ok,can someone tell me what qualification liz cheney has in the matter concerning the defense of waterboarding?
besides being dick cheneys daughter?
thats it?? she gets asked on all these shows to defend this illegal war and illegal interrogations because she is dickie-boys lil girl?
and she infers that she has seen CLASSIFIED documents which may absolve her daddy of any illegalities?
oh good christ on a stick!!
whats next?do milli vanilli have the where-abouts of sadams weapons of mass destruction?
"there is a country-wide debate on whether waterboarding is torture"
NO...there isnt.there is no debate,nor argument.
waterboarding=torture..go check zonbies link.
what the debate is REALLY about is if bybee,addington and woo constructed a defense that will protect people like cheney and rumsfeld from prosecution.
which it will..there is equal justice in america,if you can afford it.

the fact of the matter is that waterboarding was created for the sole purpose of procuring a "false confession",china made it almost into an artform.
there has been no pertinent information garnered from detainess to date concerning terrorist attacks upon US soil.
the "war on terror" is a made up "war",just like the "war" on drugs.
the real reason for the "war on terror" is for defense budget reasons,fear politics and global american hegemony.
and before any of you neo-con "appeasers" attempt to attack my premise,maybe you should know what- the- FUCK a neo-conservative IS before you admonish my standings.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
neo-conservative has NOTHING to do with being conservative,nor republican or even christian for that matter.
they were originally considered "neo-LIBERALS"..LIBERALS quantummushroom!!
i call them what they REALLY are...fascists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

this is a media made debate having no real grounds in a true debate.
a polemic meant to bolster ratings and be as divisive as possible,with no real conclusion,compromise or understanding.
in the end we all lose.
fucking media twats......

It would be fun to pull audio tricks and lip sync your own bad track to frame up these "singers". Like the guitar spoofs where he dubs in really bad playing.

But I tend to believe all of these Disney made bullsh-t "artists" like Britney and Enrique are in fact talentless losers who are 99% image generated by corporations that rely on post production and voice tuners and lip syncing. (See: milli vanilli)

Why would any decent singer ever need to lip sync, even on live TV or taped TV. Just sing.

Gosh, thanks for the 10th vote on that video. I never knew Milli Vanilli held such sway still. I figured it would languish in my queue forever.

Certainly it requires talent to dance and sing, but that's no excuse for lipsynching. It was a high crime when Milli Vanilli did it, but somehow it's forgivable now? Anyway, you might be able to sing really well, but if you don't have a decent monitor (if you can't hear yourself) it's really tough, like writing with your eyes closed.

Although this is thought of as a hoax, I think that's what might be happening to Linda McCartney here...

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2006/03/linda_mccartney.mp3


http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/03/audio_hoaxes_an.html

As a sweeping generalization coming from my own upbringing and experiences, I think Chinese people (and their government) tend to value aesthetics greatly, and thus a decision like this is upsetting but not very surprising. At the same time, though, this sort of mindset isn't at all an Evil China exclusive; look at magazine photos (where in some magazines, they're more painting than photo now anyway), musician/performer successes, diet trends, fashion trends, the meat of the advertising world ("You're not good enough. Buy this and maybe you'll be less horrible.") etc. And I definitely can't endorse high-and-mighty comments about how evil China is; they're just as evil as everywhere else, but they're not as good at covering it up. You say the Chinese media is state-run like that's uncommon. Did CNN lose its "Joke" status? China's just more transparent about it.

Returning to the topic, I read an article on this earlier in the week (which carried a little more substance to it) and apparently the story is that the girl you SAW was selected early to perform (she IS a singer, and a nice one), but during the last rehearsal a powerful politician decided her voice had to go. Thus the music director scrambled to find another good voice, which he did, but then the owner of that lovely voice was deemed not cute enough to represent China. Both kids and their families say they are okay with it (of course, they might have been instructed to say that), the singer that she's just happy her voice was used to represent China. I think that's a classy way to come off it, and whoever's handling PR for China seems to have done the best they could after the fact (ie not denial). I still don't agree with the decision, as I think both kids were adorable, and I feel confident that if the visible girl made it through auditioning and rehearsals, she was indeed a great singer anyway. It's unfortunate that this one dude with all the power decided otherwise, but hey, that's art.

And finally, to whoever posted that quip about slave labour being related, that's gotta top my personal list of dumbest correlations ever. And further, a country that is known to use slave labour might be a sad thing, but is it much better to be in one of the many countries that quietly but enthusiastically continue to fund said labour?

My overall point is this isn't a good deed by any means, but I suspect that the world is chomping at the bit to cry foul at China, given the one-sided press it gets. And as another poster commented, on the grand scale, who really cares about lip-synching? (Pavarotti lip-synched in the 07 Winters, I think... due to age and cold air?)

PS: Milli Vanilli was AWESOME. Blame it on the Rain was such an awesome song I'm not even upset about the whole lip-synching faking debacle.

It's Milli Vanilli all over again!

Milli Vanilli gave their grammys back when they were found out and they weren't representatives of their country at an international ceremony. Getting caught lip syincing is ALWAYS embarrassing and scandalous and provocative anyway.

I guess I just hold entertainers to a lower standard than I do such as this.

I just think you are finding fault with something that happens all the time all over the world but making it sound specifically Chinese in it's nature.

Am not surprised that is the case, the reason she was passed over is the same reason Milli Vanilli won the Grammys and turns out they didn't actually sing.

Two words.... Milli Vanilli.

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^ for that matter, how do you even know it's Daft Punk, under those helmets?

i bet they paid 2 bums, from the alley behind the theater, 100 bucks each, to stand up there in helmets!
those sneaky French bastards.

On our next episode: the Bros find themselves on suicide watch when Peach finds out Milli Vanilli are a couple of hosebags... tune in.

Girl you know its true! I love you! Oh oh!

Oh Milli Vanilli, how shocked I was heard to hear their heavy German accents after winning their awards.

Prodigious vocal talent!

Not annoying enough, though. Mr. Miller could easily have doubled his annoyingness quotient (AQ) by simply adding Rush's Geddy Lee.

And for kicks, he should add Milli Vanilli or Ashlee Simpson in there somewhere, too.

PS *music