gap between the smartest of us, and the average citizen. I feel we should be closing that gap, instead of indulging the intellectual 1 percent.

Your video, 9.999... reasons that 0.999... = 1 -- Vi Hart, has made it into the Top 15 New Videos listing. Congratulations on your achievement. For your contribution you have been awarded 1 Power Point.

Good sift.
Didn't know this, probably due to never having thought about it. Your example points out the mathematical logic quicker and simpler than Vi Hart's vid, which was still enjoyed due to other things i didn't know, the clarity and the pretty pictures.

>> ^messenger:

I'm not going to argue with anyone here about this, but I will add an 10.999.th reason:
1/9 = 0.111...
2/9 = 0.222...
3/9 = 0.333...
4/9 = 0.444...
5/9 = 0.555...
6/9 = 0.666...
7/9 = 0.777...
8/9 = 0.888...
9/9 = 0.999... = 1
If there's a difference between 0.999... and 1, that implies more than 1/9 is added to 0.888... to get 1.



Seems to me the only reason this maths could be argued is 1 of 2 reasons, either the logic isn't understood or people like to argue.

In regards to solving the society problems you mention: wouldn't society stopping work to focus wholly on the latest bandwagon occurrence of 1 of the 7 billion free-thinking subjective experience driven humans having a difference of opinion/preference to 1 of the remaining 7 billion blah blah humans, be more problematic?

Think it's best if the scientists focus on their job of advancing our understanding of everything, the governments do their job of controlling their masses in reasonable ways and sifters do their job of finding great videos.. might need someone to help the cops do their job though, think some of them have missed a point somewhere along the line re 'serve and protect'.

>> ^VoodooV:

do a google search. It's been argued forever. Only thing it proves is how far we'll go to argue ridiculous things and the fucked up priorities of humanity.
we'll argue .999... for forever (or infinitely...zing!) but try and solve things like why kids like Trayvonn Martin still get senselessly shot or try and solve how we can take care all of our citizens regardless of income level. Ehh, we'll get around to it sometime.
It reveals just how truly absurd this shit is.

Because it truly doesn't matter to anyone other than a mathematician or a physicist.....or people who like to argue on internet message boards.

.999... either equals one, or it equals a number absurdly close to one. It just does not matter in our practical lives.

Don't get me wrong, the scientist in me loves stuff like this. But the argument just seems selfish in the perspective of larger concerns. I kinda feel the same way about the Hadron Collider. Like income inequality, there is a HUGE gap between the smartest of us, and the average citizen. I feel we should be closing that gap, instead of indulging the intellectual 1 percent.

>> ^messenger:

FWIW, I was the one who sifted the Trayvon martin videos here, so at least I'm contributing to both sides. I guess I'm surprised that Sifters would be disinclined to accept a mathematical fact about a number. That's like just "disagreeing" with relativity because you can't picture it in your mind even though it's been proven to hold on all but the tiniest microscopic levels.>> ^VoodooV:
do a google search. It's been argued forever. Only thing it proves is how far we'll go to argue ridiculous things and the fucked up priorities of humanity.
we'll argue .999... for forever (or infinitely...zing!) but try and solve things like why kids like Trayvonn Martin still get senselessly shot or try and solve how we can take care all of our citizens regardless of income level. Ehh, we'll get around to it sometime.
It reveals just how truly absurd this shit is.