@shinyblurry

I have a concession, perhaps a confession to make. An admission if you will. I accept your thesis: every scientist on earth, more or less (except a few religiously devout who still see the truth for what it is) are lying, or they are caving to the pressure of their lying peers, or they have been duped somehow to lie to you. In reality the universe is about 10000 years old, give or take. But all these scientists are, for whatever reason, contributing deliberately or undeliberately to the false claim that the universe and earth is many orders of magnitude older, something like billions of years old. Its all lies. Just about every scientist for the last 200 years have been contributing to this lie, and alternative ideas are being supressed for some dogmatic reason.

Lets suppose all that is true.

Suppose that all these lies, published in peer-review, has been backed up by equally lying peers.

Fine.

I give you that point

I dont think its logical, in fact I think its an insane conspiracy theory, but nonetheless, I concede the entire point. Right now.

How about that shit, eh?

Theres just still one problem for creationism, and its fucking everywhere, its called EVIDENCE. Like maybe you are reading this on a smartphone, with a GPS in it. That GPS unit is communicating right now with 2 sattelites, in freaking ORBIT, triangulating your position right now. Thats some insane science at work right there, but actually thats not the crazy part: The crazy part is that it wouldnt work at all, unless the people who designed that GPS system understood Relativity. Thats right, Einsteinian freaking relativity. The satellites, and their speed relative to earth, would actually give the wrong postion if they relied on Newtons laws.

THOSE VERY SAME principles and knowledge actually is used to tell us how far away stuff in the universe is. some stuff are actually (As in your-GPS-can-ACTUALLY-tell-you-exactly-where-you-are kind of "actually")really fucking far atway, like billions of light-YEARS. which means the light left from other parts of the universe literally BILLIONS of years ago, before they reached our telescopes. Like Bill Nye explained, a smoke detector works on principles that we understand about the half-lives of atoms, again the same shit used to understand the age of fossils and shit we find in the ground. the LCD screen you are likely looking at is an innovation that comes from understanding wavelenghts of light, again used to measure the distance of galaxies that emitted light billions of years ago.

You dont have to trust scientists, most of the EVIDENCE is RIGHT FUCKING THERE, in front of you, in your pocket, in your hand, around your home, in every school, in every home, in every post office or courtroom, in the streets. ACTUAL REAL EVIDENCE, right there, PROVING, every second, that the universe is billions of years old.

Every scientist since Newton could be a lying sack of shit, all working on the same conspiracy, and it would mean fuck all, because the evidence speaks for itself.

The earth is definately NOT ten thousand years young.

enh... I wanted conspiracy, but this guy just googled "sattelite" streamed together all the pictures he found and put some creepy music behind it... just isn't that compelling. Not gonna downvote, but gonna abstain.

I like both channels, but they should be clearly defined, or as clearly as possible, so that there is minimal overlap.

Let's make wings everything that flies inside our atmosphere, planes, parachutes, even birds (perhaps), model plains, thrown dwarfs, and so on.

Spacy can be things related to the vastness of space, astronomy, sattelites, meteors and so on. Spacy can also include scientific videos about big bang, panspermea and the like.

Spacy right now has too broad a definition, and in my not-at-all humble opinion, we should refine it.

There could cleary be some overlap like the space shuttle or space tourism, but this doesn't matter.

I had to sit back and wait on this one; sattelite imagery is edited by the U.S. Gov. before release to the general public. So certain things like loadouts on US Naval ships, or the locations of power lines and some military bases, are systematically erased from the archives before they're sent out.

But the discussion definitely piqued my interest in these coordinate sites. Upvote for the comments!

is this a dupe...decice fer y' self, and working on this end, shall be sSpringfield, knockin' sattelites, outta the sky, the uplink bloweth...

http://www.videosift.com/video/Super-Mario-Theft-Auto