>> ^gwiz665:

I never could get into Eve. I've tried, multiple times, but no.


I've never tried it but I really like it conceptually. I like the idea that MMOs can simulate a fictional reality and that there's good and bad in that, excitement and tedium. I like when there are few rules and that those that do exist are enforced in-universe whenever possible.

But I also have no interest or willingness to pay a subscription to play a game.

Thank you. Excellent comment.

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>> ^westy:

Nice trailer visually.

However tells you nothing about the actually game play which will likely be utter shite and contain all the crap players have come accustomed to with MMO games.
Maybe in 9-15 years time the technology and network infra structure will exist to actually do a space MMO that's decent and can come close to delivering game play that matches the promotional material.
The game has been out for eight fucking years, so if you actually cared to know what the game is like, you have had more than ample opportunity to find out before coming here and making ignorant statements about what it will "likely" be.



JFC westy, did someone crank down your morphine drip or something? Every other video I watch this morning has some pissy, righteous commentary from you. Note, this observation is from someone practiced in pissy, righteous commentary.

>> ^westy:

Nice trailer visually.

However tells you nothing about the actually game play which will likely be utter shite and contain all the crap players have come accustomed to with MMO games.
Maybe in 9-15 years time the technology and network infra structure will exist to actually do a space MMO that's decent and can come close to delivering game play that matches the promotional material.
The game has been out for eight fucking years, so if you actually cared to know what the game is like, you have had more than ample opportunity to find out before coming here and making ignorant statements about what it will "likely" be.



JFC westy, did someone crank down your morphine drip or something? Every other video I watch this morning has some pissy, righteous commentary from you. Note, this observation is from someone practiced in pissy, righteous commentary.

Nice trailer visually.


However tells you nothing about the actually game play which will likely be utter shite and contain all the crap players have come accustomed to with MMO games.

Maybe in 9-15 years time the technology and network infra structure will exist to actually do a space MMO that's decent and can come close to delivering game play that matches the promotional material.

Yeah the game is pretty, but the gameplay is shitty. Go here, explore another rather generic dungeon, retrieve mediocre randomly generated loot, and repeat over and over again. Why should I go trekking half away across Skyrim for you, some random person whom I've just met for 5 seconds?

And playing as a mage, the combat just plain sucks. I just stand there while my follower tanks, and spam firebolt. Its about as interactive as a MMO, and this is on expert difficulty. Got the game against my better judgement, despite hating Oblivion, and now I'm 25 levels in and have no motivation to continue.

>> ^Morganth:

Awesome! Back in college I actually wrote my graduation paper on the 'History of the Video Game Console Industry.'


Do you still have it? If so, then please kindly post it for us to read.

Miss my Shadow Knight. You don't often find anti-paladins in rpg's, especially an MMO setting.

There are many, many multiplayer only games, and I'm not even talking about MMOs. Console games have lagged behind PC in terms of online connectivity, but with the success of PSN and Xbox Live, multiplayer has become much more prominent in the console-space, and will be even more relevant with the next generation. When you are playing the sequel to one of the historically greatest PC multiplayer only franchises, yes complaining about the singleplayer is like complaining about the salad at the steak restaurant.

And when 95% of your "reviews" focuses on why a game sucks, you are a "hater". It's hard to take someone's "opinions" seriously when their idea of game of the year is Saints Row 2.


>> ^Deano:

>> ^ChaosEngine:
>> ^Deano:
Personally I disagree. Single-player is very important to me with only a very few exceptions.

Given that the BF series was founded on multiplayer, and has always been about multiplayer, I think it might qualify as one of those exceptions.
Now, don't get me wrong, if you release an SP campaign and market it as heavily as EA has, it's fair game for criticism. But it's kinda like going to a steak house, having a fantastic steak, a great bottle of win and then complaining about the garlic bread. The bread shoulda been better, but it's not why you went out in the first place.
Anyway, Yahtzee has a well-known dislike for online multiplayer, given that he is a "jaded, friendless misanthrope" (his words).

If it's fair game then I don't think the steak house analogy really applies. If on the other hand it was heavily hyped as MP with far less emphasis on SP then I can see where one might have cause for concern.
The thing is no publisher is ever going to market a game that just has multiplayer, even if for many dedicated fans that is what the game is really about. They still have to sell a game to everyone which includes people like me who will play the SP, maybe flirt with the MP for a short while then stop playing.

Those consoles turn kids into morons. Growing up playing console games prepares kids to the world of Idiocracy and cash registers with pictures of hamburgers instead of numbers.

The worst thing is that the industry is starting to to dumb down MMO's to the console crowds level.

It's really sad. The worst part is these kids have no idea what they are missing.

I really hate the ingame hints. It totally breaks the immersion. It used to be an option you could toggle, but now it is just there even when you don't want/need it.

Don't even get me started on the whole console controller thing. The idea of steering a 200mph car or 600mph plane with two buttons is so utterly stupid, it makes my skin crawl. Oh but little Tommy is too wasted to or lacks the attention span to aquire and set up a decent six axis jobstick, wah, wah, wah, QQ.

Yeah, I don't know why people are reacting badly to this. The Panderen have been part of the brewfest and we've known they exist, so no surprise they finally made them playable.
I personally don't know if it will bring me back. If Star Wars: The Old Republic sucks, then I may come back after this comes out... and I activated a free account to play with off and on for now since my regular account is deactivated.
I look forward to Diablo III more at the moment, thanks to SW:TOR, but if it wasn't for that, I would probably be more excited. I do PVE only, I don't do dungeons and certainly never raids, and hate PVP, so some of the other upcoming games are of little interest to me. WoW is the only MMO that has any appeal to solo PVE players, the others seem to favor PVP or dungeons and raids with groups (I guess one would say I should look at Elder Scrolls or Dragon Age, but I like how WoW plays more). I really wish they were releasing information on Titan this year though... even a tease would do for now, but they said they aren't ready to do anything about that yet.

Depending on how much of the actual game (ie. random map generation, creature AI, damage/hit calculations, etc.) takes place server-side instead of on the local PC, it could take a while before a pirate DRM-free version becomes available.

If it works essentially like a not-so Massive MMO with everything happening server-side (which sounds quite possible considering the real-money market for items) there will still eventually be server emulators. I'd say that represents the upper limit to the span of time it will take for a non-battle.net variant.

I'm rather annoyed by this crap myself. I realize that there are a whole lot of people out there who just buy and play games, and don't spend any time raging against DRM (or even know what DRM is). Blizzard is going to be just fine by selling to those folks. But I think that there comes a time when the DRM is just too invasive for the average consumer to ignore anymore. It is flawed by design, and it eventually catches up and causes more loss than profit.

That time has come for a few properties / companies already. I just hope it happens on a larger scale soon so we can start moving away from this DRM system of desperately trying to cram the cat back into the bag.

I see videosift as an MMO. There's a selfish aspect to it and a social aspect to it. Both interact and both are important.

But then I suppose to a hammer, everything is a nail.

To be fair...I played Eve for about a month, and in that Month I had the most immersive experience I've ever had in a videogame.

My only real critique was that for a game it seemed very light on actual gameplay. Its the only MMO that really lives up to the acronym tho, at least imo.

just make a MMO, cmon

>> ^netean:

Whilst a huge game, with lots to potentially do.. All I (too) noticed in the vid was:
"yet more grind"
(after three months of solid grinding, I got so fed up running from here to there to gather, collect, kill x number of Xs. I gave up)
They really should rename it:
"The sad and lonely world of Grindcraft"


Funny part is it's less Grindy than a LOT of MMOs.