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How our society fails its men and boys -- the trailer

Porksandwich says...

Hmm.....habits I picked up while growing up. I can't say they were gotten from any one source, line, or context...but I had I still struggle to unlearn them.

Extreme independence, this mainly applies to learning in school. If I couldn't learn it in class or own my own, then I failed. I'd say this was a mix of bad teachers, parents who weren't familiar with the material, lack of easy and discrete tutoring options (although I can't say I would have used them), and the attitude that you should be able to do it on your own which was picked up along the way. This goes over into the next point.

Asking for help before you've tried for yourself. Now this is one of those things where it could go either way. Trying on your own might let you figure out a way that works for you, but it might also give you bad habits that don't carry over into other things. Mostly to do with mental tasks, but it also spreads into physical tasks. Like moving something too heavy or too large for one person, end up hurting yourself or breaking something and being chastised for the attempt that was almost implied you should make on your own for YEARS for everything. Or something as simple as trying to fix your bike, and ending up with it done wrong that could go spectacularly bad, like brakes that don't work well enough or a chain that breaks or skips and busting your face on your handle bars when you really stand on it. This is something where I still struggle today as an adult as to when asking for help or expecting help with something is "too soon" and getting varied results back. People who say "Why didn't you come to me sooner?" versus "That's easy! I can't believe you didn't try...." I think it's just so common with men that it's almost overlooked. And it leads into seeing people getting help as seeing them as stupid/weak/etc...then perpetuates the cycle. I don't know it's more of a US culture thing or what. Because I used to see a lot of foreign students in college that would work together on everything...I always viewed it as cheating and in some cases it was cheating by the rules of the college but overlooked in their cases.

So the "help" thing kind of leads into injuries, falling, etc. It's embarrassing to fall of course. But I can remember breaking my arm and having to walk home because my mom didn't believe I'd hurt myself. Or cases where I was having an asthma attack at school and told to just wait it out because I'd already used my rescue inhaler. Partly due to ignorance of the nurse or person involved, but also because there's just a mistrust of kids trying to "game" the system to get out of things. Admittedly some did this, I however did not, and I quickly learned to just tolerate all of the discomfort and distractions of various issues that may come up during the school day. Which led to a day where I was so sick I spent the entire day in the nurses office while they tried to contact a parent and had to ride the bus home flat on my back in a seat trying not to puke. Then with more apparent injuries, "walk it off" was and is the common thing you hear. It's holds some truth, but when your taught to put up with it.. I had a dislocated knee cap for a couple days. It was so bad the night before it popped back into place at school that I was using a crutch to get to the bathroom. Dislocated thumb that popped back into place when I fell trying to play football. I mean it sounds like I had horrible parents, but it was just so ingrained into me that if I could walk...I was fine.


Lots more stuff...but one that I'm not sure how to phrase properly. Anything to do with touching that might be seen as affectionate or showing concern. Pats on the back giving or receiving to or from another guy. Helping someone up could almost be seen as an insult at times. I want to say lots of eastern Euro cultures (which I could be entirely wrong here on the location) express themselves much more than US physically, and it's pretty alien for me to see given how it was and is for me aging. Of course there are times where I feel like I SHOULD do it, but the act of it is ingrained to be wrong.......? I guess that sounds as close to as I'm going to get with it.

But yeah, I see where they are going with the video. I also think that part of it is because opposite sex teacher/nurse/whatever showing above certain levels of care to a male/female student triggers something in the hormone addled brains that creates more problems. So in turn, adults are taught to put the kids in their box and treat them all like that to avoid the issues that might end up with you losing your job because Bobby or Susie thinks you like-like them. And in the past male teachers to male students might have been able to ignore the box, but I think with the public eye focused more on looking as being homosexual as more acceptable...the same sex teachers/etc are going to have adhere to the box thing too if they want to keep their jobs.

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kronosposeidon says...

In an answer to the first part of your question, your wording suggested to me that you were annoyed with gay jokes involving blankfist and me. I apologize for misinterpreting that. I am sorry.

To the second part of your question, when you agreed with spoco2 it appeared that you were agreeing with everything he said, not just the part about the porn music. In essence you said you were amazed at how much he and you think alike. That strongly suggested to me that you were also tired of the in-jokes. Again I apologize for misconstruing your meaning. At that time several people were loudly complaining about in-jokes, and your statement seemed to be part of that chorus with the way you worded it.

Of course I remember you asking my permission about your video, and that's why I found it odd that you would complain later when I did it. That was my OMGWTFBBQ moment. Again, the way you worded your reply to spoco2 made it sound like you were in complete agreement with everything he wrote, which is why I thought you didn't like the in-joke about rottenseed.

A series of unfortunate misunderstandings, apparently. I apologize for my part in these misunderstandings.

In reply to this comment by EDD:
First off- I wasn't reprimanding anyone for using an in-joke (note that "an in-joke" is a broad generalization); what I meant, and that's more than obvious, hell, it's the frackin only literal interpretation, was, "I don't like anyone else but YOU and blankfist doing your gay jokes". Gay jokes involving you, not in-jokes in general. Why, you ask? Simple. It makes anyone doing them look like a homophobic copycat. And I wouldn't like to think MG is one, would you?

Second - How on Earth does anyone, you kp, of all people, interpret my expression of enjoyment of a video's ambient music as "admonishing you for doing an in-joke"? WTFBBQ, anyone?

Third - I don't think I need to remind you that when I renamed my video http://www.videosift.com/video/My-wife-TOTALLY-hates-it-when-I-do-this to "Why kronosposeidon is divorced", I specifically asked you for permission and it was you who suggested the title. And it wasn't a gay joke involving you and another user of the Sift. AND even if it had been, I still get to call STALE on something that's getting old; hell, having done it even raises one's qualification in telling whether something's becoming overused or not.


In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
>> ^EDD:
If there's anything stale on the sift then that's someone else apart from kp or blankfist doing THEIR gay-pair jokes. Unfortunately that ain't the only reason for me to refrain from upvoting this. Sorry.


Come come, EDD. Why do you chastise Gunny (and blankfist and me) for using in-jokes, just like you admonished me for an using an in-joke in this instance, even though you felt comfortable using an in-joke about me when posting this video only a few weeks earlier?

If you don't like the video then that's fine. Hell, downvote it for all I care. But please don't take anyone to task for occasionally using an in-joke, especially when you've done it yourself.

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EDD says...

First off- I wasn't reprimanding anyone for using an in-joke (note that "an in-joke" is a broad generalization); what I meant, and that's more than obvious, hell, it's the frackin only literal interpretation, was, "I don't like anyone else but YOU and blankfist doing your gay jokes". Gay jokes involving you, not in-jokes in general. Why, you ask? Simple. It makes anyone doing them look like a homophobic copycat. And I wouldn't like to think MG is one, would you?

Second - How on Earth does anyone, you kp, of all people, interpret my expression of enjoyment of a video's ambient music as "admonishing you for doing an in-joke"? WTFBBQ, anyone?

Third - I don't think I need to remind you that when I renamed my video http://www.videosift.com/video/My-wife-TOTALLY-hates-it-when-I-do-this to "Why kronosposeidon is divorced", I specifically asked you for permission and it was you who suggested the title. And it wasn't a gay joke involving you and another user of the Sift. AND even if it had been, I still get to call STALE on something that's getting old; hell, having done it even raises one's qualification in telling whether something's becoming overused or not.


In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
>> ^EDD:
If there's anything stale on the sift then that's someone else apart from kp or blankfist doing THEIR gay-pair jokes. Unfortunately that ain't the only reason for me to refrain from upvoting this. Sorry.


Come come, EDD. Why do you chastise Gunny (and blankfist and me) for using in-jokes, just like you admonished me for an using an in-joke in this instance, even though you felt comfortable using an in-joke about me when posting this video only a few weeks earlier?

If you don't like the video then that's fine. Hell, downvote it for all I care. But please don't take anyone to task for occasionally using an in-joke, especially when you've done it yourself.

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EDD says...

First off- I wasn't reprimanding anyone for using an in-joke (note that "an in-joke" is a broad generalization); what I meant, and that's more than obvious, hell, it's the frackin only literal interpretation, was, "I don't like anyone else but YOU and blankfist doing your gay jokes". Why, you ask? OK, maybe you don't care, but lemme explain anyway: simple. It makes anyone doing them look like a homophobic copycat. And I wouldn't like to think MG is one, would you?

Second - How on Earth does anyone, you kp, of all people, interpret my expression of enjoyment of a video's ambient music as "admonishing you for doing an in-joke"? WTFBBQ, anyone?

Third - I don't think I need to remind you that when I renamed my video http://www.videosift.com/video/My-wife-TOTALLY-hates-it-when-I-do-this to "Why kronosposeidon is divorced", I specifically asked you for permission and it was you who suggested the title. And it wasn't a gay joke involving you and another user of the Sift. AND even if it had been, I still get to call STALE on something that's getting old; hell, having done it even raises one's qualification in telling whether something's becoming overused or not.

And MG - it's not a smackdown if someone else does it for you. And, sorry, "pwnwned" is not a smackdown, either

>> ^kronosposeidon:
>> ^EDD:
If there's anything stale on the sift then that's someone else apart from kp or blankfist doing THEIR gay-pair jokes. Unfortunately that ain't the only reason for me to refrain from upvoting this. Sorry.

Come come, EDD. Why do you chastise Gunny (and blankfist and me) for using in-jokes, just like you admonished me for an using an in-joke in this instance, even though you felt comfortable using an in-joke about me when posting this video only a few weeks earlier?
If you don't like the video then that's fine. Hell, downvote it for all I care. But please don't take anyone to task for occasionally using an in-joke, especially when you've done it yourself.

Blankfist invites people over for a Friday night party

Blankfist invites people over for a Friday night party

MarineGunrock says...

>> ^kronosposeidon:
>>
Come come, EDD. Why do you chastise Gunny (and blankfist and me) for using in-jokes, just like you admonished me for an using an in-joke in this instance, even though you felt comfortable using an in-joke about me when posting this video only a few weeks earlier?
If you don't like the video then that's fine. Hell, downvote it for all I care. But please don't take anyone to task for occasionally using an in-joke, especially when you've done it yourself.


(Said like an internet commentor) Pwwwnnwned.

Blankfist invites people over for a Friday night party

kronosposeidon says...

>> ^EDD:
If there's anything stale on the sift then that's someone else apart from kp or blankfist doing THEIR gay-pair jokes. Unfortunately that ain't the only reason for me to refrain from upvoting this. Sorry.


Come come, EDD. Why do you chastise Gunny (and blankfist and me) for using in-jokes, just like you admonished me for an using an in-joke in this instance, even though you felt comfortable using an in-joke about me when posting this video only a few weeks earlier?

If you don't like the video then that's fine. Hell, downvote it for all I care. But please don't take anyone to task for occasionally using an in-joke, especially when you've done it yourself.

Rottenseed talks to his college sex teacher

kronosposeidon says...

^Look, I'm not the only taking this seriously. When someone says they can't upvote a video merely because of a HARMLESS title, then it's obvious that I'm not the only one. And that's fine; that's southblvd's prerogative. Hell, people can downvote the video just because of the title for all I care. However some people made it pretty clear that they find it annoying, and in not so subtle terms. And that's fine too. Three cheers for free speech!

However don't be surprised if I respond forcefully to their comments, especially when they assert that in-joke titles are "painful". Three cheers for free speech!

Rottenseed talks to his college sex teacher

rottenseed says...

Search for "college sex teacher", "college sex", or "college teacher". The unique or first video that you see, is this one. Doesn't have anything to do with rottenseed.

Rottenseed talks to his college sex teacher

residue says...

I don't see what the fuss is. In order to fix the title you propose changing "Rottenseed talks to his college sex teacher" to "A guy talks to his college sex teacher." Doesn't make much of a difference, does it? Why change a funny title that still explains in general what's going on in the video to a boring title that explains in general what's going on in the video?



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