what ...the....FUCK did i just watch?
this video had me mouthing off like don rickles on a crystal meth bender but i'll curb my urge to eviscerate this....*cough*.....music?
talent aside...and lets be up front..these guys have some talent but the whole "arpeggio/melodic/overload with lyrical operatic overtones" was already done by jason becker and marty friedman in the 80's.if you like these guys you will most likely enjoy CACOPHONY.
i'll upvote on the bizzar factor but not on content.this song is...yeesh.../cringes.
meh../shrugs..maybe its just me but it seems they should be played at 33 RPM's and not 44 RPM's.
and i am by no means a purists,my music tastes are extremely eclectic but i'll listen to death metal before being subjected to this.
sorry guitarwolf but i cant join ya in appreciating this band.
seems you really like them.

No, it's that babies have a 'pure' mind, unencumbered by the layers of conditioning and restraint we put on ourselves. He completely addresses each moment as it comes, without regard for context. When the fight song plays, he hates it and cries. When the more melodic tune plays, he disregards what happened moments before, and enjoys the tune.

Buddhists spend their lives to reach such a state. There is a koan that highlights this:

A man traveling across a field encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger after him. Coming to a precipice, he caught hold of the root of a wild vine and swung himself down over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. Trembling, the man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was waiting to eat him. Only the vine sustained him.

Two mice, one white and one black, little by little started to gnaw away the vine. The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it tasted!

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Sabbath represents so many sacred things.... Ozzy is the perfect metal singer... see to me Dio's voice doesn't say metal. It says opera. It even has an almost jazzy feel to it. He is undoubtedly good singer, but I don't necessarily think that good singing makes for a better metal band. He's too polished for me. Too melodic. Iommi is an innovator and really made a huge mark on the music world with Ozzy.

In reply to this comment by enoch:
bah..sabbath was not only my first love but my first concert.never say die 1978.i love ozzy,loved sabbath's first 5 albums from front to back but you gotta give dio some credit.his ability to sing a far greater range than Ozzy let Iommi show what he could REALLY do.the last concert i saw from sabbath was born again.that was sad night,not that sabbath sucked, ian gillan was superb..no..it was the fact that almost the whole civic center was there for quiet riot.how sad is that?

Yeah the fact that the original speech was already melodic I think helps a lot.

One of the best modern technical death metal bands. Although I generally find most technical death metal bands too overly infused in detail, intricacy, technicality and somewhat lacking melodic integrity and coherence as a result.

EDIT - Actually, instead of just listing it, I'll copy out my descriptions of them too since I already wrote this up for another forum:


1. The Flashbulb - Soundtrack to a Vacant Life | Instrumental | 4.5/5

Simply put, a seamless, sweeping epic of genres that dabbles in everything from sombre piano ballads, to upbeat flamenco, caustic electronica, serene ambience, rhythmic percussive tribal drum sections and haunting string sections, imposing every possible emotion on the listener. If anything, the sole weakness is that the rough 2-3 minute length of each of the 31 songs means they don't work so effectively as standalone compositions but as verses in a protracted poem, making the idea of listening to the entirety of it a tad daunting.


2. Protest The Hero - Fortress | Progressive Metal | 4.5/5

Metal that while relatively intricate yet melodic enough and hell, catchy enough to avoid divulging into incomprehensible technical wankery. Lyrics abound with references to goddesses and dethroned kings but it's decidedly tongue in cheek. Perhaps the biggest weaknesses resides in a lack of coherence, a tendency for the album to mesh together as a string of riffs, with little sense of a recurring chorus or verses within songs, but then you can take that as a plus depending on how you look at it. Besides that and a couple of immensely obnoxious vocal lines it's a pretty solid effort all around.


3. Blue Sky Black Death - Late Night Cinema | Instrumental Trip-hop | 4.5/5

One of the least expected surprises this year for me, partly because I generally despise anything that relates in any way to hip-hop or remixes yet I was sold on first listen. It’s just such a supremely chilled out but simultaneously melodically multilayered album which weaves hip-hop/trip-hop styling with a fairly significant utilisation of violins, trumpets, keyboards and an organ, capping it off with a distinct jazz tinge.


4. In Mourning - Shrowded Divine | Melodic Death Metal | 4/5

Genre-wise they’re probably best described as melodic death metal based but with progressive and doom influenced sections, reminiscent of Opeth, but not exactly the same. I initially junked this when I first picked it up but it’s grown on me immensely since then. There’s nothing immediately about them that sticks out as particularly impressive, the riffs aren’t all too complex, the melody isn’t overly diverse. If anything the drumming is quite good and both the harsh and clean vocals are solid. Nevertheless they clearly have a knack for creating memorable melody lines, and many minor touches such as the use juxtaposed clean and harsh vocals of essentially the same lines, coupled with a number of sexy breakdowns and a consistently bleak and permeating tone really make this album memorable in some indescribable way.


5. Transcending Bizarre? - The Serpent's Manifolds | Avant-Garde Black Metal | 4/5

Typical black metal brain mashing, but nicely broken up by violin sections to prevent migraines! Again it really feels like this band just clicks, but that not to say they can’t put out some impressively melodic riffs, and solos or bring it intensity-wise. In terms of criticism, there’s probably too much reliance on violin for a metal album, but that’s a very subjective disparagement, also a select few sections drag a bit ... oh and the intro is obnoxious and highly skipable. Oh and keyboards, oh the humanity! Run for the hills!


6. Thrice - The Alchemy Index - Vol.3 & 4 Air & Earth | Experimental Rock | 4/5

Partially successful but suffers from issues strangely distinct from the first two volumes. Whereas the first two could perhaps be argued to have taken the element concepts too literally both melodically and lyric-wise, this time around there are fairly tentative connections to the elements. With Air there’s simply a heavy use of reverb and echo to create the impression of an expansive soundscape, among a number of other tricks; whereas Earth is merely embodied by heavy use of stripped back and stark acoustic guitar with an American folk grounding. In all, neither really captures the concept as effectively as the haphazard, chaotic, distorting Fire; and if anything the biggest weakness of Air is it doesn’t distance it enough from the seeping smoothness that characterised Water to offer anything particularly distinctive. All in all it still remains an intriguing unconventional attempt with a number of standout songs, particularly the sonnets that outro each of the volumes oddly enough, led by consistently strong vocals.


7. Bar Kokhba Sextet - Lucifer The Book of Angels - Vol. 10 | Jazz | 4/5

I'm not really qualified to comment on or critique jazz as I'm very much a neophyte to it, but this is some excellent stuff.


8. Lights Out Asia - Eyes Like Brontide | Post Rock | 4/5

To me the main element any post rock effort needs to really be effective is a pervasive, consistent atmosphere, which this album abounds with. It doesn't fall into clichés such as blasting you into submission by badgering you with volume changes, or an over reliance on monotonous arpeggios, but builds upon subtle layers of sound to create a vast, rich soundscape of echoing guitars, staccato electronica beats and fleeting vocals.


9. Opeth - Watershed | Progressive Death Metal | 4/5

Disappointingly inconsistent by their standards, but still a pretty solid album all around. Some songs definitely drag massively, and certain parts sound technically overindulging and tiresome particularly the outro to Burden. On the other hand in my humble opinion it also has some of the best songs they have written, the way the progressive acoustic guitar section fades in and out in Porcelain Heart for example is seamlessly mesmerising, Hessian Peel is almost equally memorable. Regardless this is no Blackwater Park unfortunately.


10. Mutyumu - Ilya | Post Rock | 4/5

Post rock doesn't really give this band justice. It's like an odd mix of opera and hardcore Japanese vocals, with heavily piano reliant post rock grounding. Awesome? Somewhat. Half the time its carried by stirring complex but seemingly effortless piano and string sections unfolding at a blistering pace coupled with occasional strangely effective hushed murmurs, yet the other half of the time it cascades into almost unbearable droning repetition. Now given that, Prayer is damn well one of the best post rock songs I have ever heard and it really is a pity that the rest of the album wasn’t equally brilliant. I probably overrate this a tad too but well ... goshdarnit it’s all gotta be about job creation and shoring up our economy.

No worries. Some people like to act like I think I'm holier than thou because I've been to Iraq. It's just the way it came across.

I'll take a look for you.

In reply to this comment by poolcleaner:
No, but you're awfully hostile towards one who admits his faults as perceived by others in a humorous attempt at 1. Making a friend, and 2. Pleading for assistance.

I have this terrible fault where I like everyone. (I have to say that up front, otherwise people -- and it's happened, I have had a gun pointed at me just for saying hi (imagine that?) -- because people misunderstand my intentions -- which are good, I assure you.) Can't help it, I simply like everyone. Sorry if I offended you -- I tend to do that, BUT I make up for my somewhat nonsensical, confrontational, salutatory nature by smiling, laughing A LOT and being melodically paranoid about every idea I've ever learned.

'Course, it's difficult for me to articulate that aspect of my being, so I simply say whatever's on the top of my mind combined with whatever ails me, and hope (pray?) that I'm not misunderstood. Luckily it's the internets, so I (hopefully) won't get shot over a misunderstanding. (That is entirely hypothetical, and has no bearing on you being a marine -- hell, I live in a mixed military family: marines, air force and navy, so worry not. I respect you for it, though I myself wish never to do battle.)

However! I still wish for your friendship AND help. Sorry. Apologies. (I was intrigued by your profile, so that explains that... I think. /end parenthetical

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I'm sorry? Was that some attempt at an insult?

In reply to this comment by poolcleaner:
My Google-fu is poorly developed, I like insulting Christians, and I've never been to Iraq, so, please, Mr. Gunrock, help a stupid person find this video.

In reply to this comment by MarineGunrock:
On here.

No, but you're awfully hostile towards one who admits his faults as perceived by others in a humorous attempt at 1. Making a friend, and 2. Pleading for assistance.

I have this terrible fault where I like everyone. (I have to say that up front, otherwise people -- and it's happened, I have had a gun pointed at me just for saying hi (imagine that?) -- because people misunderstand my intentions -- which are good, I assure you.) Can't help it, I simply like everyone. Sorry if I offended you -- I tend to do that, BUT I make up for my somewhat nonsensical, confrontational, salutatory nature by smiling, laughing A LOT and being melodically paranoid about every idea I've ever learned.

'Course, it's difficult for me to articulate that aspect of my being, so I simply say whatever's on the top of my mind combined with whatever ails me, and hope (pray?) that I'm not misunderstood. Luckily it's the internets, so I (hopefully) won't get shot over a misunderstanding. (That is entirely hypothetical, and has no bearing on you being a marine -- hell, I live in a mixed military family: marines, air force and navy, so worry not. I respect you for it, though I myself wish never to do battle.)

However! I still wish for your friendship AND help. Sorry. Apologies. (I was intrigued by your profile, so that explains that... I think. /end parenthetical

In reply to this comment by MarineGunrock:
I'm sorry? Was that some attempt at an insult?

In reply to this comment by poolcleaner:
My Google-fu is poorly developed, I like insulting Christians, and I've never been to Iraq, so, please, Mr. Gunrock, help a stupid person find this video.

In reply to this comment by MarineGunrock:
On here.

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You even have some solfege to use as a melodic motif: mi, ti (or te), la and... nibiyabi had to screw it up (like he always does). I guess you could use the 4 syllables as a rhythmic motif.

>> ^lavoll:
hmmm, i should compose a victory theme (for the four of us). any suggestions for a name for the theme? and i guess it should be in a conan'esque style
give me some hours and i'll see what i have

This post will help you distinguish between good death metal and bad death metal. And before I go off making fun of any bands, I'll stop myself because I could post all day. And It wouldn't be fair. Once you get past the vocals of a band even as terrible as cannibal corpse, you can see the talent and sheer brutality that goes into even their music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOb6JSQd-Qw

Bad Death Metal:

Anything with guttural vocals that lacks true talent and is lyrically and substantively rediculous and on the surface of things.

Good Death Metal:

You'll find here:

A list of well known Death Metal bands that range from being old and new, technical to somewhat melodic, although I avoided any Melodic Death Metal. I listen to all sorts of Good Metal, and am constantly finding new bands from all over the globe that play under it's diverse and well followed umbrella of styles, people, and sounds.

Ackercocke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh2ZQ6YgOJM

Necrophagist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA4oq7DBU8E

Death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i38m-xGX7io

Origin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIMW0aHN0ks

Cephalic Carnage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM1yhU0dBFM

Bolt Thrower
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNO6ExX9Nl0

Atheist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vh7KOlWrHk

Cynic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5VzbQQEQo0

Carcass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7lP30tSZF0

Meshuggah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc98u-eGzlc

Martyr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOfa0kCRlgU

Nice melodic *rocknroll
The album
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_of_the_Grey_Lantern
provides a good listening experience as well..

I think artsy CAN be good, but only when it means "original AND good music" rather than just "original music." Just because something's different doesn't mean it's good, which is a sad fact that seems to get overlooked in the pursuit of "art" and "originality." However, if you can get the art and originality and still sound fucking awesome, it's way better than just sounding good by itself, because it has way more impact.

For Japanese music, I'd STRONGLY recommend the pillows, as they're my favorite band ever in general. If you want something a little more indie, I know a lot of pretty sick bands, such as Ling Tosite Sigure/rin toshite shigure/凛として時雨 (lol just for searching convenience) that you could give a try (Ling has AWESOME guitar work, but reaaaaaaaally shrill vocals...it's kind of a tradeoff).

Japan is aight. I love the food, and I've gotten to see some great concerts (four of them, to be precise) while I've been here, but I'm headed back in one week, and am pretty much feeling it's time to do so. I need to get some work in before the semester starts so I have some money lol.

In reply to this comment by RedSky:
Wow you know what, I completely missed the fact you replied to my comment such fail. Hmm, listened to AKFG a while ago and wasn't really a big fan but I'll check out the rest. ... but, but artsy is good no but I agree, they need to bring some of the crazy riffage of old back, although I remember them saying in an interview somewhere around the time they released Vheissu that they felt they go too burnt on heavy music and were trying to stray away from that, or something along those lines.

Also, what's it like living in Japan?



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the pillows, Asian Kung-fu Generation, Ellegarden, etc. I just saw Ellegarden at Kyouto Taisakusen, it was SO FUCKING GOOD. I'm not sure how to describe it other than I've never been to such an intense concert.

Yeah, I love the acoustic songs! Stare at the Sun acoustic is reallllly tight too. I wish they'd go back to their roots a bit though and stop trying to be artsy with the whole elements theme going on. Nothing good ever comes from being artsy. .____.

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Which Japanese bands? I'm more or less slowly turning into a weaboo anyway

Yeah, I love Melting Point of Wax, So Strange I Remember You especially as well as virtually anything on Vheissu. I&II was fairly good, thought they captured water brilliantly, Night Diving especially with the way they conveyed dripping water, and the tranquility of deep sea diving. Fire, eh not so much. Could see they were going for a sense of chaos and distortion but just didn't feel like it came together melodically, Flame Deluge was excellent though. Agree Red Sky EP was excellent, especially their acoustic renditions, particularly Of Dust and Nations, really wish they'd do more of them.

In reply to this comment by JAPR:
Yeah, I've heard a few of the songs, but haven't really gotten around to checking it out fully, for some reason. Been too busy with new releases from my favorite Japanese bands, I guess. I thought Alchemy Index vols. I and II was pretty solid, with some tight songs, but definitely not quite up to par with the other stuff. Still, "not up to par with the other stuff" still translates to "pretty damn good," so I can't really complain too much in that department.

I wish they had a music video for T&C, A Torch to End All Torches, Melting Point of Wax, or So Strange I Remember you, because it's always hard to find truly good live videos of songs like that. I was very surprised to see them release Red Sky on that EP thing, but totally dug the coupling tracks.

In reply to this comment by RedSky:
Heh, yeah it was a bit of a giveaway before, now it's more subtle

Reminds me, I still gotta sift that song too Pity that they never released their better songs as singles though.

Sample the album on their myspace if you want, it's not anything groundbreaking by all means but still a solid album all around. Not nearly as good as Vheissu but still, have to give them props for branching out and experimenting with different styles.

Wow you know what, I completely missed the fact you replied to my comment such fail. Hmm, listened to AKFG a while ago and wasn't really a big fan but I'll check out the rest. ... but, but artsy is good no but I agree, they need to bring some of the crazy riffage of old back, although I remember them saying in an interview somewhere around the time they released Vheissu that they felt they go too burnt on heavy music and were trying to stray away from that, or something along those lines.

Also, what's it like living in Japan?



In reply to this comment by JAPR:
the pillows, Asian Kung-fu Generation, Ellegarden, etc. I just saw Ellegarden at Kyouto Taisakusen, it was SO FUCKING GOOD. I'm not sure how to describe it other than I've never been to such an intense concert.

Yeah, I love the acoustic songs! Stare at the Sun acoustic is reallllly tight too. I wish they'd go back to their roots a bit though and stop trying to be artsy with the whole elements theme going on. Nothing good ever comes from being artsy. .____.

In reply to this comment by RedSky:
Which Japanese bands? I'm more or less slowly turning into a weaboo anyway

Yeah, I love Melting Point of Wax, So Strange I Remember You especially as well as virtually anything on Vheissu. I&II was fairly good, thought they captured water brilliantly, Night Diving especially with the way they conveyed dripping water, and the tranquility of deep sea diving. Fire, eh not so much. Could see they were going for a sense of chaos and distortion but just didn't feel like it came together melodically, Flame Deluge was excellent though. Agree Red Sky EP was excellent, especially their acoustic renditions, particularly Of Dust and Nations, really wish they'd do more of them.

In reply to this comment by JAPR:
Yeah, I've heard a few of the songs, but haven't really gotten around to checking it out fully, for some reason. Been too busy with new releases from my favorite Japanese bands, I guess. I thought Alchemy Index vols. I and II was pretty solid, with some tight songs, but definitely not quite up to par with the other stuff. Still, "not up to par with the other stuff" still translates to "pretty damn good," so I can't really complain too much in that department.

I wish they had a music video for T&C, A Torch to End All Torches, Melting Point of Wax, or So Strange I Remember you, because it's always hard to find truly good live videos of songs like that. I was very surprised to see them release Red Sky on that EP thing, but totally dug the coupling tracks.

In reply to this comment by RedSky:
Heh, yeah it was a bit of a giveaway before, now it's more subtle

Reminds me, I still gotta sift that song too Pity that they never released their better songs as singles though.

Sample the album on their myspace if you want, it's not anything groundbreaking by all means but still a solid album all around. Not nearly as good as Vheissu but still, have to give them props for branching out and experimenting with different styles.