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>> ^Trancecoach:

Seems to me that the People need to vote with their dollars and stop, for example, buying Dominos Pizza, once they learn that it's profits support anti-gay campaigns, or Snapple once they learn that it's owned by Rush Limbaugh, and so on.>> ^Stormsinger:
Capitalism is virtually guaranteed to become state-sponsored, over the long run, especially in a democracy (or republic, there's little effective difference). When the government has no built-in opposition to the capitalist class, sooner or later, it gets bought.
The big question is how do you build in a negative feedback loop to limit the power of the oligarchs.


That's effectively the situation today...and we see how well that's been working. If it worked, this video wouldn't exist.


In order for that approach to be effective, it requires a change in normal human behavior...such that
many people would willingly inconvenience themselves for principles that don't immediately affect them.

If we can change human nature, we don't need any other answer. Let's just change it so capitalism (or communism, or objectivism) works well without regulation. They all work fine if those pesky humans would just do what the various Utopians think they should.

Seems to me that the People need to vote with their dollars and stop, for example, buying Dominos Pizza, once they learn that it's profits support anti-gay campaigns, or Snapple once they learn that it's owned by Rush Limbaugh, and so on.>> ^Stormsinger:

Capitalism is virtually guaranteed to become state-sponsored, over the long run, especially in a democracy (or republic, there's little effective difference). When the government has no built-in opposition to the capitalist class, sooner or later, it gets bought.
The big question is how do you build in a negative feedback loop to limit the power of the oligarchs.

>> ^longde:

really? I thought a key difference between high school and college was the utility (or lack of) of rote memorization. While you can breeze through HS with a good memory, college would require critical thinking.



Depends on what you take...according to Institute Professor Noam Chomsky a lot of Academics can't think critically at all, and are idiots. I've seen some in my time bouncing around colleges.

really? I thought a key difference between high school and college was the utility (or lack of) of rote memorization. While you can breeze through HS with a good memory, college would require critical thinking.>> ^Yogi:

>> ^longde:
I think maybe you mean "over-educated" people may lack common sense.
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^longde:
Define smart.>> ^Yogi:
Being really educated doesn't mean you're smart. That's the closest I'll come to agreeing with Rush Limbaugh...now please roll your fat ass off into the sunset.


Being over-educated
Capable of reasoning. Ask Neil deGrasse Tyson, even people who become doctors can be incompetent and dumb.


No I mean some of them lack the ability to reason and think creatively. They just memorize things well.

>> ^longde:

I think maybe you mean "over-educated" people may lack common sense.
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^longde:
Define smart.>> ^Yogi:
Being really educated doesn't mean you're smart. That's the closest I'll come to agreeing with Rush Limbaugh...now please roll your fat ass off into the sunset.


Being over-educated
Capable of reasoning. Ask Neil deGrasse Tyson, even people who become doctors can be incompetent and dumb.



No I mean some of them lack the ability to reason and think creatively. They just memorize things well.

I think maybe you mean "over-educated" people may lack common sense.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^longde:
Define smart.>> ^Yogi:
Being really educated doesn't mean you're smart. That's the closest I'll come to agreeing with Rush Limbaugh...now please roll your fat ass off into the sunset.


Being over-educated
Capable of reasoning. Ask Neil deGrasse Tyson, even people who become doctors can be incompetent and dumb.

>> ^longde:

Define smart.>> ^Yogi:
Being really educated doesn't mean you're smart. That's the closest I'll come to agreeing with Rush Limbaugh...now please roll your fat ass off into the sunset.



Being over-educated

Capable of reasoning. Ask Neil deGrasse Tyson, even people who become doctors can be incompetent and dumb.

EDIT: Actually Noam Chomsky talks about this a lot how academics have all this training and they don't know how to figure anything out. He said he admires car mechanics more because it's a lot of times a more creative thinking process.

Define "smart". To obtain a master's degree or any bachelor degree requires some nominal amount of discipline and intelligence.>> ^Yogi:

Being really educated doesn't mean you're smart. That's the closest I'll come to agreeing with Rush Limbaugh...now please roll your fat ass off into the sunset.

Being really educated doesn't mean you're smart. That's the closest I'll come to agreeing with Rush Limbaugh...now please roll your fat ass off into the sunset.

>> ^quantumushroom:

The flip side is liberals roaring that a woman is not to be judged for her potential lack of morality, but when she gets knocked up without being married, we 'all' have to pitch in and subsidize her irresponsibility.


If we want to live in a society where we care for one another and that works. Also a society where having children is something of value, than I wouldn't call it subsidizing irresponsibility. I would call that being a "village" in the old world sense where we chip in and work together.

If viagra is covered by insurance, I don't see why an IUD or the pill can't be.>> ^quantumushroom:

All right, Cenk. You claim the insurance companies WANT to pay for contraception? Then why do we need socialists to pass this law to MAKE them pay for it?
Harsh language aside, who is the mentioned women fooling about "expensive" contraception? Can't afford a pack of Trojans? She can't convince the (presumable) dude to buy and bring them along? Bullsh1t. I pay for my own chloroform, they can pay for the lingerie.
It's been pointed out that 'small-government' conservatives are hypocritically invading the bedroom, and some of that criticism is warranted.
The flip side is liberals roaring that a woman is not to be judged for her potential lack of morality, but when she gets knocked up without being married, we 'all' have to pitch in and subsidize her irresponsibility.

>> ^quantumushroom:

It's hard to build a Jenga of wit and whimsy off of your original mirth, "Woody".
>> ^acidSpine:
>> ^quantumushroom:
I'd rather live in a gayborhood than in the 'hood. And I'm against kids.
>> ^acidSpine:
>> ^quantumushroom:
This is the first time a lot of these men have ever heard anything straight from a father figure.

So I assume you'd be in favour of kids having two fathers?

Ahh ha ahh ha ahhhh, did your mum come up with that joke?

That's right, It's "Woodys'" fault your jokes sound like an octogenarian on oxycontin came up with them... Wait a minute... Is that you Rush Limbaugh?

Hey QM, I'll just respond to your quotes in order:

>>> As I reply in order.

-the old "white victimization by the race card" card. I don't buy it. Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, the Republican Party, and even Ron Paul have become quite successful stoking anti-black resentment. I don't see them suffering because of it, unless you count that only a tiny minority among blacks will listen to them as fallout.

>>> The mainstream media has done a far better job creating class resentment, than the handful of conservative commentators have stoking "anti-black resentment", which even if there is such a thing, is dwarfed by anti-liberal, anti-socialist, anti-big government sentiment.

I assure you, black people, and any people know the difference between piss and rain water. They know racism when they see it, context and all.

>>> Based on the government school education and biased media of the past 50 years, a rational, fact-filled discussion on identifying racism' is just not possible. There's a lot of money in playing the victim. We're going to have to disagree on this one.

-The largesse of the elite doesn't change the fact that the racial makeup of the 1% is white. It also doesn't change the fact that the 1% is greedy.

>>> The 1% is greedy? Compared to whom? Aren't Black professional athletes and entertainers in the 1%?

-My point is, if you are going to put up unflattering statistics and facts about blacks, don't whine when unflattering facts about white people are brought up. Goose Gander.

>>> We have a right to our own opinions, but not to our own facts, and the FACT is that compared to their percentage of the population, Black males commit far more crimes compared to a similar percentage of Whites. That the libmedia covers up these facts isn't doing anybody any favors.
Where were these unflattering facts about Whites? Besides Ron Paul newsletters?

-I thought your original point is that sifters don't care about/endorse black extremist sifts. It looks like the sifters don't feel threatened by that video, and are using it to demonstrate the guy's kookiness.

>>> But the response would be far different if the racial roles were reversed, wouldn't you say?

What does it mean if a handful of people don't walk out and even clap? Does it impugn every African American?

>>> Of course not. But even calling those dummies who stayed to listen to that guy 'dummies' would be met with cries of racism.

I think we've discussed on several threads now how Paul would endorse a society that openly tolerates racial discrimination. In the context of everything he has done to support and encourage racism, even if he claims to be an angel, the newsletters are very relevant.

>>> Ron Paul isn't endorsing racial discrimination. Isn't it odd that before the Civil Rights Movement, there had to be laws in place to ENFORCE segregation?

>>> To me, Dr. Paul's criticism about the abuses of power wrought by expanded government is valid.

As I posited earlier to Net, do you believe the only thing holding the system together--guiding the economic, religious and moral decisions of 300 million people--are a few recent laws on the books?











>> ^longde:

I think we've discussed on several threads now how Paul would endorse a society that openly tolerates racial discrimination. In the context of everything he has done to support and encourage racism, even if he claims to be an angel, the newsletters are very relevant.

Hey QM, I'll just respond to your quotes in order:

-the old "white victimization by the race card" card. I don't buy it. Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, the Republican Party, and even Ron Paul have become quite successful stoking anti-black resentment. I don't see them suffering because of it, unless you count that only a tiny minority among blacks will listen to them as fallout.

I assure you, black people, and any people know the difference between piss and rain water. They know racism when they see it, context and all.

-The largesse of the elite doesn't change the fact that the racial makeup of the 1% is white. It also doesn't change the fact that the 1% is greedy.

-My point is, if you are going to put up unflattering statistics and facts about blacks, don't whine when unflattering facts about white people are brought up. Goose Gander.

-I thought your original point is that sifters don't care about/endorse black extremist sifts. It looks like the sifters don't feel threatened by that video, and are using it to demonstrate the guy's kookiness. What does it mean if a handful of people don't walk out and even clap? Does it impugn every African American?>> ^quantumushroom:

Hey QM, thanks for taking the effort to respond. Now:
Black and white people clap differently? You're making my point for me. For some guy to speculate on racial differences--not racial inferiority or superiority--doesn't make him a racist.

>>> It's fair to say that when a White non-liberal even mentions race, no matter the context, s/he's a racist. That's just the way it is. FOX be damned, liberals still run the mainstream media and that's their M.O.

On the second quote, "white folks greed", yeah that's a racist quote. Given the setup of America, whose oligarchy is dominated by white people, I think it's accurate.
>>> How much money has "the oligarchy" spent on the war on poverty? 5 trillion. What percentage of that money has gone to directly aid Blacks, who make up only 13%-14% of the American population?
But it's racist all the same. But if this is racist, then posting those crime statistics of African American youth, as you often do, is racist as well.
Facts is facts, however unpleasant. You would think those that are trying to fix the problems would be grateful for accurate data. They might even see the fall of the Black family unit coinciding 'somehow' with the rise of the welfare state.
Where are the sifts demanding white people be destroyed? I guess I missed those.
http://videosift.com/video/Exterminate-White-People-Off-of-th
e-Face-of-the-Planet
>>> Yeah, he's likely a lone kook, but why aren't people walking out?