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population of Bohmte about 13,000 over about 40 sq miles. 300 people per sq mile. Seattle - 7,700 peeps per sq mile. So yeah, the same.

You're right Yogi. I also find that cyclists in Seattle are too fucking stupid to remember what those red, yellow and green lights mean, and the red octagonal sign writing on it... what's up with that bullshit, eh? BIKE POWER!!!!!

I think you're all full of shit. In Seattle cyclists are everywhere, they don't pay attention to stop signs or stop lights and it seems to work just fine.

I think the best idea is still banning cars from city centers and only using trolleys or bicycles.

If I'm being honest here, I don't care what you guys think, this comment section is for me not you.

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Ah, I can see you have a FORT in mind. There is no FORT, really. The whole area is the Fort, the land itself. The "blocking fort" ARE the bunkers -- on top of the bluffs and at water level. There are two other forts in a triangular shape -- one on Whidbey Island and one on Marrowstone Island. The idea was if any boat came into the waters of Admiralty Inlet, one of the forts bunkers' big guns could take them out.

The bunkers are all still there. They were going to jackhammer them away, but they were made from imported Belgian concrete and they just would NOT break up.

So you can go crawling around in all sorts of bunkers. Some of the rooms have had their doors welded shut, for safety reasons. But there are plenty to explore.

These three forts aren't on an estuary, however. It is ocean water, but not the ocean. The Pacific Ocean stops about where the Northwest corner of the Olympic Peninsula is kind of south of Vancouver Island, in Canada. Things get narrow there, and the ocean waves can't reach. Or something. So there are bodies of water that ships and boats follow going east, then they turn south to Seattle, which is on the coast of Puget Sound.

It's all very confusing. I can never figure out which way is north. Port Townsend has water on three sides, fer pitys sake!

Oh, and they did remove the big guns, even as they left the bunkers. You can see where they were and get a good sense of how big those guns were.

None of the three forts ever shot in anger. Just practice.

Exactly! "Shop fronts" only.

So when are you coming to America? It is beautiful in my part of the country, albeit very young by European or even East Coast standards. We are very proud of our oldest building. I think it was built in 1875 or something. Maybe even later. Ha.

And why was it a military base? Because all those "founding fathers" who poured a butt load of money into PT were in danger of losing it all when Seattle got port status instead of us. Those "founding fathers" still had lots of pull in Washington DC, so they got the Fort put here to prop up the local economy. And now it is a State Park -- one of the few that actually doesn't need any tax funds to stay open -- it actually makes a profit.

Plus there are wonderful bunkers to play in. And walks to take through the woods.

Have you ever seen An Officer and a Gentleman, with Richard Gere and Debra Winger? That was filmed here. All the base scenes were filmed at Fort Worden. A couple of years before I got here. You could tell which buildings were used in scenes -- or rather, which SIDES of buildings were used in scenes. They repainted the buildings a pristine white -- if they were in camera view. So the backsides were all peeling and nasty.

That was before the Fort started making money, of course. All the sides of the buildings look nice now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Ehz_cAMGc

You can see the Fort at :57, 1:05,1:52 and the iconic 2:06. All a brisk 15 minute walk from my house. Look out my kitchen window, and you can see the tree covered hill that is the Fort. (The jogging scene at :38 is on the other side of the hill - sheer bluffs to the water.)

It is indeed a very neat place. You watch that movie, come over here, and I'll give you a tour, okay?

JUST LIKE EX-GIRLFRIEND WHO MOVE IN WITH YOUR BEST FRIEND JAKE WHO LIVE WITH YOU FOR 3 MONTHS WHEN HE MOVE HERE FROM SEATTLE...LONG GONE...NEVER COMING BACK...HOOOME RUUUUUN!!!!

As a Seattle-lite, I say this from the bottom of my heart:

FUCK. THE. SEAHAWKS.

Thank you.

The Olympic Peninsula is a giant rock that ran into the continental US. When the white settlers first got here, they looked at all the massive trees and thought -- FERTILE LAND! Woo-hoo!

They were shocked when they clear cut, dug down, and found rock, like, really quickly.

Port Townsend was supposed to be Seattle -- the main entry point of all ocean shipping. But they could see that there wasn't enough water and the deep bay wasn't protected enough. When a storm came in and beached a bunch of sailing ships. that ended PT's hopes. The money moved to Seattle, protected by Puget Sound.

PT is also in the rainshadow of the Olympics. Over 100" of rain on the ocean side of the Olympics. PT, which is on the other side? Gets 19" a year. Seattle gets 40".

Micro-climates rule over here. Even within city limits -- once I was downtown (which is one block from the water) and struggled to get home through a snow storm. By the time I drove half a mile to a flat area to attempt to go inland, and drove four blocks away from the waterfront, it wasn't even raining.

Micro. Climates.

What you say is true of the Seattle side of Puget Sound. But once you keep going east, over the Cascades, you end up in a huge rainshadow that is most of Eastern Washington.

I couldn't tell you word one about climate in Europe. Typical American!

That's not what I hear. The Boom of what, or something?

I don't really follow football.

Still - IN YOUR FACE, tough guy. Seattle will bury you!

They have outlawed homelessness in Lynnwood WA as well.
http://hpn.asu.edu/archives/2001-May/003730.html
I complained to a friend about the law and was told some Seattle suburbs do far worse

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