prove it, using a source that isn't fox news or some pathetic right wing blog.

no, your sister didn't get dropped, they can't turn away people anymore. It's on the greedy insurance companies, not Obama, quit blaming him and stop defending the people who are stealing your money while your sister gets sick.

You hate it when we blame bush, so take some of your own medicine. Obama did not shoot your dog, Obama did not come into your home and touch your stuff. Obama did not personally rip up your sisters insurance plan.

blame the greedy insurance companies who are getting rich off of your perpetual ignorance

We wanted single payer like the rest of the civilized world. It was the republicans that cried and whined like babies because their insurance lobbyist friends were upset they might not be able to afford that 2nd yacht. We're the ones that believe that people shouldn't be living like kings while the rest of us get sick.

And this is all just assuming you're not a gigantic paid shill for the Koch Brothers.

@enoch, to me free market means free exchange between two people or two parties that's mutually beneficial without coercion. I think some disingenuous people have done a great job conflating free markets with corporations and the Koch brothers.

I think most libertarians who want to deregulate markets understand that also means we have to stop giving corporations special subsidies and limited liability protections that create unfair markets to begin with. There really is a major different between the small "l" libertarian belief in free markets and what you're talking about, I think.

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Hey, isn't part of this "economic freedom" all about increasing profits for the wealthiest and driving down wages of the poorest in our own country by exploiting the cheap labor in those countries at the bottom of the charts?
Where do I sign up?! Oh wait, the Koch brothers already signed me up. Hmm...not feeling the positive benefits of this plan. Maybe once I find a permanent job after being played off last year when my job was outsourced. Yeah. Then I'm going to rake it in!

Oh by the way, all the citations in this Koch funded video are, from a Koch funded "think-tank" Why am I not surprised?

Also, I noticed that chart at 0:21 uses "average income per person" which is a highly misleading statistic. Using the median income per person is more reasonable, but that would fuckup their pretty pretty graphic.

Average income per person in the US is ~50k USD
Median income per person is ~26k USD

And yes, for the math impaired, for the average to be so much higher than the median means that the top end of income is incredible skewed.

@Yogi
exactly my man.

and i agree with you @VoodooV.
ignorant people are ignorant.
my point is that it is not ALL of them.

i can disagree with the politics of the tea party but i will not dismiss them.
at least not the ones co-opted by the koch brothers.
who are obvious when they enter discussions by the very words and terms they use to make their argument.

now THOSE people i dismiss.

i know this is rare but im with @bobknight33 in regards to the tea party.

when you understand how power reacts to social movements things become clear.

1.they ignore you
if that is unsuccessful?
2.they ridicule you.
and if creating a narrative that your movement is either a.batshit crazy or b.dumb as a box of rocks they
3.co-opt you

which is what the koch brothers did with americans for prosperity (sorry bob.these two douchebags dont give one fuck about you or your ideals)
and it was quite effective in taking all that frustration,anger and a desire to get the country back on track,and funneling that energy into the political process.
it worked extremely well.

but what many people do not know is that those who were co-opted were not EVERY person who identified as a tea partier,
many of those people saw what was going on and went in another direction.

you do not hear about them often because they do not have a few billionaires bankrolling the media to follow them around.

the occupy movement was treated in the exact same order.but they never got co-opted because they were set up in a much more amorphous and democratic way which made co-opting near impossible.
so the occupy movement made it to step:
4.intimidate,threaten and strong-arm.

a systematic tactical engagement to disperse the occupying people in the major cities where they were protesting.

and it worked.

but occupy is still around as is the tea party.
corporate media is just not covering them.

so this is the point i wish everybody to consider:

do you REALLY think the tea party was stupid,bigoted and a fundamental christian?
or that occupy was populated with unwashed hippies who didnt want to work but wanted the government to supply free food and strippers for all?

or is it more reasonable to assume that maybe a corporate media which is beholden to power created a narrative to set people against one another?

because ill tell ya what.
a tea party person has more in common with an occupy person than a wall street ceo or somebody at the white house.

there will be another movement.
and its gonna go global.
and i fear it will go to some very dark places that will be remembered for a long time in history.

people are waking up and they are not pleased.

I don't disagree about the snooping since 2001. As far as the koch brothers and the Tea Party, you don't know what the fuck your talking about.

They just want the Constitution follow or at least print current laws back towards it.

Instead of watching biased Democratic sucking media, go to an actual event .

They are not raciest, or the desire to go back to slavery as the media puts forth. . That's Bullshit. B.W.Y. the slavery shit and the KKK was the Democrat south doing its thing, not Republicans. MLK was Republican.


Today the Republican party is nothing more than a cheap intimation of the Democrat party. They will never win fighting that way. The Tea Party is they way to go.


FYI a little history ... Since you had a public education and hence only learned skewed left leaning revised history...


http://www.humanevents.com/2006/08/16/why-martin-luther-king-was-republican/

"
It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S’s: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism.

It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860s, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950s and 1960s.

During the civil rights era of the 1960s, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools. President Eisenhower also appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation. Much is made of Democrat President Harry Truman’s issuing an Executive Order in 1948 to desegregate the military. Not mentioned is the fact that it was Eisenhower who actually took action to effectively end segregation in the military.

Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act... And after he became President, Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph, who was a black Republican.

The Democrats were loosing the slavery battle and civil rights were breaking through and JFK/Johnson the

Given the circumstances of that era, it is understandable why Dr. King was a Republican. It was the Republicans who fought to free blacks from slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom (13th Amendment), citizenship (14th Amendment) and the right to vote (15th Amendment). Republicans passed the civil rights laws of the 1860s, including the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the Reconstruction Act of 1867 that was designed to establish a new government system in the Democrat-controlled South, one that was fair to blacks. Republicans also started the NAACP and affirmative action with Republican President Richard Nixon’s 1969 Philadelphia Plan (crafted by black Republican Art Fletcher) that set the nation’s fist goals and timetables. Although affirmative action now has been turned by the Democrats into an unfair quota system, affirmative action was begun by Nixon to counter the harm caused to blacks when Democrat President Woodrow Wilson in 1912 kicked all of the blacks out of federal government jobs.

Few black Americans know that it was Republicans who founded the Historically Black Colleges and Universities. Unknown also is the fact that Republican Sen. Everett Dirksen from Illinois was key to the passage of civil rights legislation in 1957, 1960, 1964 and 1965. Not mentioned in recent media stories about extension of the 1965 Voting Rights Act is the fact that Dirksen wrote the language for the bill. Dirksen also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing. President Lyndon Johnson could not have achieved passage of civil rights legislation without the support of Republicans."


Democrats are still in the slavery business. They just use the welfare system to keep the poor poor and use the shallow promise of If you vote Democrat we will keep giving you a little cheese.

The Democrat party has been the most destructive political party to date.

This has been going on since 2001 and probably earlier. The tea party is nothing more than a front for the koch brothers and although they may have some good ideas they don't operate independently. Also, I think the average tea partier gladly gave up these rights during the run up to war.

@jimnms, if you can't find a webpage on the internets that agrees with your preconception, you're not really trying. So because a right wing think tank cherry picks some data to pretend that more guns does not equal more death from guns, it does not make you right.

Here's a response suggesting your source is funded by the Koch brothers: http://cameronreilly.com/2012/12/17/guns-in-australia/

A right wing think tank (funded by the Kochs, naturally) recently ranked the states in order of 'freedom' and North Dakota came out on top. Reproductive rights were not factored in, unsurprisingly. I get the feeling the main factor the Kochs use to determine which state is more free is the speed in which they will bend over for multi-national corporations.

Jesus Heckler & Koch! ...predicted correctly as well the apologetic, self-pardoning tone in the description after I started this video, heard O'Relly and his steady stream of completely senile-sounding polemic of some goddamn Fantasy Candyland world where WHAT??! Cops serve warrants with the reasonable cause of ammo purchases? 1 bullet or a thousand you fucking moron talking-head douche. " the rare event of me agreeing with Bill" Give yourself another pat on the back there, Finster, of course this only reasonable moment of Bill-Zen for someone who agrees with the unending stream of bullshit I just heard?!

replying to the last poster: IT looks like you and-or your org is more on the GW-CC denier side or , as I read in an article, think that humans s/ engage in activities that wd ADAPT to the (presumed) inevitable global warming. That it wd be folly to try to affect such inevitable processes.

This thinking is lead by the first part - the lack of belief that GW CC is occurring primarily due to man's emitting carbon into the atmosphere that last few hundred years. If this is in doubt, then indeed the best thing to do is to try to adapt, However, if this is true, then we should try to change our carbon emitting ways. But the Koch Brothers ,Exxon, the richest company on the planet, and billions of dollars have another say about this - they will not go gently into the night, even if the night is blistering hot and sweaty. Why would entities such as these just willingly change everything they do, all the success and power they have ?


the following article says that the International Climate Science Coalition recvs funding from the conservative HEartland Institute which is for the status quo.
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/web-leak-shows-trail-of-climate-sceptic-funding-20120217-1tegk.html

Further, the following page says that the Coalition just mentioned is virtual only and does not occupy a place.
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=147

Every time I see the term "Koch Brothers" I have a vision of the Mario Brothers dressed like the Monopoly guy, grinning maniacally as they dual one another with their insanely giant penises. Anybody care to photoshop that up for me?

Yay! No insurance necessary-All i need is dental and a few organs an I'm STRAIGHT!
These Koch fellas need hospital time!