>> ^Ryjkyj:

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Sorry


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>> ^Shepppard:

you almost had it, you were just beat to sifiting this my 3 years

Well damn....
I searched before sifting and came up with nothing.

So do I have to get my P back for sifting a dupe?

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Sorry

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you almost had it, you were just beat to sifiting this my 3 years

>> ^Kalle:

Add spitfires and messerschmits and ill watch that sport...


They are very different planes:

Edge 540, Zivko Aeronautics
power: 340hp
weight: 530kg

Spitfire Mk Vb
power: 1,470hp
weight: 3,000kg

Add spitfires and messerschmits and ill watch that sport...

they missed the spitfire one out ,

prop planes sound so much cooler than jet planes at low level.

Maybe not an active dogfight but

Spitfire Over London
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120394311769

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_109
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-51_Mustang

My "flight experience" is solely with simulators so devalue my opinions accordingly.

I always found the 262 to be too fast for dogfighting. It was great for hitting bombers which were practically stationary targets, but it was very difficult to get a bead on another fighter before you shot past them.

The P-51 is quite fast and powerful, of course, but not especially maneuverable. USAF craft generally weren't as agile as RAF and Luftwaffe craft, IMO. Of course, by the time the Mustang saw heavy service, the US was on heavy offense. It was necessary to sacrifice some maneuverability in exchange for increased flight range for bombing runs and escorts.

As for the guy at the end stating that the Mustang is the WW2 plane everyone wants to fly, I say "fuck no." Give me a Spitfire XIV any day.

Even if the events unfolded just the way Candelaria reported them, there's one small detail missing from this video: his enemies, the Bf 109s, were "Schulungslehrgang Elbe", a suicide ramming squad with pilots who barely knew how to keep the airplanes airborne and planes without radios, armor or armament except for a single MG131 with very limited ammo. The squad might have been led by Oberst Hajo Herrman, a bomber pilot and night fighter pilot - not a proper fighter pilot for single seater like the 109.

You'll notice how they are basically climbing straight up to the bombers. That's either inexperience or they had no time to set up for a proper attack. Normally, you need to gain the altitude advantage in a 109, so you can dominate the fight without resorting to turnfights. As for the Me 262s: they could have easily outclimbed the Mustang, despite his initial altitude advantage. They played his game instead of forcing theirs upon him.

The defensive formation described as the circle was practiced by Bf 110s when they were used as escort fighters, because they were not nearly maneuverable enough to engage Hurricanes or Spitfires. Thus they resorted to a defensive formation, rendering them utterly useless for bomber protection. If 109 pilots employ this "tactic", you know they are as green as they get.

By the way: the fight between Sonderkommando Elbe and the bombers took place over the "Steinhuder Meer", a lake not even 20km from where I'm writing these very words. A memorial can be found in Celle, about 30km from here.

A survivor of the unit, who didn't take part in this sortie though, is Dr. Fritz Marktscheffel, who was active every now and then on Luftwaffe-Forum.de while it was still online.

>> ^Engels:
Kudos where kudos are due...but the 109 was no match for the P-51D and it was very easy to outmanouver those ME-262s. They were very primitive jets with only speed in a straight line on their side.

Can't leave this uncommented, sorry.

The Bf 109K4, deployed at the time of the engagement, outclimbs and outaccelerates the P51D at almost any altitude and has a similar top speed at high altitude. If used correctly - only BnZ, no TnB -, it can dominate the Mustangs. G6, G10 and G14 could hold their own as well. Even though they were inferior, to say they were "no match" is oversimplifying and/or exaggerating. Most Luftwaffe fighters simply had a different flight profile than the others.

Same for the Me 262 - keep to BnZ and no piston engine fighter will stand a chance. Unfortunatly, it's a luxury you can't quite afford if you have to shoot down bombers as quickly as possible, because they are already over your territory. Mustangs could easily outturn them, but they couldn't catch them either unless they started with a significant altitude advantage.

Brits can fly equally low.

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