>> ^DerHasisttot:


The more people are vaccinated, the more likely it is that HPV is not transmitted to the women's children, the more likely it is that HPV is eradicated in the future: No more genital warts and hopefully, no more deaths. Compare smallpox.
Additionally, afaik and researched, there are no serious side-effects.
To be against the vaccine is demonstrably going against the science. Again: No significant negative, much positive.


To be "with the science", you sure are making a lot of unscientific claims. The vaccine industry is run on dogma, not science.

Oh, I don't know. He usually is so fakey show biz. I felt like I actually got to see HIM for a change.

He is ambitious, yes, and willing to do what he needs to do to feed that monster. But his mother loves him. He isn't just that.

>> ^shuac:

Cheaply-bought platitudes, BB. Don't fall for it. Jay's still a dickhead.

>> ^Enzoblue:

Again, why is the left media so angered by this? The vaccination is stretching the connection of HPV with cervical cancer with some seriously dubious numbers. 6 MILLION women get HPV and only 4000 die from the cancer??? The reason the vaccine is a topic, is because Governor Perry tried to force, BY LAW, all little girls in his state to get it because he was getting kick backs from Merck - the sole producer of this vaccine.
I'm all for vaccines, but this one smells of sleeze. It's curious why the media is taking such an "OMG anti-science" stance.


The more people are vaccinated, the more likely it is that HPV is not transmitted to the women's children, the more likely it is that HPV is eradicated in the future: No more genital warts and hopefully, no more deaths. Compare smallpox.

Additionally, afaik and researched, there are no serious side-effects.
To be against the vaccine is demonstrably going against the science. Again: No significant negative, much positive.

Two professional bio-medical ethicists/scientists are now offering money -- as much as $11,000 to Michelle Bachmann's campaign, for the medical proof to verify this outrageous claim regarding a vaccination gone bad. (It's my understanding that, if she is unable to "produce her victim," she will need to donate $10,000 to a pro-vaccination group.)

Bachmann's camp has had "no response" to this offer.

I for one, wish her luck! ;-)

>> ^Trancecoach:

there is exactly ZERO percent possibility that an injection of a vaccine can result in or even correlate with the symptoms of mental retardation.
None.
Zilch.
Nada.

@marbles: Some logical, sane information about all of this: Michele Bachmann needles Perry on vaccinations

>> ^marbles:

I don't make the mistake of confirmation bias like some people.

Wait... they do have adverse reactions or they don't? You just contradicted yourself. I'm sure when the child gets a high fever or has a seizure, the parents are just making that shit up. That's the real conspiracy! All these parents are lying about their children, they want to bring back the black plague!

So again I'll ask: It's possible to make vaccines without mercury, so why do you authoritarian toads want to mandate vaccines with a HIGHLY toxic substance that we don't even fully understand how it's toxicity mechanism works? You people are insane.

"Think Twice" sounds like a good idea to any rational minded person.

And perfect, you can't dispute the facts--so just ignore them.>> ^spoco2:

@marbles:

Let me get this straight... A young kid gets vaccinated, suffers an adverse reaction to it which leads to "autism like" symptoms. And the vaccine did NOT cause autism? The kid was going to get autism anyway? Bullshit. You have no evidence to back up that position.

Yup, that's what I'm saying because they don't suffer 'adverse reactions'. What tends to happen is that a kid gets their shots, sometime later they start showing signs of autism, and then the parents start trying to look for a reason and so latch on to the last thing that happened, no matter HOW UNRELATED it is.
Autism starts showing itself, generally, around the age that kids get these vaccines. They're just two things that happen around the same bloody time.
You have lost the ability (or never had it) to be able to see how things happening around the same time are not necessarily related. You have to show a CAUSAL link. And none have been shown.
YES, in a tiny segment of the population there are adverse affects to vaccines. YES these adverse affects are sad and horrible for those it occurs to, but also does occur due to pre-existing conditions/predispositions (so it'd be great if you could pre-screen for these, but can't as yet). These are tiny percentages, and, while bad, cannot really be avoided, NO treatment of ANY kind has zero potential side effects.
And all that which you quote there... I'll chose to not even read it considering the source... Neil Miller Director of the Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute. a bullshit anti vaccination group who peddle herbal clensers and fucking homeopathy. Sorry, anyone who gives homeopathy any credence whatsoever is a blathering idiot in any scientific way.
So, sorry, anything written by him can now be written off as 'horseshit'.

Yes I have for the most part. Haven't watched all of them. I don't care for any of them except Ron Paul. If he doesn't get the nom, I'm voting Libertarian.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
I do like him better than Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Mitt Romney and the others. Huntsman gets props too for his pro-science statement, though he destroyed all his chances by saying it. Have you checked out the debates?

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
You wouldn't vote for him. But I bet you'd like to see him win the primaries.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
Nice one, Ron Paul!

I do like him better than Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Mitt Romney and the others. Huntsman gets props too for his pro-science statement, though he destroyed all his chances by saying it. Have you checked out the debates?

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
You wouldn't vote for him. But I bet you'd like to see him win the primaries.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
Nice one, Ron Paul!

NO! Pitchforks, everyone!
>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

I think marinara was joking. Easy now, people.

You are truly a moron. I've tried not to say so, but you are. Your conspiracy theory videos and this retarded attack on immunisation just prove it.

Widespread vaccination has the potential to reduce cervical cancer deaths around the world by as much as two-thirds, if all women were to take the vaccine and if protection turns out to be long-term. In addition, the vaccines can reduce the need for medical care, biopsies, and invasive procedures associated with the follow-up from abnormal Pap tests, thus helping to reduce health care costs and anxieties related to abnormal Pap tests and follow-up procedures.
—American National Cancer Institute, [22]
(source)

If you're all fine with NOT trying to prevent two thirds of cervical cancer deaths based on a misguided fear of immunisations, then have at it sir, and then don't bitch when any woman you knows dies of it.

Go and look up what immunisation has done for the world, go on...

Children DIED because of the hysteria created around the MMR vaccine by the slime ball Andrew Wakefield. Children who would NOT have died did so because idiots like you made parents incorrectly fear a vaccine, so their children were not immunised, infection rates sky-rocketed, and children DIED.

I mock the fucking shit out of you because you are wrong, and your decisions put the lives of other people at risk too, not just your own. There's no two ways about it, vaccinations are a HUGE benefit to society, a HUGE life saver, a HUGE preventer of pain and suffering.

Do you use homoeopathic remedies to ward off evil do you?


>> ^marbles:

>> ^spoco2:
>> ^marinara:
mercury causes mental retardation, vaccines contain mercury, therefore vaccines=retardation.

A 6-ounce can of tuna fish contains an average of 17 micrograms of mercury, vaccines that contain mercury contain roughly 25 micrograms.
You think you're going to become mentally retarded by eating two cans of tuna?
No?
Then what you're saying is retarded.
That sort of knee-jerk, mindless shit is what causes people to stop getting their kids immunised and starts getting kids killed.

There's a big difference between ingesting mercury and injecting it straight into the vein.
Do junkies eat heroin? Why the fuck do you think they go to the trouble of injecting smack, why don't they just eat it?
Hardly any mercury is absorbed through ingesting, like around .01%. So that would be 1/1000 of 17 micrograms actually absorbed or .0017 micrograms / 6oz can of tuna.
And what do we actually know about mercury? Well, we know it's HIGHLY toxic. Let's go to the wikipedia page for Mercury poisoning:
Mercury is such a highly reactive toxic agent that it is difficult to identify its specific mechanism of damage, and much remains unknown about the mechanism. It damages the central nervous system, endocrine system, kidneys, and other organs, and adversely affects the mouth, gums, and teeth. Exposure over long periods of time or heavy exposure to mercury vapor can result in brain damage and ultimately death. Mercury and its compounds are particularly toxic to fetuses and infants. Women who have been exposed to mercury in pregnancy have sometimes given birth to children with serious birth defects (see Minamata disease).
Mercury exposure in young children can have severe neurological consequences, preventing nerve sheaths from forming properly. Mercury inhibits the formation of myelin.
/source

And since we're at it, let's have a peak at Thiomersal's wikipedia page:
Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin, with a danger of cumulative effects. ...
Few studies of the toxicity of thiomersal in humans have been performed. Cases have been reported of severe poisoning by accidental exposure or attempted suicide, with some fatalities. Animal experiments suggest that thiomersal rapidly dissociates to release ethylmercury after injection; that the disposition patterns of mercury are similar to those after exposure to equivalent doses of ethylmercury chloride; and that the central nervous system and the kidneys are targets, with lack of motor coordination being a common sign. Similar signs and symptoms have been observed in accidental human poisonings. The mechanisms of toxic action are unknown.
/source
But you can keep talking out of your ass like you actually have a fucking clue. And keep shooting up your children with neurotoxins too, while mocking those that oppose forced inoculations.
BTW statist idiot, the video is referring to the HPV vaccine. Why do fucking 10 year olds need to be vaccinated for STDs?

>> ^spoco2:

>> ^marinara:
mercury causes mental retardation, vaccines contain mercury, therefore vaccines=retardation.

A 6-ounce can of tuna fish contains an average of 17 micrograms of mercury, vaccines that contain mercury contain roughly 25 micrograms.
You think you're going to become mentally retarded by eating two cans of tuna?
No?
Then what you're saying is retarded.
That sort of knee-jerk, mindless shit is what causes people to stop getting their kids immunised and starts getting kids killed.


There's a big difference between ingesting mercury and injecting it straight into the vein.

Do junkies eat heroin? Why the fuck do you think they go to the trouble of injecting smack, why don't they just eat it?
Hardly any mercury is absorbed through ingesting, like around .01%. So that would be 1/1000 of 17 micrograms actually absorbed or .0017 micrograms / 6oz can of tuna.

And what do we actually know about mercury? Well, we know it's HIGHLY toxic. Let's go to the wikipedia page for Mercury poisoning:

Mercury is such a highly reactive toxic agent that it is difficult to identify its specific mechanism of damage, and much remains unknown about the mechanism. It damages the central nervous system, endocrine system, kidneys, and other organs, and adversely affects the mouth, gums, and teeth. Exposure over long periods of time or heavy exposure to mercury vapor can result in brain damage and ultimately death. Mercury and its compounds are particularly toxic to fetuses and infants. Women who have been exposed to mercury in pregnancy have sometimes given birth to children with serious birth defects (see Minamata disease).

Mercury exposure in young children can have severe neurological consequences, preventing nerve sheaths from forming properly. Mercury inhibits the formation of myelin.
/source


And since we're at it, let's have a peak at Thiomersal's wikipedia page:

Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin, with a danger of cumulative effects. ...

Few studies of the toxicity of thiomersal in humans have been performed. Cases have been reported of severe poisoning by accidental exposure or attempted suicide, with some fatalities. Animal experiments suggest that thiomersal rapidly dissociates to release ethylmercury after injection; that the disposition patterns of mercury are similar to those after exposure to equivalent doses of ethylmercury chloride; and that the central nervous system and the kidneys are targets, with lack of motor coordination being a common sign. Similar signs and symptoms have been observed in accidental human poisonings. The mechanisms of toxic action are unknown.
/source

But you can keep talking out of your ass like you actually have a fucking clue. And keep shooting up your children with neurotoxins too, while mocking those that oppose forced inoculations.

BTW statist idiot, the video is referring to the HPV vaccine. Why do fucking 10 year olds need to be vaccinated for STDs?

>> ^ponceleon:

>> ^Hanover_Phist:
I've seen better videos of Michele Machmann making a fool of herself. Although she clearly opposes vaccinations for some reason, I believe her "official" stance in this video is to oppose the mandatory distribution of vaccinations. Which kind of makes sense. Making them widely available and forcing people to take them are two different things.

Actually, this is a pretty good point and reminds me of a really interesting thing way back. I did residential work back in the day and I remember my first year I had a Christian Scientist who did not have any inoculations. His roommate totally freaked out and we ended up consulting the health services to find out what they thought about the situation and basically they said that it really wasn't a big deal because literally everyone around him was inoculated, so it wasn't like he was going to spontaneously generate plague from nowhere.
I suppose it would still be icky had he had traveled while on vacation and become exposed to something virulent, but given that everyone else had been inoculated, it probably wouldn't mean a total pandemic...


I was raised a Christian Scientist (not anymore) I never got any vaccinations. I've been to 4 continents in some of the worst...dankest places you could imagine. I'm fine, because people overreact about this sort of thing. There's a chance I could've died but there's also a chance I could get hit by a bus. I'm sick of people being such fucking pussies. Our bodies are pretty resilient, if we let them be.

>> ^spoco2:

>> ^marinara:
mercury causes mental retardation, vaccines contain mercury, therefore vaccines=retardation.

A 6-ounce can of tuna fish contains an average of 17 micrograms of mercury, vaccines that contain mercury contain roughly 25 micrograms.
You think you're going to become mentally retarded by eating two cans of tuna?
No?
Then what you're saying is retarded.
That sort of knee-jerk, mindless shit is what causes people to stop getting their kids immunised and starts getting kids killed.


Again I say...So what? People want to talk about how lives matter soo much...they don't. Just die no one will miss you.

>> ^spoco2:

>> ^marinara:
mercury causes mental retardation, vaccines contain mercury, therefore vaccines=retardation.

A 6-ounce can of tuna fish contains an average of 17 micrograms of mercury, vaccines that contain mercury contain roughly 25 micrograms.
You think you're going to become mentally retarded by eating two cans of tuna?


You can tell me vaccinations are safe, but don't say mercury is safe. You do the truth a great disservice when you say things like that. Vaccinations are a great and wonderful thing, but they need to be administered with a healthy dose of education to be truly effective.