@ChaosEngine

I fully agree with you that rape/sexual assault is a bigger problem (in magnitude and frequency) than false accusations. And that being an actual victim of sexual assault would be worse than being falsely accused of sexual assault, although it seems a bit pointless to debate the relative extent of how much these things could fuck up lives when they are both horrendous.

That being said, there's a reason that presumption of innocence and requiring proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt are the law of the land. And assuming that we follow through on those things (which I think we largely do), that's all well and good. BUT, that's all pretty strictly just in the legal realm.

False accusations of sexual assault don't need to get as far as the actual legal system to seriously fuck up a person's life. Employers, partners, friends ... these connections might choose to sever ties without requiring the same rigorous proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt that the legal system does.

As much as I personally tend to believe Ford as opposed to Kavanaugh, I think that given the span of time since the incident it is nigh on impossible to prove that her version of events is true beyond a reasonable doubt. On the other hand, the hearing put his current demeanor and partisan/biased attitude on blatant display in a way that seemed to me should be disqualifying with regards to the sort of standards we require for Supreme Court Justices. Apparently the GOP disagrees, and we can hold them to account for that at the ballot box.

That's rather cold comfort given that Justices serve for life. There'd be some constitutional crisis drama if Agent Orange gets removed from office as a result of some proof-beyond-a-reasonable-doubt of misdeeds. Robert Kennedy's quote about the ancient Chinese curse "may you live in interesting times" seems apropos. Things have been entirely too "interesting" for my taste for the past 2 years...

All physical evidence aside (and I'm not trying to discount the value of the physical evidence as an indication either way of who killed JFK) I think it's telling that the very first thing Robert Kennedy did when he learned of his brother's death was call CIA director John McCone directly and ask "Did you do this?" This was not some deranged conspiracy theorist - this was JFK's own brother and the Attorney General of the United States, and his FIRST reaction was to confront the CIA about the assassination. Yikes.

And this was really the way you think a government would do it? First rig up buildings with explosives in secret without anyone knowing, then somehow get people to agree to be suicide pilots of planes, then have those planes be passenger planes so that they are not just killing the people in the buildings but those in the planes, and then have them be piloted into the buildings, and then demolish the buildings with explosives.


Really?


You really think they would do this? I know the governments do some seriously horrible shit, and that the attack on Irag was not driven by trying to get anyone remotely connected to 9/11... but you really think that the US government would create something this convoluted when there are plenty of simpler ways to create a reason to attack another country and make your populous afraid of an unseen bogeyman.

The problem with conspiracy theorists is that even blatant facts that kill their suppositions are treated as merely 'bogus information from the man' and discounted, whereas utter drivel masquerading as science that agrees with them is lovingly circulated ad nauseum.


>> ^NobleOne:
^ Spoco2: why is it so unbelievable really? Has there never been government conspiracies or secrets? In your context of your argument the Government never killed Kennedy even after coming up with the idea of backing money to silver, pulling out of Vietnam, or dis-banding the CIA... Though i am sure it was one shooter with one bullet that went all nimbly bimbly bouncing around the car and pushing Kennedy back and to the left. That was how long ago and we still don't know all the facts on it.... I am sure as shit not that naive to think it was one guy from a 3rd floor book depository with a bolt action rifle... or the coincidences that Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and Robert Kennedy were all killed within the same time frame... Or how about over throwing the Shah in Iran or the contras in Nicaragua.... Man the list is overwhelming.... Trillions of dollars in Oil will make people do i am sure just about anything....

^ Spoco2: why is it so unbelievable really? Has there never been government conspiracies or secrets? In your context of your argument the Government never killed Kennedy even after coming up with the idea of backing money to silver, pulling out of Vietnam, or dis-banding the CIA... Though i am sure it was one shooter with one bullet that went all nimbly bimbly bouncing around the car and pushing Kennedy back and to the left. That was how long ago and we still don't know all the facts on it.... I am sure as shit not that naive to think it was one guy from a 3rd floor book depository with a bolt action rifle... or the coincidences that Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and Robert Kennedy were all killed within the same time frame... Or how about over throwing the Shah in Iran or the contras in Nicaragua.... Man the list is overwhelming.... Trillions of dollars in Oil will make people do i am sure just about anything....

Ahh, July in Nevada. These were the last US above ground tests and you might recognize Robert Kennedy as a witness.

...don't need no ticket, just get on board....

In reply to this comment by MycroftHomlz:
LMAO.. just reiterating my original position I see. I am glad to someone else is on my John Stossel is a Douchebag train.

In reply to this comment by CaptWillard:
Good God, John Stossel is a douchebag! I will neither upvote or downvote this. Did I mention John Stossel is a douchebag? It never hurts to mention it more than once. Or a million times.

Did you write that first? I probably read it, then unconsciously wrote it when I was watching that video. Or it's possible that whenever anyone thinks of John Stossel, "douchebag" is the natural thing to first pop into your head. I dunno.

In reply to this comment by MycroftHomlz:
LMAO.. just reiterating my original position I see. I am glad to someone else is on my John Stossel is a Douchebag train.

In reply to this comment by CaptWillard:
Good God, John Stossel is a douchebag! I will neither upvote or downvote this. Did I mention John Stossel is a douchebag? It never hurts to mention it more than once. Or a million times.

LMAO.. just reiterating my original position I see. I am glad to someone else is on my John Stossel is a Douchebag train.

In reply to this comment by CaptWillard:
Good God, John Stossel is a douchebag! I will neither upvote or downvote this. Did I mention John Stossel is a douchebag? It never hurts to mention it more than once. Or a million times.

MycroftHomlz. You mentioned "you read that paper" which were you refering to ?
certaintly not the Robert Kennedy piece in Rollingstone because it had nothing to do with Wakefield.
Deadly Immunity
by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. it investigates the government cover-up of a mercury/autism scandal
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/

and it most certainly was "not" retracted.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/7483530/kennedy_report_sparks_controversy

it seems a tad hypocrtical that you both don't apply the same level of scrutiny to the agencies who have advanced the "perfectness" of vacines that you are repeating.

MycroftHomlz you mentioned you'd watch the video and tell me what you disagreed with. I'm looking forward to your comments.

He reminds me a little of the performing the role Kenneth O'Donnell played for Robert Kennedy (who Kevin Costner played in Thirteen Days)

Very interesting. He can certainly spin an idiot into someone who meant well and deserves another chance! Not for me, I hasten to add!

oh, and my reply post to your Atari Teenage Riot post is here; http://www.videosift.com/video/Robert-Kennedy-averts-riots-in-Indianapolis-night-MLK-died


In reply to your comment:
“Congratulations on your star. ”

As Attorney General, Robert Kennedy helped write and sign the directives asking for FBI surveilance of Dr. King... an odd note for the history buffs.

I forgot to say that this was a response post to djsunkid's post here;
http://www.videosift.com/video/Atari-Teenage-Riot-earns-their-name-Soundtrack-to-a-riot

This is accurate Gorgonheap, the video was recently released by George Jeffries who had kept it because he thought it offered nothing new on the case. People need to realize that any and all evidence is important in an investigation.

Especially when it comes to the assassination of the US president under the most dubious historical conditions. Oh it wasn't just JFK... Martin Luther King... Robert Kennedy.... Guess we will have to wait until the 2020 was it? When the records become declassified?

I think it's time for citizens to do their duty. Pick up arms against this tyranical goverment.

Like why are so many great president's slain (John F Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Lincoln but am not counting Reagen) but this one allows to exist? But then again he's like a puppet ruler, you have to go for those behind him...

"At least in ancient Rome incompetent political leaders got killed much more frequently..."

You know I often wondered about this too, why is that in mordern history the only times assasins struck presidents is when we had someone capable; Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy (candidate but still counts, though am not really counting Ronald Reagen).

I mean thinking about what has happened in terms of geopolitics, how could the USA ever recover the trust of the international forum? Especially after that stunt at the UN High Security Council?

Whoever comes after Bush will retain a goverment that has little credibility worldwide, a large deficit, 2 probably on going conflicts and a whole region destabalized, rampant spending in the military industrial complex and scant spending on basic social initiatives. Frankly if I was a politician I wouldn't want to be the next to be running.