Also, to be fair, when someone doesn't have a loop back of their voice, and there's tons of sound so they can't hear themselves directly, it's like a deaf person singing. Britney IS singing. This would not be accurately described as lip-sync as in the Milli Vanilli crap. This is definitely "overdubbing" with the second track being edited out. Also, as she knows her voice isn't actually being amplified, she's not really trying. This isn't an Autotuned performance either.

What really blew my mind was finding out Lil' John can actually sing. Sing REALLY well actually. He uses Autotune as an art device, bizzarely.

And before that was Plastic Bertrand.
>> ^Xaielao:

[...] Milli Vanilli [...]

Knew he was a fake. You know, in the late 80's we had a massive conspiracy in the music world as Milli Vanilli were discovered as having faked their performances, and that they didn't even record their own songs. It caused such an uproar in the music industry at the time that it was on the news for months, the duo was stripped of their awards, shamed by the masses and one of the performers committed suicide.

Little did we know that a decade or two later it would be not only with this sort of fraud be common place, it would be the defacto standard in Pop music (and others.. I highly suspect Country because most of those male singers sound identical, they don't write their own songs and many visibly do not play their guitar even though you hear it being played when they are on stage). Big acts like Bieber are made famous because of their charisma and their sex appeal... and yes, that was the intent for his teenybopper audience. Their flat or unpolished singing voices mean nothing when a computer program just fixes their voice digitally and then they go on stage and just pretend to sing. The handful of times they actually sing themselves the performances are horrid.

Justin Bieber can sing a little blurb on a talk show or over the internet and sound half decent.. millions worth of singing lessons will do that. But when it comes right down to it he's the same no talent hack as the vast majority of the 'pop' world. What is even more funny is that the vast majority of websites, news channels, etc that report this don't even MENTION the fact that he somehow keeps 'singing' even while throwing up. The sad fact is most people have either accepted or become blinded to the fact that Mili Vanili were only precursors to a new industry standard.

In the end I feel bad the most for our children. They are growing up with this fake garbage and don't even know it. It's all so focus tested and programmed in that each new hit is the same and they don't care. It's why with my daughter I try and teach her to be eclectic with her musical tastes. I really don't care if I don't like what she listens to, just so long as she know how fake pop music is these days. Thankfully she's got her dads musical genes.

It's like finding out who really sang for Milli Vanilli.

Upvote for Milli Vanilli! Buh Buh BuhBuh Bay-bee =oD

Milli Vanilli part deux.

You must not have noticed the sarcasm button but I just wanted to point out I agree with ya in the first case the second one I mentioned however to me is understandable.
>> ^NaMeCaF:

>> ^ctrlaltbleach:
Right? So what if you only sound good from 25 takes pasted together in a studio with different filters to disguise the rest of it and people are so use to hearing commercialized recordings that a live musician would sound horrible to their ears.
Even worse who cares that if you have been on the road for months singing night after night until your voice is destroyed. People will still believe you can sing after you get on stage sounding like a live version of Bob Dylan.
>> ^NaMeCaF:
I dont see any point in lip-syncing what so ever. Anyone can sit there and and pretend to play the guitar and move their lips. Why not just perform it?


And this is exactly my problem. If you need 25 takes pasted together in a studio with different filters, you shouldn't be performing live at all. Play a fucking clip. It's bullshit. It's no different than Milli Vanilli. It aint really their voice/performance, but they lip synch to it and pretend it is.
Think about it. Would you be happy paying to see a live football match when instead you just get an edited replay?

>> ^ctrlaltbleach:

Right? So what if you only sound good from 25 takes pasted together in a studio with different filters to disguise the rest of it and people are so use to hearing commercialized recordings that a live musician would sound horrible to their ears.
Even worse who cares that if you have been on the road for months singing night after night until your voice is destroyed. People will still believe you can sing after you get on stage sounding like a live version of Bob Dylan.
>> ^NaMeCaF:
I dont see any point in lip-syncing what so ever. Anyone can sit there and and pretend to play the guitar and move their lips. Why not just perform it?



And this is exactly my problem. If you need 25 takes pasted together in a studio with different filters, you shouldn't be performing live at all. Play a fucking clip. It's bullshit. It's no different than Milli Vanilli. It aint really their voice/performance, but they lip synch to it and pretend it is.

Think about it. Would you be happy paying to see a live football match when instead you just get an edited replay?

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As the keeper of the livemusic channel, my opinion is this: this video is livemusic related. The livemusic channel is not overrun with this type of stuff, so no big deal. Like when Britney Spears said on stage "My pussy is hanging out!" That is livemusic also. Livemusic is also OK for canned recordings when the artists are seen playing instruments or singing. (Like, Milli Vanilli or acts from the "Michael Douglas show".) So it is sort of a bit like putting horses in the catsAndDogs channel.

Thank you for welcoming me into the new age of computing! I totally did not know that millions of devices with touch interfaces had been sold. That is amazing. As you are well aware, the popularity of something is direct irrefutable proof of it's greatness. Millions of people bought Milli Vanilli albums and Beanie Babies and Pet Rocks and all those things are great! I would definitely use the general public to try to prove my own points if only they agreed with me. Typing on a smeary screen, using up valuable visible display space to show a keyboard and getting no tactile feedback is surely the wave of the future! What could be better when gaming than looking at the back of your own hand? What is more immersive than using imprecise finger pointing to generally direct game elements? I can't think of anything really. Joysticks and keyboard/mouse combinations have just been holding us back. It's all so clear now.
P.S. Where can I get a some of that iPhone kool-aid you've been drinking? The game shown here looks to be in the RTS genre. The generally accepted measure for proficiency in RTS games is actions per minute. Top players in Starcraft perform several hundred per minute on keyboard/mouse. This kludgey junk you are so quick to praise because it looks like Minority Report or something from a hacking scene in a movie would never come close to that in APM. It's junk for casual gamers who are easily impressed. So I guess I should say "Enjoy!".
>> ^jmd:
Btw friz, welcome to 2011, with millions of touch phones and tablets all over the world being used. Todays glass can be coated in a way where thumb prints don't cause to much of an issue. May be a slight prismatic look when sweaty, but people have no problems enjoying gaming on them. The touch interface shown here is far more superior then a gamepad or mouse could do. Having one hand on a keyboard to help facilitate issuing command types with your next touch could easily be handled with an onscreen panel too.

I knew the end of the world would be lip synched. I thought it was going to be a Milli Vanilli Comeback tour.

I always wondered what happened to the other guy from Milli Vanilli.

> BTW There's no way this is live

livemusic tag is also qualified for videos of the performers, alive, playing the same thing
i.e. in concert videos can include britney spears and milli vanilli

Touchy issue... as Lord Of The LiveMusic channel, I have decreed that non-live music can be submitted if it predominantly shows the artists playing and singing. If the rules were too strictly carried out, it would be impossible to post any live Milli Vanilli.