The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
of the big lake they called "Gitche Gumee."
The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead
when the skies of November turn gloomy.
With a load of iron ore twenty-six thousand tons more
than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty,
that good ship and true was a bone to be chewed
when the "Gales of November" came early.

The ship was the pride of the American side
coming back from some mill in Wisconsin.
As the big freighters go, it was bigger than most
with a crew and good captain well seasoned,
concluding some terms with a couple of steel firms
when they left fully loaded for Cleveland.
And later that night when the ship's bell rang,
could it be the north wind they'd been feelin'?

The wind in the wires made a tattle-tale sound
and a wave broke over the railing.
And ev'ry man knew, as the captain did too
'twas the witch of November come stealin'.
The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
when the Gales of November came slashin'.
When afternoon came it was freezin' rain
in the face of a hurricane west wind.

When suppertime came the old cook came on deck sayin'.
"Fellas, it's too rough t'feed ya."
At seven P.M. a main hatchway caved in; he said,
"Fellas, it's bin good t'know ya!"
The captain wired in he had water comin' in
and the good ship and crew was in peril.
And later that night when 'is lights went outta sight
came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Does any one know where the love of God goes
when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
The searchers all say they'd have made Whitefish Bay
if they'd put fifteen more miles behind 'er.
They might have split up or they might have capsized;
they may have broke deep and took water.
And all that remains is the faces and the names
of the wives and the sons and the daughters.

Lake Huron rolls, Superior sings
in the rooms of her ice-water mansion.
Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams;
the islands and bays are for sportsmen.
And farther below Lake Ontario
takes in what Lake Erie can send her,
And the iron boats go as the mariners all know
with the Gales of November remembered.

In a musty old hall in Detroit they prayed,
in the "Maritime Sailors' Cathedral."
The church bell chimed 'til it rang twenty-nine times
for each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald.
The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
of the big lake they call "Gitche Gumee."
"Superior," they said, "never gives up her dead
when the gales of November come early!"

>> ^probie:

>> ^budzos:
There's the sound of a guy-wire being slapped with a stick when the sabers touch too.

Yep, used to do this as a kid growing up in SoCal.
A bit unrelated to lightsabers, but years ago I was driving west on a highway through Ontario and I heard the sound of TIE fighters passing my truck. Turns out it was the 18-wheelers going eastbound on the divided highway across from me. The acoustics must have been just right as I haven't heard it produced "naturally" since then.


i heard it was an elephant sound mixed with 18-wheelers driving in the rain

>> ^budzos:

There's the sound of a guy-wire being slapped with a stick when the sabers touch too.


Yep, used to do this as a kid growing up in SoCal.

A bit unrelated to lightsabers, but years ago I was driving west on a highway through Ontario and I heard the sound of TIE fighters passing my truck. Turns out it was the 18-wheelers going eastbound on the divided highway across from me. The acoustics must have been just right as I haven't heard it produced "naturally" since then.

TVO = TV Ontario = *Canada

That's not predicated by the polygamy. People make the same argument for gay marriage - all the horror and gay disease that follows with gay marriage.

I can agree that polygamy provides an excuse for crazy people to do crazy things, like Porn also does (if we remember that discussion). It attracts the wrong crowd. That said, principally there's nothing wrong with polygamy.

Muslims have a funny sense of honor..
>> ^therealblankman:

@gwiz665
Personally I don't give two shits about whatever consenting adults do- sexually, maritally, orally, anally or whateverly. The problem with polygamy isn't the multiple spouses per se, it's what accompanies it, such as child abuse, the severe repression of women, and domestic violence.
Polygamy is a sensitive subject here in Canada and especially in BC. A recent case involving a polygamous Muslim marriage in Ontario went a little sideways when a man and his second wife actually murdered the first wife and her 3 daughters in some sick nasty "honour" thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafia_family_murders
In BC there has been an ongoing case involving a small Mormon community called Bountiful. The Polygamous men there have been trafficking in young pre-pubescent girls, marrying them and consummating those "marriages". Pretty fucked up stuff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bountiful,_British_Columbia
It's pretty hard to support Polygamy when such consequences seem to follow naturally. The above examples are admittedly extreme, but hardly isolated or unprecedented.

@gwiz665

Personally I don't give two shits about whatever consenting adults do- sexually, maritally, orally, anally or whateverly. The problem with polygamy isn't the multiple spouses per se, it's what accompanies it, such as child abuse, the severe repression of women, and domestic violence.

Polygamy is a sensitive subject here in Canada and especially in BC. A recent case involving a polygamous Muslim marriage in Ontario went a little sideways when a man and his second wife actually murdered the first wife and her 3 daughters in some sick nasty "honour" thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafia_family_murders

In BC there has been an ongoing case involving a small Mormon community called Bountiful. The Polygamous men there have been trafficking in young pre-pubescent girls, marrying them and consummating those "marriages". Pretty fucked up stuff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bountiful,_British_Columbia

It's pretty hard to support Polygamy when such consequences seem to follow naturally. The above examples are admittedly extreme, but hardly isolated or unprecedented.

>> ^Mashiki:

>> ^Trout:
Thanks for that translation... even funnier.
I can't believe all the snow - on the street, pushed against the houses. Wonder where this was filmed?

Well somewhere over in europe this year, lot of places in central and eastern europe got hammered with snowfall though not much in cold canada this year, they can have our snow. Though last year it could have been in Ontario. Last winter we had places with 4-6m of snow on the ground in a 1 week period. And I spent more than a few weeks out with friends shoveling off roofs and trying to dig people out.


That somewhere in Europe in this case is Italy :-)

>> ^Trout:

Thanks for that translation... even funnier.
I can't believe all the snow - on the street, pushed against the houses. Wonder where this was filmed?


Well somewhere over in europe this year, lot of places in central and eastern europe got hammered with snowfall though not much in cold canada this year, they can have our snow. Though last year it could have been in Ontario. Last winter we had places with 4-6m of snow on the ground in a 1 week period. And I spent more than a few weeks out with friends shoveling off roofs and trying to dig people out.

Ontario had a similar problem like this in the early oughts. They created a program which rewarded and financed people who'd go into skilled labour and it is a skill. There was a big problem in Toronto in 02' where there were maybe four to five mason workers who were worth their salt. They knew it and charged insane prices. No one was angry at them though, they were the only game in town and they all knew each other.

Everyone did the math and realized they'd have to retire. So, we put together a campaign to promote and help students enroll in Skilled Labour courses. It has been improving in Ontario, the numbers aren't in on it yet, but it looks like it is getting better.

I love that Mike Rowe did this. It is something that afflicts Canada and the US. Simply put, we don't make our own things anymore and we're starting to forget how to build our own things.

Well when pretty much all policy gets dictated by what Manitoba and Ontario and Quebec want. I say fuck'em !

fuck'em hard.

The way we devise representation in this country is pathetic. Based on gross population not square footage. BULL PUCKY.

>> ^calvados:

There was as much "eh" in that two-minute video as I usually hear in a week 'round these parts!


I am not a Canadian, and I like to use "eh" a lot.

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>> ^BoneRemake:

Venisons Dear isnt it ?


Yes dear.

Exactly. Proportionally, he's running about 30% faster if the real guy is 6.5 feet tall, and the video is blown up 30%. No wonder the real guy can't keep up. There was a similar exhibit of a 10m sprint at the Ontario Science Centre (maybe still is) where you had to run against a pro sprinter and beat her time of 2s. It was from the blocks to the finish line with electric timers. That was a fair race.>> ^MonkeySpank:

The man on the video is about 8.5 feet tall; there lies your problem folks.

Waterloo, Ontario, *Canada