^mkknyr: She's not in this video, but right before the election she was harping on about the impending American fascism, how she was convinced the Republicans were going to rig the election, use the American military to quell the uprising on American soil, impose martial law. She drew a direct comparison to October 1, 2008 in America to February, 1933 in Germany. Basically, she was trafficking in fear; she certainly had me afraid.
http://www.videosift.com/video/Interview-Naomi-Wolf-Give-Me-Liberty



Thanks.

Yeah, she's one of the many nutjobs who "predicted" the financial crisis. There are two problems with that: 1. At any given times there are endless numbers of people predicting financial crises, generally for different reasons aligned with whichever fringe ideology they prefer. 2. If you look at her other predictions, as a general rule, they're dead wrong, as shown in that video.

Reality is, unfortunately, much more prosaic than our wildest imaginations.

I assume that after being so wrong, she's learned 0% of her lesson, same as all the figures whose predictions about Iraq were worthless (and who are still on TV, same as her). Down the memory hole, I suppose.

>> ^chilaxe:
>> ^mkknyr:
Wow. Never thought I'd hear the same argument coming from Naomi Wolf and Glenn Beck.

I didn't see Naomi Wolf in this video. I'm curious, where does Wolf make these arguments?


She's not in this video, but right before the election she was harping on about the impending American fascism, how she was convinced the Republicans were going to rig the election, use the American military to quell the uprising on American soil, impose martial law. She drew a direct comparison to October 1, 2008 in America to February, 1933 in Germany. Basically, she was trafficking in fear; she certainly had me afraid.

http://www.videosift.com/video/Interview-Naomi-Wolf-Give-Me-Liberty

Fixed.

And imstellar, Irishman's comment got my downvote because it was content-free, aside from what was obviously meant as a slur.

I gave your "fuck democracy" message the downvote it deserves, because I was strongly offended by you using objectivist bullshit to mount an assault on democracy, which so many people have died to bring about and protect.

I'm not defending your, or Irishman's straw man about socialism.

Learn to be somewhat moderate, because to you asshats, every government on this planet is socialist.

Mount a revolution if you feel like it's slavery to pay taxes toward programs that benefit everyone. Don't expect help from me.

Democracy gives you an equal voice to stop that from happening. Technically, voting could end democracy -- France voted Napoleon emperor once upon a time.

Conservatives are in a world of hurt in this country, and it's only going to get worse for you guys if Obama makes his "socialism" or "good governance" work (assuming some anti-collectivists haven't rigged the election, that is).

Don't worry, if you're right, it's going to be a crushing failure, and people will surely make Ron Paul president then.

Sorta like how I knew in 2004 that Bush's reelection meant that in 2008 Democrats would sweep into full control of government, or that democracy itself had been subverted.

Jury's still out, but I've got less than 2 weeks to go before I find out which one it is.

I'll be spending the evening of the 4th in a tinfoil pup tent too, though in a lot of ways, I don't think this will be an easy election to steal.

In each the 2000 and 2004 elections, everything came down to just one Republican-run state -- and that was known going into the election night.

This time it'd require 7-8 simultaneous rigged state elections. Not impossible, but not likely, given that at least half of the swing states have Democratic governors...and we only need to win one.

I'm feeling good about Ohio on a gut-level, and on an analytical level I'm feeling good about Virginia and Colorado. Polling is also showing a major swing to Obama in Florida, but that's almost too good for me to believe is true.

With Florida, Obama could lose Pennsylvania, and every other swing state and 1 EV from Maine and still have a 269-269 tie (which he'd come out winning).

>> ^Constitutional_Patriot:
Those of you that would always claim that thousands of people couldn't form a conspiracy because someone would spill the beans - needs to see this and read the book (which shows some of the evidence).


Damn straight. People can keep secrets and they have done so throughout history.

And there are ways to employ people to be a part of conspiracy without them every knowing it, just as the military often has projects compartmentalized so that 100 people can be working on a project, but none of them really know what that project is.

I think that happend on 9/11.

Also, any programmer can tell you that it would be a piece of cake to rig an election as long as you didn't let anybody see your source code, which is what Diebold did.

is anyone else wondering why we never heard any big political smoking gun stories about this? I mean they can and clearly did rig an election... And what exactly has been done between then and now to prevent it from happening again?

Republican strategist Ralph Reed? I with they'd be more accurate and call him NeoCon Strategist.

Here's a bit of some of his "strategy":

In the spring of 1983, Reed was accused of rigging the election of ally Sam Harben as his successor as president of the College Republicans at the University of Georgia. Promising a keg party, Reed recruited a number of new "members" to vote in the election, submitting their membership paperwork on the last night before the deadline for the election. The defeated presidential candidate, Lee Culpepper, wrote to the College Republican National Committee calling the election a sham. The CRNC investigated the matter, reprimanded Reed and ordered a new election. However, in the meantime, Culpepper "led an angry exodus" out of the UGA College Republicans and into a newly formed Young Republicans of Clarke County club. Harben admitted later, "We ran a dirty election."

... meanwhile, Diebold's plan B for rigging the election was not quite as successful ...

I can't wait for the day that politicians aren't technophobes and can hire companies that will do the job right the first time. 100 lines of code for a $var++, sure, but that's SUCH a small part of the issue. Encryption of transfers, written data, memory, detailed and possibly remote checksummed logging, all of that needs to be part of it, and probably more that a proper security guru would know.

As for those of you that think it's a sick joke, I seriously doubt it. I too know how easy it would be for them to rig an election in this way.