And you clearly do? If all they yelled were "SEARCH WARRANT" and busted down the door, I don't know what I would have done. If I had lived in a bad neighborhood, why should I believe they were actually cops and not robbers? They didn't even give him a chance to lower his stick or what it was in his hands. They shot him and then said get on the ground.

You must be very easy to rob.
>> ^rellik:

Umm no I would NOT have done the same thing. I would still be in shock and would have complied with whatever was shouted at me. Police or intruder.
You use the term "most people" very lightly and you clearly don't represent "most people".

>> ^gwiz665:
Put yourself in his place. Would you now have done the same thing he did? I would certainly have grabbed something and tried to scare off the intruders. I think most people would have done that, and then most people would have been dead.

Not to be one of those guys but....

I have totally been on the wrong end of a FELONY search warrant and if you are doing anything but putting your fucking hands up and getting on the ground, then you are putting yourself at risk.

This dude brandished what looks to be a sword, so as a cop, what would you do?

Guns are drawn prior to for a reason. People seem to forget that warrants are called warrants because something like (insert felony charge) WARRANTED their need for a forced entry after the suspect refuses to turn himself in. It's not like this guy had no idea this was coming.

Oh, and the police are still yelling "Get on the ground" after the shooting because the don't know who else is in the house.

>> ^Smugglarn:

I normally do not bash police work, but this seems strange.
It's obvious that the suspect has a weapon in his hand, but it's also obvious that it is a melee weapon. The suspect pretty much goes down on the first shot. The rest are kill shots.
Now, if this was a military op I would understand, but this seems like strange procedure in police work - SWAT team or not.


I had a discussion about this kind of thing with a cop a while back. She basically said that you don't fire unless you fear for your life, and if that is the case then you don't fire just one bullet and wait to see if one was enough. Part of that is because with some drugs one bullet isn't going to neutralize the person immediately unless it's through the head or spine. Another part is that a judge/jury is less likely to believe the officer feared death if they only fired once.

In this case it's hard to tell because of the poor video quality. The first time I watched this video I thought the guy opened his front door and the police gunned him down immediately. Watching it again they were inside yelling "search warrant" and then there's suddenly a guy holding a golf club (?) in a stance like he's about to attack with it. I watched that part several times but couldn't tell if the guy was moving forward, backward, or standing still.

I prefer non-lethal means, but in this case I'm not sure what the cop should have done differently at that moment, nor can I say with any certainty what I would have done in his place (one reason why I'm not a cop). I've seen police video of a meth'd-up guy repeatedly punching someone with his severely broken arm, so I doubt a non-lethal bullet wound would stop someone in that state (all the more reason for preemptive flashbangs).

I feel that the first cop in perhaps should have had a tazer rather than a pistol, but then I'm not sure what he would do if the guy had turned the corner with a shotgun instead. That's a situation I don't care to be on either side of.

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>> ^reiwan:

>> ^volumptuous:
"Could have been" is not a very good justification for militarized police terrorizing citizens.

They go off of the information that they have, and their level of force they use is indicative of that. Hind sight is always 20/20. Drug dealers have lots of drugs. Drug dealers also have weapons. Nobody would be saying anything if this ended up being the largest drug bust in Columbia this year.


Hind sight is twenty twenty, especially when the state has to cover the cost of livestock.

You're taxes hard at work, go towards paying for their armory, and the cost of life that is directly or indirectly caused by the strong arm of the bureaucracy.

I want to see the search warrant; I bet you it isn't even correct.

Search warrant? Full tactical gear in the apparent dead of the night and you give them less than 30 seconds to answer the door...then come in guns blazing with women and children in the house...for a drug search. I guess we truly did lose our liberties, the fight to get them back is soon.

And you wonder why cops serving search warrants get wasted by a person in a home with a scatter gun; because of shit like this.

Any more information on this? Is there a copy of the search warrant, I assume that is a matter of public record.

Lastly let me say it; fucking pigs.

>> ^choggie:

Uhh, arrested for a thought crime?


The FBI does not just arrest anyone for nothing. If court finds that the FBI has enough evidence to arrest then they issue arrest warrants, and search warrants.

I bet the arrested are thankful that they are innocent until proven guilty.

All I have to say is that Bill Maher is fucking awesome. I've pretty much agreed with everything that he's ever said.

Bill Maher is using pretty much the exact words that I've been using about this whole stupid Gates controversy. There aren't enough details to know if it was anything racial. But one thing is perfectly clear: Gates got arrested at his own home for disorderly conduct after the police knew that he was the owner of the home.

http://www.masscriminaldefense.com/disorderly.htm
Here is the Massachusetts definition of disorderly conduct. There is a reason the police quickly dropped the charges. It's unheard of that someone could be arrested for disorderly conduct on his own front porch! It doesn't matter how many times he loudly and rapidly demanded the officer's badge number. Loudly demanding an officer's badge number is not illegal. Once the police know a crime is not being committed, Gates should have the right to tell them to fuck off and die. Gates should be able to go back into his house and the police should require a search warrant to enter.

Where do people get the idea that if he's being rude, he "deserves" it?!

Why are you assuming that I only feel this way about the government? I feel the exact same way about the criminally wealthy. Enron executives who steal money are no less sleazy than government officials who do the same.

I'm speaking out against the government, for one, because many people think their actions are sanctioned (whereas most already agree that the criminally wealthy's actions are not sanctioned). For two, I'm a lot more concerned with the government because they don't steal money by clever fraud schemes, or taking advantage of the under-informed, or backhanded actions - they walk in the front door with gun in hand and steal right in front of your face. Resistance is not an option, because the amount of violence is overwhelming.

To me, that is infinitely more scary. When I sleep at night, I don't fear a banker coming up with an elaborate fraud scheme to steal my savings, I fear someone kicking down my front door and robbing me at gunpoint. Knowing that they might have a "search warrant" doesn't help me sleep any better.

As Farhad2000 mentioned, 1/3 of every dollar in private healthcare ends up in the hands of someone who is gaming the system, and I believe it. They steal because they don't think we are equal, that they are entitled to the fruits of our labor because we are somehow different, below them. Private, non-governmental people who are rotten criminals, who managed to get in the position of stealing 30 cents of every healthcare dollar by lobbying rotten criminals in the legislature. They are, in effect, not only gaming us, but those in government as well - because their share is much larger than the bribes and lobby dollars the government officials receive.

What scares me, is you see this situation where private criminals are stealing billions of dollars, an undeniable situation; and what you propose is to replace these private criminals with public criminals. Public officials who are in an even easier position to steal billions of dollars, who have a vastly larger amount of physical violence at their disposal.

That is scary, and I don't think it solves anything.

In Mexico, the government decided to combat drug smuggling by clamping down on the borders and arresting leaders in the crime syndicate. The result? A violent power vacuum which resulted in ritualistic revenge killings, mass-beheadings, and the assassinations of several public figures. Then, when they couldn't earn money through smuggling, they turned to kidnapping. Instead of clandestine smuggling, the public now has to cope with over 500 kidnappings a month - many in broad daylight - where 1 in 7 kidnap victims are murdered. These types of people don't just quit, they find new ways to steal.

You create a power vacuum in the healthcare industry and what do you think is gonna happen, these criminals who have been stealing billions of dollars are just gonna retire, or better yet, go to college and decide to pursue a legitimate line of work? Get a degree and go to some job interviews? Give up a life stealing billions a year for 60 hours a week slaving in the ER? No, they will probably just run for office.

These people will never work for a living because they don't think we are equal.

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In summary ---

People were supposed to build shelter with three sides.
A search warrant could have been gotten if a judge ever thought it was important to invade privacy over this.
If the owners were in violation of shelter law, then they could be cited, maybe SPCA get involved then. Usually a judge would probably give you an order to comply by a certain date.

Instead SPCA gets a vet to come in and declare animals as ill to confiscate them.

All horse get sent to other farms where the horse thieves will end up keeping the horse when the owners cannot pay the stable fees and whatever else the SPCA tacks on the bill (shots, medicine, feed, etc). You have to repay that if you ever want to see horses again.

Yes, it's a felony to record a police officer in NH without their permission.

Finally, I still think you can video tape on your property with a notice sign posted... Not sure if they have 2-way consent laws. I wonder what happens if you have a security system and a cop comes to your house when you are not home.. That's probably a felony.

The neighboring farms of course lined up because they will get $$$$ for stealing horse. That's why they covered their license plates. (How is that legal?)

>> ^joedirt:
I only saw one bong and one glass of whiskey.
You know what's hilarious, a YT video of the inside of your house is probable cause for a search warrant.


Sure, Joe.

Spread that signature joi de vivre that you're known so well for.

I only saw one bong and one glass of whiskey.

You know what's hilarious, a YT video of the inside of your house is probable cause for a search warrant.

I think this video exposes a major truth about Columbine. The attack on the school had less to do with the Columbine culture and had everything to do with an arrest. This is major discovery. Thank you National Geographic. Someone finally got it right.
I work with the families of the dead and injured.
Donna Taylor, mother of Mark Taylor who took over 8 bullets,has been asking for this arrest for breaking into a van be investigated. Isn't it remarkable that there has been no post-Columbine investigation of the arrest that provoked the killers. Do your research. google "westword" click onto the columbine reader.
This video stops short of explaining what we think happened during the arrest that provoked the killers. A picture Eric Harris drew while under arrest may provide answers to what happened. He scribbled a picture on a map he was told to draw. It is page 10589 of the report. It is being seen as a cop molesting a kid.
Eric was expressing fits of rage as a consequence of his arrest and was placed on medication.
The Sheriff's dept was already back peddling by trying to cover-up the January Incident when they didn't serve the search warrant.
Donna and Mark are still asking for an investigation of the arrest.