Ah. You clearly don't know me. I was being polite

Although I would like at least some semblance of journalism, following up leads, etc. That is a pet peeve of mine.

Did you miss the "are you shitting me"? That was me not being polite.




Post-article?loadcomm=1#comment-1325217'>^@DarkenRahl:




No, he doesn't. What he does is try and increase doubt to a level that becomes a passive ad hominem attack. Then he hopes that either he's proven right or the discussion dies before he's proven wrong. Either way his assumptive crap has changed at least your mind, which is unfortunate.
Assuming facts not in evidence, your honor.
>> ^bareboards2:
@Winstonfield_Pennypacker, you raise some good points. I would be interested in hearing directly from the husband, also.
What you are ignoring, however, is how it is implied she is having an affair with a co-OWS. At the choice of language used by Fox and Friends (I couldn't link that, I recommend clicking through and listening to how she is portrayed on that show.) She is "disgusting"?
I love reasonableness. However, you are ignoring the unreasonableness of the original report. "Subject to outbursts"? Are you shitting me? She isn't trained in dealing with the media, trained to tamp down a natural response to being attacked like she was.

No, he doesn't. What he does is try and increase doubt to a level that becomes a passive ad hominem attack. Then he hopes that either he's proven right or the discussion dies before he's proven wrong. Either way his assumptive crap has changed at least your mind, which is unfortunate.

Assuming facts not in evidence, your honor.

>> ^bareboards2:

@Winstonfield_Pennypacker, you raise some good points. I would be interested in hearing directly from the husband, also.
What you are ignoring, however, is how it is implied she is having an affair with a co-OWS. At the choice of language used by Fox and Friends (I couldn't link that, I recommend clicking through and listening to how she is portrayed on that show.) She is "disgusting"?
I love reasonableness. However, you are ignoring the unreasonableness of the original report. "Subject to outbursts"? Are you shitting me? She isn't trained in dealing with the media, trained to tamp down a natural response to being attacked like she was.

What you are ignoring, however, is how it is implied she is having an affair with a co-OWS.

I'm not entirely sure of the timeline, but at the time of the F&F broadcast there appeared to be rumors that was the case. So it can be said that F&F didn't do the due diligence to get the truth of it before flapping thier yaps. All they knew was this chick 'left' her family to stay in an OWS tent city with a strange man.

"Subject to outbursts"? Are you ****ting me? She isn't trained in dealing with the media, trained to tamp down a natural response to being attacked like she was

If I wanted to go to some event 'thing' then I would bloody well make sure in advance that my wife, kids, and other close family/friends were aware of what I was up doing. I'd have had a schedule, a map, a budget, a place to stay, money, and supplies. I'd have had a solid 'I'm done' day my spouse was well aware of so she wouldn't worry. And if something came up, I'd ditch the event instantly and go home because that's where parents/spouses belong. To me the most damning thing in this whole story is that Hippie-Chick McProtest is still in NYC. A normal person who isn't an idiot doesn't stay to hang around a bunch of strangers when her family is having a situation.

Because this is how NORMAL people roll. We make sure our spouses are cool before we go anywhere. We don't do stupid things that give the wrong impressions. If someone accuses us of something fishy, the first thing we do is go back to their family to make sure things are OK. It is called common sense. When a NORMAL person gets confronted with a report that they have abandoned thier family they have the truth and facts on thier side to give them everything they need to respond with the trained aplomb of an expert. Something like...

"I deny the false reports and misrepresentations of my behavior. I have not abandoned my family. I planned this event in advance, with my spouse's approval, and I have taken all precautions to care for my family in my temporary absence. Any reports that suggests otherwise are either misinformed or false. I can provide you with the contact information for my spouse, friends, and other individuals who are well aware of my intentions and can verify my statements."

I frankly find it very strange that we have not heard one peep from the husband. Neither have we heard from neighbors, co-workers, or whatever. The only articles I've seen from people that know her say she's a flaky hippie-wannabe. And the "Waiter" sure didn't do her any favors with his stupid response. He might as well have said, "Yeah - she's 'keeping me warm' nights!"

@Winstonfield_Pennypacker, you raise some good points. I would be interested in hearing directly from the husband, also.

What you are ignoring, however, is how it is implied she is having an affair with a co-OWS. At the choice of language used by Fox and Friends (I couldn't link that, I recommend clicking through and listening to how she is portrayed on that show.) She is "disgusting"?

I love reasonableness. However, you are ignoring the unreasonableness of the original report. "Subject to outbursts"? Are you shitting me? She isn't trained in dealing with the media, trained to tamp down a natural response to being attacked like she was.

I don't see here is any real denying that she's (A) left her family to (B) hang out with a bunch of hippies. 'Left' doesn't mean she has divorced or seperated. It just means she's out doing an activity. Families do things like that all the time, and as long as the husband is on-board with it, supportive, and things have been arranged to have been taken care of while she's gone then fine. What's the problem?

However - what if the husband WASN'T exactly on board with this? What if she just told him "I'm going" and then upped and took off without making arrangements or otherwise taking the steps to make sure her kids were looked after? What if she just really wanted to go be part of this OWS thing, ran out the door, and expected other people to pick up the slack 'indefinitely' as she puts it? I'd say that's quite another story, and I would also agree with F&F that a person who does such a thing is scum. Family comes first.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/she_plans_to_stray_awhile_opuo0dDOjE39dfRDdUZ1sM

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/awol_fla_mom_off_wall_39RPeFcS8xHypyOrCbeh4I

None of the news I've seen so far has obtained the words of the husband. All references to him and the kids are second or third-hand "they said" kind of stuff. I'd be interested to have someone in the media talk to the husband and get his official story about what happened. The interviews with this woman don't inspire confidence in her reasoning capabilities. She seems high-strung, combative, highly emotional, and subject to outbursts. I'd rather get the opinion of someone a bit more steady. Maybe she's right. Maybe she's full of crap. I don't know. What's the husband got to say? The only quote I've seen of his says that he is "puzzled". That doesn't exactly tell me what he really thinks, whether they planned this, or whether he is supportive or not. It implies that he doesn't really have any interest in OWS, but not much else.

I never liked him, I worked for Apple in the mid 90's and Apple is worse than Convergence, he rewarded people that worked 90+ hours a week and if one of them happen to doze off he would go into major rages and fire them publicly in front of everyone. He had major problem with anger in the office.

That movie pirates of silicon valley was dead on how Steve was in real life. It led to him being fired by the board but he did return of course and after his firing he cooled down a bit.

I worked there for 3 years and saw a couple of his major rage outbursts publicly firing several for not meeting a deadline, yelling, cursing and throwing his patented Steve fits.

Overall he was a nice guy, but I swear he was bipolar.

I left on my own when I had to move due to financial issues and wound up moving to easy coast and working for Mythic before they were bought by EA games then was part of the massive layoffs by EA.

EA is the real devil

>> ^Skeeve:

1. No, you're missing the point. Being "the source of some good" is not reason enough to support them. If we all followed that logic we should have supported the Soviet Union because they were less sexist than the USA, or the Nazis because they started the first anti-smoking campaigns. Because an organization does something good does not excuse them from the harm they do. There are a plethora of animal welfare associations that do not have blood on their hands. Support them, not PETA.
2. Thanks for the outburst in your last sentence. You prove the long-standing belief that PETA supporters would rather murder a human than see animals disrespected.
3. As I have just invoked Godwin's Law I will refrain from further discussion, good day.
>> ^Yogi:

Again Fuck Off. You don't know shit and you haven't done any fucking research about how many animals have been tortured and killed. Animal testing has done good things as well...THATS A SHADE OF FUCKING GRAY LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT!
You're just a moron painting them with one fucking brush...like all their supporters and even members agree with everything they do. I know plenty of people who have worked at PETA and they never agreed with everything they do but they have been a source of some good and have brought the plight of animal torture and maiming to the forefront of public debate.
If you can't understand these BASIC FUCKING CONCEPTS Than I will just fucking Kill you! I WILL FUCKING EAT YOUR HEART!



Finally someone who knows how to Fuck Off.

1. No, you're missing the point. Being "the source of some good" is not reason enough to support them. If we all followed that logic we should have supported the Soviet Union because they were less sexist than the USA, or the Nazis because they started the first anti-smoking campaigns. Because an organization does something good does not excuse them from the harm they do. There are a plethora of animal welfare associations that do not have blood on their hands. Support them, not PETA.

2. Thanks for the outburst in your last sentence. You prove the long-standing belief that PETA supporters would rather murder a human than see animals disrespected.

3. As I have just invoked Godwin's Law I will refrain from further discussion, good day.
>> ^Yogi:


Again Fuck Off. You don't know shit and you haven't done any fucking research about how many animals have been tortured and killed. Animal testing has done good things as well...THATS A SHADE OF FUCKING GRAY LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT!
You're just a moron painting them with one fucking brush...like all their supporters and even members agree with everything they do. I know plenty of people who have worked at PETA and they never agreed with everything they do but they have been a source of some good and have brought the plight of animal torture and maiming to the forefront of public debate.
If you can't understand these BASIC FUCKING CONCEPTS Than I will just fucking Kill you! I WILL FUCKING EAT YOUR HEART!

Kindness to babies and little children is always a good idea.

We can argue about the details and cause and effect.

And yes, my father did something very close to this. My mother took the pictures. They were in the family album. I grew up seeing the pictures and everyone laughing about how cute I was as the pictures progressed from happy to confused and scared. There was no one around who stood back and said -- hey, that is fucked up. You don't do that to a little kid.

So here I am now. Saying it. And I am motivated to say it, as you might imagine. This isn't theoretical to me.

It is fucked up to do that to a little kid.

Those fathers who have posted here and said -- yeah, if my child were distressed, I would stop -- they get it. Good for them.

Will every baby and small child who gets teased like this turn out to be "emotional"? By that, I assume you mean being quick to identify and express their emotions in an emotional way. Not all will, you're correct. Some will repress their emotions, be uncomfortable with emotions, and attempt to suppress others from expressing their emotions.

And some will grow up just fine, neither quick to express nor quick to suppress.

All I am saying is.... Show kindness. Understand that babies and small children are not complicated thinkers. Their worlds are different and more simple.


>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

@bareboards2 Your father did this exact thing to you? Even if he did, your emotional outbursts could be the result of any number of things, really - or even the result of nothing at all. Some people are just emotional.

Is OK.. Like I said, I didn't mean to post this to hurt anybodys feelings. Maybe I am naive to think that nobody would make a baby cry on purpose. One thing that ticks me off here is people saying that the dad must be a mean because he has stretched earlobes. I do not like extreme body modifications like that myself, but having them doesn't make you a bad or mean person.

I know my parents didn't scare me as a kid, and my dad was the most wonderful person ever, and he died when I was 18. I had a happy childhood, my parents were great, and still I ended up being pretty much totally fucked up: I am insecure, I keep my distance, I am grumpy, scared of way too many things, and I get easily obsessed with things like VS, or WOW. And that's just the top of the iceberg! I am lucky to have found my DH NetRunner who puts up with my weirdness and loves me no matter what.

I do not know why I ended up this way. Maybe if I had been scared with a 'muhahaha' as a baby I would have grown up to be less afraid of silly things. Who knows. I think I was being kept too safe as a kid and the real life scared the crap out of me.

Every kid grows up different. I still think this dad didn't mean to make his kid cry. Unfortunaterly he did, but I am sure the kid will be OK. This dad is not going to torture his kid even if he has stretched lobes!

OK, probably time for another drink now.. I was not going to comment on this.. I just want to sift silly, mindless videos that make people happy. Most of the time.



1259068'>^bareboards2:

Look guys, my father did this to me.
And yeah, now years later I have emotional outbursts.
But go ahead and jump on me, downvote my comments, upvote the comments that take me to task. Just like I said you would. That doesn't make me a victim. It shows how smart I am. I'm predictable? So are you, my friends, so are you.
Just... when you get to be fathers and mothers, please remember this unpleasant comment stream and how annoying I am. And then -- Please. Do. Not. Tease. Your. Babies. For. Your. Own. Amusement.
Or they might grow up just like me. You don't want that now, do you? That is devotedly to be wished, right?
Show kindness. Understand that babies and small children are not complicated thinkers. Their worlds are different and more simple.
Show kindness, that is all I am saying.
Sorry, again, mint. I know this isn't much fun. I'm not enjoying it either. I did have two glasses of wine, like you suggested. They clearly didn't help.

@bareboards2 Your father did this exact thing to you? Even if he did, your emotional outbursts could be the result of any number of things, really - or even the result of nothing at all. Some people are just emotional.

Look guys, my father did this to me.

And yeah, now years later I have emotional outbursts.

But go ahead and jump on me, downvote my comments, upvote the comments that take me to task. Just like I said you would. That doesn't make me a victim. It shows how smart I am. I'm predictable? So are you, my friends, so are you.

Just... when you get to be fathers and mothers, please remember this unpleasant comment stream and how annoying I am. And then -- Please. Do. Not. Tease. Your. Babies. For. Your. Own. Amusement.

Or they might grow up just like me. You don't want that now, do you? That is devotedly to be wished, right?

Show kindness. Understand that babies and small children are not complicated thinkers. Their worlds are different and more simple.

Show kindness, that is all I am saying.

Sorry, again, mint. I know this isn't much fun. I'm not enjoying it either. I did have two glasses of wine, like you suggested. They clearly didn't help.

does bareboards ever not have an emotional outburst? it doesn't really seem to matter what the video is about.

Fair enough. That is your opinion.

"Goodbye."

>> ^UsesProzac:

I call the ninja edits cowardice and a lack of conviction and I find it more damning than if you kept your "outbursts" there for the world to see.
>> ^bareboards2:
I'm just curious -- did anybody actually go look at those examples of my horridness towards blankie? Does anyone other than UP and blankie think that I wrote anything really off base, wrong, or inaccurate?
I have actually written much worse things than the two examples blankie happened to dredge up. Things that were actually calling people names and hurtful.
And the fact that I have shame and do remove things I have written in the heat of the moment? I think that speaks well of my character, rather than the reverse.
You can call that "hiding my tracks" or you can call that remorse and an attempt to remove offensive material so it won't hurt anyone anymore.
I am quick to apologize, and I apologize sincerely. If I have done something wrong.

I call the ninja edits cowardice and a lack of conviction and I find it more damning than if you kept your "outbursts" there for the world to see.

>> ^bareboards2:

I'm just curious -- did anybody actually go look at those examples of my horridness towards blankie? Does anyone other than UP and blankie think that I wrote anything really off base, wrong, or inaccurate?
I have actually written much worse things than the two examples blankie happened to dredge up. Things that were actually calling people names and hurtful.
And the fact that I have shame and do remove things I have written in the heat of the moment? I think that speaks well of my character, rather than the reverse.
You can call that "hiding my tracks" or you can call that remorse and an attempt to remove offensive material so it won't hurt anyone anymore.
I am quick to apologize, and I apologize sincerely. If I have done something wrong.