Actually RadHazG, you're right and wrong from my understanding. Yes she was covert, the following quote from General Hayden, head of the CIA, was read into testimony at a House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

---During her employment at the CIA, Ms. Wilson was undercover. Her employment status with the CIA was classified information, prohibited from disclosure under Executive Order 12958.

At the time of the publication of Robert Novak's column on July 14, 2003, Ms. Wilson's CIA employment status was covert. This was classified information.---

Keyword search of the following should turn up the relevant section for that quote. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/plame/plame_transcript_031607.html

In the sentencing memo used in the Libby trial she is also referred to as covert repeatedly. Link to that here, though it's a large PDF file so be aware. My understanding is that she was what's called NOC or Non-Official Cover. Those are the ones who don't even have the protection of diplomatic immunity and that's why the CIA was pissed about this.

http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/files/libby_governments_sentencing_memo.pdf

Libby wasn't going to do time over outing her though, that was over two counts of perjury, one count of obstruction and one of lying to the FBI to block the investigation. The outing I'm not sure we're at the bottom of yet, they say Armitage played a key role in it but nothing I've seen there explains why Libby would have lied. There's something we're missing still I think.

Quantum,
I don't suppose you'd care to elaborate on that particular note? To simply state such an overt opinion and not explain yourself, especially on such an impassioned speech makes it seem as if you did not even fully understand what the speech was about.

I voted for bush, I'll admit it. I've even defended several of his questionable decisions, even though I was over in the Gulf myself at the time. To my knowledge, Mr. Libby's supposed "crime" about revealing in identity of a CIA member wasn't necessarily a crime at all, because the CIA member wasn't even an agent. They were not someone who was in deep cover, if anyone wanted to find out who they were, it would be a simple matter of looking them up.

Perhaps I'm wrong about what happened with the CIA member and Mr. Libby, but the very fact that Bush would release that man from jail before the appeals process had even started is against everything this justice system was created for. It is in a word : wrong. To the very core of the word.

Present your facts sir, I read with an open mind.

Well, I'll for one say I don't care that much about her. Who "outed" her is still a matter of debate and Libby got prosecuted for something almost unrelated. Honestly though, after hearing her speak and her idiot husband, and the media, and the debates. She seemed barely "covert" in the first place and it's been said many times that "outing" her at the time that she was outed was in fact, legal. Libby was an idiot and lied about it, and got prosecuted for lying. lol. Ironically, if he'd told the truth, he'd be a free man.
And if you're in a mood of conservative bashing, I'd take a moment to remember a certain person who snuck classified intelligence documents out of the office in his shirt and hid them so he could destroy them later. ahem. lol. I'll tell ya, ALL politicians are corrupt. pathetic.

And k8, btw, siting a book written by the husband isn't going to convince anyone. hehe.

CP,

I agree, both parties are corrupt. That moron Cindy Sheehan has finally realized that the dems have no balls, but lots of promises. That's why there needs to be at least a *real* third party. I finally had to join one of the two parties in order to be able to vote in state primaries. Prior to that my convictions were with the Libertarians. I just see too much bias here, clearly an "Us vs. Them" mentality. I can't wait to see some William Jefferon videos on here...but guess what? It's not gonna happen. But, there'll be plenty of "Scooter" Libby stories.

So the left will support organizations to produce anti-right propaganda and the right will steal election...guess who's winning? You and I lose. So they'll both try to find a way to allow illegal immigration to continue to get the "latino" vote. We lose again.

With the advantage of the current mess in the middle east, if the dems cannot present a clear agenda other than "pull the troops out" than they are in trouble. The cannot win by just saying about how bad the current administration is. It's just not good enough. We'll see...

Anti-semitism is a big problem in the Islamic world. I have experienced it myself first hand. There are three major causes of this anti-semitism. Firstly, many corrupt rulers indulge and often encourage hatred of the Jews and Israel in order to deflect criticism away from their own corrupt and cruel regimes. Secondly, in many countries the relevant areas of history and politics are excluded from the educational syllabuses, and the public debate of important and contentious political issues is restricted. Thirdly, the single greatest factor contributing to anti-semitism is that for over fifty years we have seen the Israelis oppress the Palestinians - including daily humiliation, terrorism and murder and a concerted effort to steal Palestinian land and annex Jerusalem. People need to learn that they can be strong supporters of Palestinian independence and strong critics of Israeli government policy without resorting to anti-semitism or calling for the destruction of Israel. Criticising Israeli government policy is NOT anti-semitic.

MEMRI TV - A WARNING:

In my daily trawl through YouTube I have encountered many videos from the following site: Memri TV This website only shows the very worst of the Islamic world - radical fringe preachers with little or no public support, unobjective critics of America and Israel, anti-semites, holocaust deniers, misogynists, etc. However, it presents these opinions as if they are widely held, rarely questioned, and representative of the Islamic world. Further more - and this is particularly worrying - the site often mistranslates, or takes out of context, what major Islamic leaders are saying in order to make them seem more extreme and bigotted. The site uses an Arabic title and icon in order to try and disguise its real agenda.

Who are Memri? They send out their videos to all senators and congressmen, and all mainstream media, so we should really know something about them!

MEMRI was founded in 1998 by its president Yigal Carmon, a retired colonel from Israeli military intelligence, and the academic Dr. Meyrav Wurmser. Meyrav Wurmser and her husband David Wurmser were both co authors of A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel) which was the precursor for the Wolfowitz doctrine- which led to PNAC - Project for the New American Century. Dr. Meyrav Wurmser received her doctorate at George Washington University, by researching the life and works of Vladimir Jabotinsky, the founder of Revisionist Zionism. Her husband David Wurmser works directly under Vice President Dick Cheney and his chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby. It was David Wurmser that told Dick Cheney that Wilson's wife Plame was the one that sent Wilson to Niger.

MEMRI's headquarters are in Washington DC. It is a non-profit organization, exempt from taxation, that has private donors. MEMRI's largest donor is The Bradley Foundation. The Bradley Foundation has also provided funding for the Project for a New American Century (PNAC). PNAC brought together prominent members of the (George W) Bush Administration (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz) in the late 1990s to articulate their neoconservative foreign policy.

MEMRI TV - A WARNING:

In my daily trawl through YouTube I have encountered many videos from Memri TV. This website only shows the very worst of the Islamic world - radical fringe preachers with little or no public support, unobjective critics of America and Israel, anti-semites, holocaust deniers, misogynists, etc. However, it presents these opinions as if they are widely held, rarely questioned, and representative of the Islamic world. Further more - and this is particularly worrying - the site often mistranslates, or takes out of context, what major Islamic leaders are saying in order to make them seem more extreme and bigotted. The site uses an Arabic title and icon in order to try and disguise its real agenda.

Who are Memri? They send out their videos to all senators and congressmen, and all mainstream media, so we should really know something about them!

MEMRI was founded in 1998 by its president Yigal Carmon, a retired colonel from Israeli military intelligence, and the academic Dr. Meyrav Wurmser. Meyrav Wurmser and her husband David Wurmser were both co authors of A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel) which was the precursor for the Wolfowitz doctrine- which led to PNAC - Project for the New American Century. Dr. Meyrav Wurmser received her doctorate at George Washington University, by researching the life and works of Vladimir Jabotinsky, the founder of Revisionist Zionism. Her husband David Wurmser works directly under Vice President Dick Cheney and his chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby. It was David Wurmser that told Dick Cheney that Wilson's wife Plame was the one that sent Wilson to Niger.

MEMRI's headquarters are in Washington DC. It is a non-profit organization, exempt from taxation, that has private donors. MEMRI's largest donor is The Bradley Foundation. The Bradley Foundation has also provided funding for the Project for a New American Century (PNAC). PNAC brought together prominent members of the (George W) Bush Administration (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz) in the late 1990s to articulate their neoconservative foreign policy.

Firstly - this is a dupe - http://www.videosift.com/video/The-clash-we-are-witnessing-around-the-world-is-not-a-clash-of-religions

While the women in the video may have some good points to make she resorts to simplistic generalities and ill-informed comments. For example, although we haven't seen Jews blow themselves up, for over fifty years we have seen the Israelis oppress the Palestinians - including daily humiliation, terrorism and murder and a concerted effort to steal Palestinian land and annex Jerusalem. This is just as appalling as the acts of a person forced to blow themselves up out of desperation.

Free Palestine - حرﺓ‎‎‎ فلسطين

MEMRI TV - A WARNING:

In my daily trawl through YouTube I have encountered many videos from Memri TV. This website only shows the very worst of the Islamic world - radical fringe preachers with little or no public support, unobjective critics of America and Israel, anti-semites, holocaust deniers, misogynists, etc. However, it presents these opinions as if they are widely held, rarely questioned, and representative of the Islamic world. Further more - and this is particularly worrying - the site often mistranslates, or takes out of context, what major Islamic leaders are saying in order to make them seem more extreme and bigotted. The site uses an Arabic title and icon in order to try and disguise its real agenda.

Who are Memri? They send out their videos to all senators and congressmen, and all mainstream media, so we should really know something about them!

MEMRI was founded in 1998 by its president Yigal Carmon, a retired colonel from Israeli military intelligence, and the academic Dr. Meyrav Wurmser. Meyrav Wurmser and her husband David Wurmser were both co authors of A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel) which was the precursor for the Wolfowitz doctrine- which led to PNAC - Project for the New American Century. Dr. Meyrav Wurmser received her doctorate at George Washington University, by researching the life and works of Vladimir Jabotinsky, the founder of Revisionist Zionism. Her husband David Wurmser works directly under Vice President Dick Cheney and his chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby. It was David Wurmser that told Dick Cheney that Wilson's wife Plame was the one that sent Wilson to Niger.

MEMRI's headquarters are in Washington DC. It is a non-profit organization, exempt from taxation, that has private donors. MEMRI's largest donor is The Bradley Foundation. The Bradley Foundation has also provided funding for the Project for a New American Century (PNAC). PNAC brought together prominent members of the (George W) Bush Administration (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz) in the late 1990s to articulate their neoconservative foreign policy.

Important part from Wikipedia:
Card is known to have headed the White House Iraq Group (WHIG), whose members include Karl Rove, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Condoleezza Rice, Karen Hughes and Mary Matalin. This group is known for controlling public relations for the Iraq War.


In March 2004 Card tried to convince Attorney General John D. Ashcroft to reauthorize a domestic surveillance program, which the Justice Department had just determined was illegal. Ashcroft lay ill in an intensive-care unit when Card and White House Counsel Alberto R. Gonzales urged him to sign the papers. Ashcroft refused. [4]

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/city_region/breaking_news/2007/05/umass_protestor.html

While the women in the video may have some good points to make - and in fact I'm pretty certain she is referring only to the Taliban and not to the entire Muslim world as some would like us to believe - she also resorts to simplistic generalities and ill-informed comments. For example, although we haven't seen Jews blow themselves up, for over fifty years we have seen the Israelis oppress the Palestinians - including daily humiliation, terrorism and murder and a concerted effort to steal Palestinian land and annex Jerusalem. This is just as appalling as the acts of a person forced to blow themselves up out of desperation.

MEMRI TV - A WARNING:

In my daily trawl through YouTube I have encountered many videos from Memri TV. This website only shows the very worst of the Islamic world - radical fringe preachers with little or no public support, unobjective critics of America and Israel, anti-semites, holocaust deniers, misogynists, etc. However, it presents these opinions as if they are widely held, rarely questioned, and representative of the Islamic world. Further more - and this is particularly worrying - the site often mistranslates, or takes out of context, what major Islamic leaders are saying in order to make them seem more extreme and bigotted. The site uses an Arabic title and icon in order to try and disguise its real agenda.

Who are Memri? They send out their videos to all senators and congressmen, and all mainstream media, so we should really know something about them!

MEMRI was founded in 1998 by its president Yigal Carmon, a retired colonel from Israeli military intelligence, and the academic Dr. Meyrav Wurmser. Meyrav Wurmser and her husband David Wurmser were both co authors of A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel) which was the precursor for the Wolfowitz doctrine- which led to PNAC - Project for the New American Century. Dr. Meyrav Wurmser received her doctorate at George Washington University, by researching the life and works of Vladimir Jabotinsky, the founder of Revisionist Zionism. Her husband David Wurmser works directly under Vice President Dick Cheney and his chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby. It was David Wurmser that told Dick Cheney that Wilson's wife Plame was the one that sent Wilson to Niger.

MEMRI's headquarters are in Washington DC. It is a non-profit organization, exempt from taxation, that has private donors. MEMRI's largest donor is The Bradley Foundation. The Bradley Foundation has also provided funding for the Project for a New American Century (PNAC). PNAC brought together prominent members of the (George W) Bush Administration (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz) in the late 1990s to articulate their neoconservative foreign policy.

The simple fact is that QM has never attempted to offer a balanced or objective view of the Islamic world in any of his/her posts or comments and has only resorted to crude name calling and ill-informed stereotypes and generalities. The title of the this video is grossly misleading - by calling your video 'the truth about the present condition of Islam' you seek to paint all Muslims and the entire Islamic world as backward and unthinking. There are billions of Muslims in this world from hundreds of countries who speak thousands of languages. The Islamic world is incredibly diverse incorporating a plethora of cultures and traditions. The extremists and literalists are only a tiny drop in the ocean of modern Islam. They are unrepresentative, and have very little support. However people do support resistance against Israeli and American imperialism, and the vile dictatorships - propped up by America - that rule many Islamic states.

While the women in the video may have some good points to make - and in fact I'm pretty certain she is referring only to the Taliban and not to the entire Muslim world as you would like us to believe QM - she also resorts to simplistic generalities and ill-informed comments. For example, although we haven't seen Jews blow themselves up, for over fifty years we have seen the Israelis oppress the Palestinians - including daily humiliation, terrorism and murder and a concerted effort to steal Palestinian land and annex Jerusalem. This is just as appalling as the acts of a person forced to blow themselves up out of desperation.

MEMRI TV - A WARNING:

In my daily trawl through YouTube I have encountered many videos from Memri TV. This website only shows the very worst of the Islamic world - radical fringe preachers with little or no public support, unobjective critics of America and Israel, anti-semites, holocaust deniers, misogynists, etc. However, it presents these opinions as if they are widely held, rarely questioned, and representative of the Islamic world. Further more - and this is particularly worrying - the site often mistranslates, or takes out of context, what major Islamic leaders are saying in order to make them seem more extreme and bigotted. The site uses an Arabic title and icon in order to try and disguise its real agenda.

Who are Memri? They send out their videos to all senators and congressmen, and all mainstream media, so we should really know something about them!

MEMRI was founded in 1998 by its president Yigal Carmon, a retired colonel from Israeli military intelligence, and the academic Dr. Meyrav Wurmser. Meyrav Wurmser and her husband David Wurmser were both co authors of A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel) which was the precursor for the Wolfowitz doctrine- which led to PNAC - Project for the New American Century. Dr. Meyrav Wurmser received her doctorate at George Washington University, by researching the life and works of Vladimir Jabotinsky, the founder of Revisionist Zionism. Her husband David Wurmser works directly under Vice President Dick Cheney and his chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby. It was David Wurmser that told Dick Cheney that Wilson's wife Plame was the one that sent Wilson to Niger.

MEMRI's headquarters are in Washington DC. It is a non-profit organization, exempt from taxation, that has private donors. MEMRI's largest donor is The Bradley Foundation. The Bradley Foundation has also provided funding for the Project for a New American Century (PNAC). PNAC brought together prominent members of the (George W) Bush Administration (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz) in the late 1990s to articulate their neoconservative foreign policy.

Firstly - I think everyone finds the idea of a man being entitled to beat his wife cruel and wrong - me included. Unfortunately there are people who practice and advocate domestic violence and abuse in all societies and they are all scum.

Secondly - I object to the title of this video. This video has nothing to do with Allah or his message. The detestable views of the imam in question are a product of classical Islamic manuals of fiqh (Islamic law) which owe as much to general status of women in medieval societies dominated by men as they do to the Qur'an and Sunnah. Such objectionable views on the treatment of women are rejected by most modern Islamic scholars. Typically the scholars who advocate such views are literalists who are obsessed with the external observance of faith and enforcing a system of Islamic law which reflects the misogynist nature of their states. They ignore the higher goals of Islamic law (maqasid al-Shari'ah) in their desire to force people to submit to an inflexible and homogenous interpretation of the Qur'an and the Sunnah which has much more to do with preserving the status quo and the traditional paternalistic power hierarchy than trying to live according to the teachings of Allah.

Thirdly - In my daily trawl through YouTube I have encountered many videos from Memri TV. This website only shows the very worst of the Islamic world - radical fringe preachers with little or no public support, unobjective critics of America and Israel, anti-semites, holocaust deniers, misogynists, etc. However, it presents these opinions as if they are widely held, rarely questioned, and representative of the Islamic world. Further more - and this is particularly worrying - the site often mistranslates, or takes out of context, what major Islamic leaders are saying in order to make them seem more extreme and bigotted. The site uses an Arabic title and icon in order to try and disguise its real agenda.

Who are Memri? They send out their videos to all senators and congressmen, and all mainstream media, so we should really know something about them!

MEMRI was founded in 1998 by its president Yigal Carmon, a retired colonel from Israeli military intelligence, and the academic Dr. Meyrav Wurmser. Meyrav Wurmser and her husband David Wurmser were both co authors of A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel) which was the precursor for the Wolfowitz doctrine- which led to PNAC - Project for the New American Century. Dr. Meyrav Wurmser received her doctorate at George Washington University, by researching the life and works of Vladimir Jabotinsky, the founder of Revisionist Zionism. Her husband David Wurmser works directly under Vice President Dick Cheney and his chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby. It was David Wurmser that told Dick Cheney that Wilson's wife Plame was the one that sent Wilson to Niger.

MEMRI's headquarters are in Washington DC. It is a non-profit organization, exempt from taxation, that has private donors. MEMRI's largest donor is The Bradley Foundation. The Bradley Foundation has also provided funding for the Project for a New American Century (PNAC). PNAC brought together prominent members of the (George W) Bush Administration (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz) in the late 1990s to articulate their neoconservative foreign policy.

Libby Holman is the singer of this video. She was a famous (Broadway) singer and actress of the early 1930's. She married RJ Reynolds Tobacco heir, Zachary Smith Reynolds. Reynolds was shot and killed in 1932, Libby charged with his murder. Charges were later dropped by the Reynolds Family. Libby led a scadalous life till she comitted suicide in 1973.

Scooter Libby is the fall guy. Karl Rove and Dick Cheney are the two people who should be hanged. This is a scandal far, far beyond any previous Presidential scandal - in the words of John Dean's book "Worse Than Watergate". In Joe Wilson's book, he mentions that there is a wall of honor in the lobby of CIA headquarters, a wall covered with gold stars, each honoring a life lost in service. There are no names under the stars. Even in _death_ the identity of these people is a secret! Not only was Valerie Plame Wilson's entire career sacrificed in a fit of political pique, but all of her sources were sacrificed as well. She worked in the absolutely vital area of "nuclear non-proliferation"...her job was trying to keep nukes out of the hands of dictators! She specialized in the Middle East, trying to keep Iran from getting a nuke. Instead, her entire carefully built cover gets blown by Dick Cheney at the urging of Karl Rove (this is exactly the sort of dirty trick that exemplifies Rove's entire career).

By the way - where are Videosift's "conservitive" trolls on this one? C'mon quantummushroom! Smear Valerie Plame Wilson! Defend this administration's destruction of someone who actually was working to keep our nation, and the entire world, safe from nuclear terrorism all so they could justify attacking the one tinpot dictator that we knew DIDN'T have an active nuclear program! I dare you! I double dare you!

Loose lips sink ships? More like they hung her and her network out to dry. I think that the scooter libby (what a name)should be hanged.

I don't disagree with any of your assertions, but I don't think an investigation into the intelligence will end up with anything prosecutable.

I mean, look at the Libby case - there are breaches of ethics all over the place, but that isn't against the law, unfortunately.

In the end, the White House duped the Democrats in Congress, the media, and the American public as a whole, so the blame lies partly with their/our inaction and inability to call them out on their bullshit.

And as has been pointed out many times, an impeachment of Bush or Cheney still leaves you with one or the other. There's simply no getting rid of them until 2008, when I pray to God the public holds the Republicans responsible.