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I was going to reply to him but you guys covered it pretty well. The crazy storylines, the wild writing, characters that were up, then down.. that was the fun about it. Farscape remains one of my all-time fav shows simply because every time I watched a new episode I left it with a massive grin on my face. It was just one of the most fun shows I've ever watched.

>> ^00Scud00:

Farscape could be really over the top sometimes, but then I think that's at least part of what I liked about it, overall I thought the show was pretty well written and I enjoyed the hell out of a lot of the characters. As for why people tend to deify Firefly so much I think it could be compared to just falling in love with someone and then having them promptly die on you, they weren't around long enough to really disappoint you in any big way so your memory of them will be pretty much be eternally perfect.
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^Reefie:
Farscape is definitely a show that has to be watched from beginning to end in order to follow the threads and feel like you know where you are with it. It's a stark contrast to Firefly where episodes are an entire story unto themselves with only a couple of background story threads being maintained at any one point. IMO Farscape's complex story is second only to Babylon 5's epic-ness when considering the story-arc aspect of sci-fi TV shows.
Also helps to be a little bit crazy to fully appreciate Farscape. A love of the 1812 Overture by Tchaikovsky helps too

That doesn't explain the characters, they were sometimes very poorly written, by any standard.

Farscape could be really over the top sometimes, but then I think that's at least part of what I liked about it, overall I thought the show was pretty well written and I enjoyed the hell out of a lot of the characters. As for why people tend to deify Firefly so much I think it could be compared to just falling in love with someone and then having them promptly die on you, they weren't around long enough to really disappoint you in any big way so your memory of them will be pretty much be eternally perfect.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Reefie:
Farscape is definitely a show that has to be watched from beginning to end in order to follow the threads and feel like you know where you are with it. It's a stark contrast to Firefly where episodes are an entire story unto themselves with only a couple of background story threads being maintained at any one point. IMO Farscape's complex story is second only to Babylon 5's epic-ness when considering the story-arc aspect of sci-fi TV shows.
Also helps to be a little bit crazy to fully appreciate Farscape. A love of the 1812 Overture by Tchaikovsky helps too

That doesn't explain the characters, they were sometimes very poorly written, by any standard.

>> ^Reefie:


Farscape is definitely a show that has to be watched from beginning to end in order to follow the threads and feel like you know where you are with it. It's a stark contrast to Firefly where episodes are an entire story unto themselves with only a couple of background story threads being maintained at any one point. IMO Farscape's complex story is second only to Babylon 5's epic-ness when considering the story-arc aspect of sci-fi TV shows.
Also helps to be a little bit crazy to fully appreciate Farscape. A love of the 1812 Overture by Tchaikovsky helps too


That doesn't explain the characters, they were sometimes very poorly written, by any standard.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Xaielao:
Firefly was very good while it lasted, but I've always been more of a Farscape fan and would much rather see a reunion episode of that.
/runs for the door

I've watched a lot of Farscape. It is sometimes very good. Other times though it's just farcical. I mean I started watching it in the order that you're intended to watch it, and the Characters still had no consistency. You never knew where anyone stood at any particular time, sometimes they were mad, or happy, or friends, or enemies. It made so little fucking sense and the characters would change WAY too much over a very short period of time, and then go back like nothing was gained or learned.
I love their use of puppetry and the costumes for some of the characters, it was amazing. Some of the story lines and ideas were absolutely fun and great. The consistency and character arcs simply didn't exist though, they were chaotic at the best of times.


Farscape is definitely a show that has to be watched from beginning to end in order to follow the threads and feel like you know where you are with it. It's a stark contrast to Firefly where episodes are an entire story unto themselves with only a couple of background story threads being maintained at any one point. IMO Farscape's complex story is second only to Babylon 5's epic-ness when considering the story-arc aspect of sci-fi TV shows.

Also helps to be a little bit crazy to fully appreciate Farscape. A love of the 1812 Overture by Tchaikovsky helps too

>> ^probie:

Never understood the fascination with that show. It had some good parts (Alan Tudyk for example), but the way people carry on about it, they think it was the second coming. It wasn't that good.


I think the reason Firefly was successful was because it (intentionally or accidentally) emulated the episode formula used by the TV classic The A-Team. No I'm not saying the two shows are similar, I'm only referring to the structure of the episodes being identical.

One other factor that I've noticed is that Firefly's biggest audience was primarily the USA which may be a reflection of the settler backdrop that featured heavily in Firefly. Sure I do know a few Europeans who like Firefly big time, most of the appreciation does seem to be from the USA though. Me, I don't mind Firefly but I never really connected with the show in the same way I know it impacted with others.

>> ^Xaielao:

Firefly was very good while it lasted, but I've always been more of a Farscape fan and would much rather see a reunion episode of that.
/runs for the door


I've watched a lot of Farscape. It is sometimes very good. Other times though it's just farcical. I mean I started watching it in the order that you're intended to watch it, and the Characters still had no consistency. You never knew where anyone stood at any particular time, sometimes they were mad, or happy, or friends, or enemies. It made so little fucking sense and the characters would change WAY too much over a very short period of time, and then go back like nothing was gained or learned.

I love their use of puppetry and the costumes for some of the characters, it was amazing. Some of the story lines and ideas were absolutely fun and great. The consistency and character arcs simply didn't exist though, they were chaotic at the best of times.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^probie:
Never understood the fascination with that show. It had some good parts (Alan Tudyk for example), but the way people carry on about it, they think it was the second coming. It wasn't that good.

The point is, it had way more promise than any other Whedon show ever. it started amazingly strong, it had a great universe that was interesting and looked cool to explore. The characters were soo much fun, and interesting. The possibilities were endless, that is why this show was fascinating, because it looked sooo promising and it was killed.
Whedon finally got sick of of this crap, and went to make movies where apparently he can do whatever he wants and make $2 Billion.


I agree completely. Besides Star Wars, the Song of Ice and Fire series, only firefly, in it's short life, expanded my imagination wildly when I watched the show (about 2 years after it got cancelled, never heard of it before then). I loved it. Sure, I love movies/shows that are very well written, acted, directed. But nothing can beat something created that makes your imagination run wild.



(now that I think of it, of course my imagination has grown from other things than those I just listed. I was merely just using some examples of universes created from ideas and writting/shows/movies)... yea

>> ^probie:

Never understood the fascination with that show. It had some good parts (Alan Tudyk for example), but the way people carry on about it, they think it was the second coming. It wasn't that good.


The point is, it had way more promise than any other Whedon show ever. it started amazingly strong, it had a great universe that was interesting and looked cool to explore. The characters were soo much fun, and interesting. The possibilities were endless, that is why this show was fascinating, because it looked sooo promising and it was killed.

Whedon finally got sick of of this crap, and went to make movies where apparently he can do whatever he wants and make $2 Billion.

>> ^VoodooV:

I love the fuck out of Firefly, but a 10 year reunion show does seem a bit...much


I don't think so, this took on a life of it's own. It's now not even soo much about the show, it's about the people who love the show and them meeting up every once in awhile with the friendships they've formed. That can only be a good thing, that's how Trekkies sorta went after awhile, long term bonds were formed due to love of something and then that became the glue to foster loving relationships and friendships and other such gayness.

I think it's sweet, I supported the Browncoats but I would never really call myself one because I never wrote a letter or did anything except sign petitions. I've never even been to a con, I just like loving Firefly from a distance.

But... I like tits..
>> ^vaire2ube:

kid gets fatter and her teeth worse every year... hurray for High Fructose Corn Syrup and Estrogen-like Activity in plastics! Ruining more than a generation of our fellow persons before they even go to school.
These things are responsible for the Obesity, Early Puberty, and ADD/ADHD, the main health problems... and yet Corporations are People, my Friend (tm).
Read the labels, eat cheaper fruits and vegetables, and drink filtered tap water... you will live longer and not grow tits.

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>> ^Fletch:

I usually like watching others play video games for some reason. This was horrible. What isn't mentioned in the description is that this is an alpha build of the game. Terrible framerates, graphics, and gameplay. No wonder LucasArts canceled it.


I do too these days. Alpha wasn't meant to have smooth FPS, nice graphics, etc.

There were a lot of recent LucasArts games that should not have been existed. :


The Evolution of Star Wars Games

>> ^Fletch:

I usually like watching others play video games for some reason. This was horrible. What isn't mentioned in the description is that this is an alpha build of the game. Terrible framerates, graphics, and gameplay. No wonder LucasArts canceled it.


I do too these days. Alpha wasn't meant to have smooth FPS, nice graphics, etc.

There were a lot of recent LucasArts games that should not have been existed.

@Fletch here is a special comment for you, but more specifically as Jesus would say it:

Fuck yeah, hallelujah, praise... ME. @Fletch my son you fucking rule, I'm SO fucking tired of this nonsensical talking bullshit. They, literally in ten minutes, put out more vomitous of shit than I spoke parables, metaphors, truth, and wisdom in a lifetime! It's fucking ridiculous! Just use the back door when you come up, use the secret password: "Kolob."! I love that password almost everyone gets it wrong, it's fantastic. Anyway, you got it!?

Alright got to go my fucking cell phone is going off at fucking 7:00 A.M.! I hate this spam shit they will all rot in a layer of hell full of bugs that just won't leave them the fuck alone. Not forever, just till they fucking GET IT!