For the record... SE7EN, The Game, Fight Club and Die Hard are all movies I've watched all the way through with commentary on. Yes.. I consider Die Hard one of the best movies ever made : p especially at the time.

...and David Fincher is a badass.

Your ideas are fascinating to me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

>> ^Drax:
Take a certain movie and slap a label on it "This is a guy movie.", "This is a chick flick." and you get these arguments. Now I have noticed that movies recently do get made with the idea of what audience they'll appeal to, and I think now a lot of work goes into figuring out the magical androgynous formula to pull both audiences together so everyone can go out after and talk about it over coffee or get laid (which ever just happens to be the most applicable scenario), but call me naive or whatever but I think there was a time where people just made movies and let them fall where they landed.
Here's some of my favorites, I guess most are guy flicks.. I dunno.. I just enjoy them. If a girl likes any of these too that's great, Id hope anyone can just approach a movie as "it's a movie", and keep an open mind.
Die Hard - Only the original. It's a freaking classic, not just a good action movie. So many little details worked out that there's a scene where you can see a whole sub-plot silently occurring based on one of the character's facial expressions. When Gruber puts the coke fiend on the radio to talk to McClane watch all of McClane's facial expressions.
Way of the Gun - This is another movie where entire conversations occur between characters without a word being spoken. The shoot out at the end is incredible and well thought out.
SE7EN - David Fincher at his best.
Aliens - Video games will never stop quoting from this movie (or stealing ideas from it). Can't wait for Avatar (no, not the cartoon).
The Hudsucker Proxy - One of the best comedies no one's seen.
Face / Off - Cheesy over the top in the best possible way. John Woo's best American movie IMO (Hard Boiled being his best period).
Event Horizon - Many don't like this flick, I loved it. The whole scientific concept of hell being this other place of pure chaos that this ship slipped into really drew me in.
I've got a ton more, but I'll stop here. Why do I like these movies? Because they're fun in some form or fashion.
And soon as Hollywood can get back to making movies that aren't based off something from 10-20 years ago I'll get back into being a movie buff.
Oh and PS, I SOOO Want to see Antichrist too. Looks like some really F'ed up horror.

Take a certain movie and slap a label on it "This is a guy movie.", "This is a chick flick." and you get these arguments. Now I have noticed that movies recently do get made with the idea of what audience they'll appeal to, and I think now a lot of work goes into figuring out the magical androgynous formula to pull both audiences together so everyone can go out after and talk about it over coffee or get laid (which ever just happens to be the most applicable scenario), but call me naive or whatever but I think there was a time where people just made movies and let them fall where they landed.

Here's some of my favorites, I guess most are guy flicks.. I dunno.. I just enjoy them. If a girl likes any of these too that's great, Id hope anyone can just approach a movie as "it's a movie", and keep an open mind.

Die Hard - Only the original. It's a freaking classic, not just a good action movie. So many little details worked out that there's a scene where you can see a whole sub-plot silently occurring based on one of the character's facial expressions. When Gruber puts the coke fiend on the radio to talk to McClane watch all of McClane's facial expressions.

Way of the Gun - This is another movie where entire conversations occur between characters without a word being spoken. The shoot out at the end is incredible and well thought out.

SE7EN - David Fincher at his best.

Aliens - Video games will never stop quoting from this movie (or stealing ideas from it). Can't wait for Avatar (no, not the cartoon).

The Hudsucker Proxy - One of the best comedies no one's seen.

Face / Off - Cheesy over the top in the best possible way. John Woo's best American movie IMO (Hard Boiled being his best period).

Event Horizon - Many don't like this flick, I loved it. The whole scientific concept of hell being this other place of pure chaos that this ship slipped into really drew me in.

I've got a ton more, but I'll stop here. Why do I like these movies? Because they're fun in some form or fashion.

And soon as Hollywood can get back to making movies that aren't based off something from 10-20 years ago I'll get back into being a movie buff.

Oh and PS, I SOOO Want to see Antichrist too. Looks like some really F'ed up horror.

Wow, just from the snippets of shots I've seen from this and now the trailer on IMDB I'm very curious to see this movie. Talking in terms of just the shots, as in purely the images, it has that David Fincher like look to it (SE7EN is still among my favorite movies... yes, I like happy movies too).

And why can't fiction just be fiction these days? Even if a director or writer is trying to sneak in some message, it doesn't mean you can't just appreciate a movie as purely a story. That -is- all it is after all. If it has any more power over you then that, it's because you gave that power to the movie.

Dunno, maybe I'll feel different after I've seen this, but that's my approach to going into a movie. Treat it like curling up with a new book.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
>> ^blankfist:
GHOSTBUSTERS: Three entrepreneurs have livelihood threatened by busybody bureaucrat at EPA.
SE7EN: Homicide detectives unable to prevent even a single murder by admitted serial killer, killer gives cop head.

You forgot Winston you racist. quality


GHOSTBUSTERS: Three entrepreneurs hire inner city black man, have livelihood threatened by busybody bureaucrat at EPA.

Better?

>> ^blankfist:
GHOSTBUSTERS: Three entrepreneurs have livelihood threatened by busybody bureaucrat at EPA.
SE7EN: Homicide detectives unable to prevent even a single murder by admitted serial killer, killer gives cop head.


You forgot Winston you racist. *quality

GHOSTBUSTERS: Three entrepreneurs have livelihood threatened by busybody bureaucrat at EPA.

SE7EN: Homicide detectives unable to prevent even a single murder by admitted serial killer, killer gives cop head.

SE7EN submissions for the contest.

http://www.videosift.com/video/username666-youtube-J-Horror

http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Zombeatles-A-Hard-Days-Night-of-the-Living-Dead

http://www.videosift.com/video/OMG-Brains

http://www.videosift.com/video/The-House-that-hands-out-Christian-Propaganda-on-Halloween

http://www.videosift.com/video/Baby-Laugh-A-Lot-Frightens-Me

http://www.videosift.com/video/Vintage-8m-Footage-of-the-Haunted-Mansion-1970

http://www.videosift.com/video/Nightmare-On-Elm-Street-Death-Compilation

http://www.videosift.com/video/Big-ass-shootout-Final-scene-from-The-Wild-Bunch
http://www.videosift.com/video/Kubricks-Paths-Of-Glory-Final-Scene
http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Flys-Final-Scene
http://www.videosift.com/video/Final-Scene-of-Cinema-Paradiso
http://www.videosift.com/video/BladeRunner-Roy-Batty-Final-Scene
http://www.videosift.com/video/Final-scene-from-Crimes-and-Misdemeanors
http://www.videosift.com/video/2001-A-Space-Odyssey-Final-Scene
http://www.videosift.com/video/Se7en-Final-Scene


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Oh, and as for the consensus view of Se7en- that it is far too horrible to ever be watched by a decent human being- I shared that view until quite recently when I viewed it again. It is redeemed somewhat by the quality of the performances of all the principle actors and the tight direction.

I would like to submit the horrifically bad Nicolas Cage 8mm as my idea of a movie that is so repulsive that it should have never been made.

I can see where you're coming from, totally. I suppose the one saving grace of the movie for me was that John Doe was in custody when the ending played out. At least I had a small sense of justice in that. And Morgan Freeman's character understood how deeply everyone had been played. The bad guy was fucking evil incarnate, but at least he got caught. I can see how that might not be enough for some. I guess I'm easy that way

In reply to this comment by dag:
I just found that the whole se7ven movie's purpose was to make you feel like shit by the time you see his wife's head in the box. I walked out of that movie utterly depressed. Sure the whole deadly sins thing was clever, but so contrived and just a means to an end that was utterly horrible.



In reply to this comment by smibbo:
(last comment, I swear) The thing is, the Kevin Spacey character in Se7en was hideously and evil and scary et al but at least he had a point to make. The killer in NCFOM? He has no point. None. He's just a scary, evil motherfucker. That's it. And that's not enough for me.

In reply to this comment by dag:
Your review makes me not want to see this movie. I dislike movies that are technically wonderful, (great perfomances, great story) but depress the hell out of me.

If I'm looking to get bummed out, there are cheaper methods than that. Red wine works for me.

I think the number 1 movie that was technically good but depressed me- would have to be "7" with Brad Pitt. Hate that movie.

and actually, NCFOM held me and Soupskin's attention the entire time. Believe me, we were RIVETTED by it. So much so that the credits had been rolling a while before we fully took in that it was over.

What I did miss, and I think this is bad direction/production is that Moss was dead. The camera showed it for all of a second (maybe) and I was supposed to deduce that fact from his clothes, being as he was one more body lying on the floor covered in blood?
I'm not stupid by any means, I'm not inattentive - especially during that movie - but I am nearsighted slightly and I COMPLETELY missed that Moss was dead. Thus perhaps the ending missed the mark for me a bit. I didn't know Carla Jean was a widow when she made her statment. She mentioned her mother dying and that was it. That's some crappy acting/direction right there. I "get" subtlty. I'm probably the only person in the whole bible belt who "got" "Jacob's Ladder" and rolled my eyes at how overdone the ending was (still in my top five of movies) so it's not that I "missed" the meaning. I just feel that the ending was not meaningful (as was the whole movie) it was thematic

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
-------Spoilers-------

NCFOM does have quite a bit of humor in it and isn't nearly as dark or gloomy as se7en. It plays as a tight little thriller for 2/3rds and then turns very real, which is a nice twist you don't see coming.

If you like Coen films like Blood Simple or Fargo, then this one shouldn't be a problem.

The meaning of the film is in the title, and this revelation is tossed at you very softly minutes before the abrupt end of the film, so don't blink or go to the bathroom.

------MAJOR SPOILER-------

The scary dude DOES get called on his pseudo masculine fatalist bullshit by the wife just before she is killed. She tells him that he is the one who makes the decision to murder, not coins or games. His mojo is thrown off, which results in a nasty car accident. I personally assume that the character recovers to kill again, but with out the glee and games of the past. In keeping with the title, I believe he becomes an old man in that scene, just like TLJ in the last hotel scene.

There is plenty of meaning in the film if you want to find it.

IMO, this is one of the best films of the year. It held my complete attention up until the very last scene, which I missed because I went to the bathroom.

-------Spoilers-------

NCFOM does have quite a bit of humor in it and isn't nearly as dark or gloomy as se7en. It plays as a tight little thriller for 2/3rds and then turns very real, which is a nice twist you don't see coming.

If you like Coen films like Blood Simple or Fargo, then this one shouldn't be a problem.

The meaning of the film is in the title, and this revelation is tossed at you very softly minutes before the abrupt end of the film, so don't blink or go to the bathroom.

------MAJOR SPOILER-------

The scary dude DOES get called on his pseudo masculine fatalist bullshit by the wife just before she is killed. She tells him that he is the one who makes the decision to murder, not coins or games. His mojo is thrown off, which results in a nasty car accident. I personally assume that the character recovers to kill again, but with out the glee and games of the past. In keeping with the title, I believe he becomes an old man in that scene, just like TLJ in the last hotel scene.

There is plenty of meaning in the film if you want to find it.

IMO, this is one of the best films of the year. It held my complete attention up until the very last scene, which I missed because I went to the bathroom.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

Don't get me wrong - I like dark movies. The above movies you listed had a sense of humor and a message beyond "lets see how completely disgustingly evil we can be" - which is how I see Se7en.

I'd like someone who liked Se7ven to explain that movie to me, and tell me what its message was. Because for me, it was just a gimmick around the seven deadly sins and increasingly despicable acts. Completely without soul, irony, or deeper message.

>> ^dag:
I think the number 1 movie that was technically good but depressed me- would have to be "7" with Brad Pitt. Hate that movie.

I guess you've never watched A Clockwork Orange or 1984 or Dr. Strangelove.

Se7en? bleeeach. Good acting? oh my lord. Spacey did some good stuff, but the direction and editing in that movie destroyed any other potentially good performances beyond recognition.

On the other hand, one of my closest friends, a serious movie buff, considers it one of the greatest movies ever. I don't get it. Just strikes me as self-indulgent bloodletting.