I know you asked that of someone else but I want to offer two things real quick, cindercone, then I'll leave you to them since I don't want to jump in the middle.

First of all this is why you should care if you're a Christian. This is the damage being done, this is the source of too many crisis of faith, this is your enemy. Not atheists. The roots of a crisis of faith.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L5bo50zwrI

And this is an argument that one atheist made when defending a theist he tends to hate but who had just been suspended from Youtube for hate speech against Islam. This comes closer to why I care.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnC7Nwqw5Dg

The problem in part is that we've got a movement based on lies, on distortions of both reality and of the truth, and that movement has been doing all too well and has more power than it should have ever got. Look around you. How much of that actually functions without a base of educated scientists to keep it working and to develop new technology? Where does the next generation of them come from when we intentionally distort and deny reality and what science says? Other nations have pitched themselves into a dark age of sort and we can too, even if we don't realize it.

Why Sam cares he'd have to explain but there's plenty of reason for all of us to care. It's not an us and them situation. It's a we situation. Everyone but the liars themselves. They are hurting all of us even if we sometimes don't realize it yet.

Back to your regularly scheduled program, sorry for the interruption

Religion or no religions, the problem is really our need for US and THEM.

It's the core of humans as a creature that's the problem.

Most religions are originally based on love and tolerance, but everyone ignores that.

Humans are: tribal & competitive. We socialise to get a sense of "belonging.
But to know HOW we belong, we always need to know who does and doesn't belong. - "I'm going to heaven and you're going to hell.

Maybe we feel 'special' and 'safe' about belonging if we can show others who don't?

As an intelligent creature on this planet... How do we stop picking sides and hating each other?

When will we feel we all belong, and don't need to find people who don't.

For a military industrial complex (Such as the US) to make money, it needs to always have a war to fight so there is always a need to manufacture weapons.

But winning or losing a war is unstable, and long wars breed resentment and low morale in the population. The best way to guarantee a stable environment for the military industry is to have a war that will never end, but is threatening enough to civilians to reinforce it's necessity.

The cold war allowed the creation of weapons for decades without actually having to fire them. and people knew the war was necessary or they would be nuked.

But the "war on terror" is even better. Not only are terrorists everywhere and unbeatable... but it allows you to remove low morale and dissent as unpatriotic and possibly a terrorist.

The only problem is you need to have a focal point for people to 'hate at'.

You can't have shades of gray. You need archetypes. You need a key villain and you need an organization so you can get a clear black and white of us and them.

Thanks! This is one of my favorite Floyd tunes too.

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*promote

RIP Richard Wright

Well, this kind of fear-mongering works, apparently. I have a few friends who are very pro-bush/Mccain. One of them even insists that he's seen the projections that once we pull out of Iraq, extremists will conquer europe first, before coming after us on our own continent. It's not the ludicrousness of the story that makes it so scary, but the utter conviction he says it with. The world's a scary place, full of people that hate us, and only the Republican party stands between us and them.

Sure, just pimp out more of your posts

Great song and great vid.

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Alien_concept inspired me to post this:

http://www.videosift.com/video/Pink-Floyd-Us-And-Them-versus-World-War-I

Remember, we Floydaholics gotta stick together.

Alien_concept inspired me to post this:

http://www.videosift.com/video/Pink-Floyd-Us-And-Them-versus-World-War-I

Remember, we Floydaholics gotta stick together.

You know, most of my videos aren't political. I've posted some in my time here, but not many overall. It's not that I don't care about politics; it's just that I'd rather post some good music or something that makes me laugh. However, I am SO sick of politicians repeating this LIE about America's Judeo-Christian origins that I felt like I had to post this.

Right now I could launch into a diatribe about how our nation was founded during the Age Of Enlightenment by men who wanted to keep religion COMPLETELY out of the political realm, but it's already been written 475 quintillion times, so by now every American who isn't retarded already knows this. It's just a matter of whether or not you're willing to accept this FACT that possibly separates me from you. Us and them. And after all, we're only ordinary men.

I completely agree with Pat that governments which use words like "multiculturalism" are racist governments. Just as the Canadian Government is racist for continuing to allow priviledge to Native Canadians. Or how Toronto has allowed the first ever "Black Only" High School, creating some nice segregation in what should be a more enlightened age. And before you scream "racist! eeeeee!", save your breath.

The "alternative" is to realise that while, yes, we all come from different heritages and backgrounds (my family came from Ireland, and were once Kings and rulers hundreds of years ago, do I go back there and cry for my land back?) we are all the SAME DAMN SPECIES. We should be interested in our global society as a whole, and not these groups, and cliques which are perpetually left in existence to seperate each of us from one another. The largest of these seperation, or "us and them" devices is, and will always be Religion, in my opinion. That is, until one of these religions destroy all others and form their post-apocalyptic world of facist dictatorship and worship to the sky. Just sayin'.

And it isn't just the fundamentalist Muslims that are being appeased by some of these decision of irresponsible governments. I work with several moderate Muslims (just as there are moderates of any religion) and I talk regularly with one of them. He believes still that the Jews are a threat to him and his people, and that when Jesus returns to Earth that will be the sign which will convince the Christians to join Islam and destroy all the Jews. Similar, is it not, to the Christian Armageddon in which all those that cannot be saved, must be killed?

Again, just sayin' here.

If we could all realise we're in this for the long haul, and that in the grander stage of just the galaxy, not even the universe, we do not matter. We are insignificant, no one will miss us when we cause our own extinction. Instead we could be working as a global community, as one species, towards greater things, instead of these pointless "us and them" squabblings about land, or resources, or whose made up, fairy tale, invisible, record-keeper - as George Carlin puts it - "has the biggest dick".

Yo Drattus, I don't see wigga as a word in use except as parody. And when cats say "wigger", they're not being inclusive. It's a term driven by the same us-and-them mindset that created the term "white trash" - to wit, the concept of a white person who behaves or appears to be no better than a nigger himself. It's a concept born of the normalization of whiteness and the fetishization of coloured "cool" and basically it reduces everyone to little cut-out dolls of different colours.

I'm a white Nova Scotian who grew up loving rap music from the age of nine (late 80s) and I heard that word a lot and it was not intended as inclusive. Today when friends of mine use it in any circumstance, I grill them. They think it's because I'm sticking up for whatever white person they're denigrating - hell no. There can be no "wigger" unless "nigger" is a valid and debasing term, therefore "wigger" is racist against BLACKS.