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http://www.insurance-advocate.com/Streamlining-Medicaid-the-Key-To-NY-Health-Care-Reform-c784.html

Considering it didn't happen but a few years ago, it would be very difficult to tell what positive influence it has had and will have, and his point wasn't that he fixed medicaid in NY by himself, and it's done. He said he changed it, and it's those kinds of reforms that will be needed to fix it.

I won't say he's right or wrong about it, because it remains to be seen if this kind of reform will work, but I'm glad you've already made your mind up due to your ideology.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Video is standard BM BS. A bunch of communists tossing out ad-hominems as a means to deflect genuine criticism of failed socialist systems in front of clapping sheep. Spitzer in particular is a complete idiot. When asked about "what do you do with the unfunded liabilities" he says a bunch of complete nonsense and then accuses the other guy of being biased. He 'changed New York'? Oh yeah - NY's medicare/medicaid is TOTALLY solvent thanks to Eliot Spitzer.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

The neolib meme that people who belong to the Tea Party are racists has long ago been debunked. The Tea Party is not motivated by race.


Care to cite any evidence of this so-called debunking? Should be easy if it happened a long time ago.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Video is standard BM BS. A bunch of communists tossing out ad-hominems as a means to deflect genuine criticism of failed socialist systems in front of clapping sheep.


uhh..look up the definition of ad hom sometime PP. Accusing someone of being biased is not an ad hom attack. Yet another example of Republican Persecution Complex. Trying to find bogeymen when there are none.

So you wouldn't happen to have partaken in the benefits of these crazy "socialistic" experiments called.. public schools and/or municipal water, electricity and sanitation

..Would you? o_O?

yeah,that's what i thought.

now stfu and try doing things for yourself for once.


>> ^TangledThorns:

Ohh poor liberals getting their ass kicked by the American people? Boo hoo, no failed socialism for you. Sorry liberals, try doing things for yourself for once.

Video is standard BM BS. A bunch of communists tossing out ad-hominems as a means to deflect genuine criticism of failed socialist systems in front of clapping sheep. Spitzer in particular is a complete idiot. When asked about "what do you do with the unfunded liabilities" he says a bunch of complete nonsense and then accuses the other guy of being biased. He 'changed New York'? Oh yeah - NY's medicare/medicaid is TOTALLY solvent thanks to Eliot Spitzer.

Sigh - whatever. I could go on, but on the issue of socialism far too many neolibs just don't get it. It's their religion, and trying to talk sense to them is like trying to talk sense into some whacked out fundamentalist. To them black is white, up is down, and crazy is sane. There's just no rational like of thinking they can accept.

Case in point...

Tea Partiers are obviously just angry racist Republicans

And liberals are obviously just angry, racist Democrats.

The neolib meme that people who belong to the Tea Party are racists has long ago been debunked. The Tea Party is not motivated by race. They are motivated by a desire to reduce government size, scope, and influence. To see neolibs still clinging to this race lie is pathetic. Those who continue to persist in this obvious fabrication are clearly blinkered by personal bias. Clearly a bunch of neolibs have been spoonfed their leftist talking points and had no intellectual honesty left in them sufficient to research the matter, or indeed enough to even use their brains in any way except as a trash bin in which to store the bigotry - to be parroted back ad nauseum. But that's what leftists do, isn't it? Use bigotry, race, and hate to demonize any opposing idea and then reflexively bray like a bunch of asses when some douche like BM repeats the hate.

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>> ^MrFisk:

Oops, force of habit. promote


Thanks!

>> ^srd:

Of course Mr. Kibbe is reality-resistant. He isn't arguing from a position of conviction, he's arguing an ideological point he's been paid to push. He's PR, marketeer and lobbyist all wrapped into one. I think that he personally doesn't give a flying love-act either way as long as the money is right.


I have to admit, I was surprised he never fought back at all. Spitzer utterly demolishes him and he just sits there.

One thing I have yet to understand is the relationship between the Tea Party and Republicans. Part of me wants to think the whole thing is just a scam. Tea Partiers are obviously just angry racist Republicans. But then you have Tea Partiers running against Republicans and fracturing the red vote, ensuring that Obama is going to win, even with portions of the left that are unhappy with him.

All I can say is that Democrats have been known for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory so I don't flippin care if it seems like an easy victory for Dems in 2012, they said the same thing for running against Bush in 2004. So the left better get out there and VOTE. Hell, if the left werent so stereotypically lazy about voting, they'd probably still hold congress and we wouldn't be in the debit limit mess in the first place!

>> ^srd:

Of course Mr. Kibbe is reality-resistant. He isn't arguing from a position of conviction, he's arguing an ideological point he's been paid to push. He's PR, marketeer and lobbyist all wrapped into one. I think that he personally doesn't give a flying love-act either way as long as the money is right.


If he was living in reality, he'd shave those stupid sideburn things.

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>> ^lantern53:

Medicare is efficient? it loses $60B a year.
If socialism worked, the US would be hip-deep in gold toilet seats.


Medicare WOULD be way more efficient if it didn't have to deal with all the bullshit of a privatized system. There's soo much bullshit to go through we lose tons of money with our inefficient health system, it's ridiculous. Single payer would actually save us money...which is why Obamacare got traction in the first place and got passed...because GM noticed it had to pay 2,000 more a care in Detroit than across the way in Windsor (Canada) just because of Health care BS.

By your logic, then the Department of Defense is the worst federal program in the history of all gov't programs, and it's not socialist.

>> ^lantern53:

Medicare is efficient? it loses $60B a year.
If socialism worked, the US would be hip-deep in gold toilet seats.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

I think you need to substitute "loses" for "uses to provide a valuable service"

>> ^lantern53:

Medicare is efficient? it loses $60B a year.
If socialism worked, the US would be hip-deep in gold toilet seats.

Interesting page on her website.: http://giffords.house.gov/2010/10/us-rep-gabrielle-giffords-calls-for-foreclosure-moratorium.shtml

This might not be related, but consider other people who have stood up to banks: Rod Blagojevich, Eliot Spitzer, Julian Assange, Paul Wellstone.

It would be interesting to compare the rest of the targets on Sarah Palin's hit list: Ann Kirkpatrick (Arizona), Harry E. Mitchell (Arizona), Gabrielle Giffords (Arizona), John Salazar (Colorado), Betsy Markey (Colorado). Allen Boyd (Florida), Suzanne M. Kosmas (Florida), Baron P. Hill (Indiana), Earl Pomeroy (Alabama), Charlie Wilson (Ohio), John Boccieri (Ohio), Kathy Dahlkemper (Pennsylvania), Christopher Carney (Pennsylvania), John M. Spratt, Jr. (South Carolina), Tom Perriello (Virginia), Alan B. Mollohan (West Virginia), and Nick J. Rahall II (West Virginia).

[edit: These people were targeted because of healthcare politics and geographic vulnerability and the shooter seems to be a lone nutjob. I'm withdrawing my conspiracy theory.]