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Fuck The Poor

Yogi says...

Jim Norton had a joke along those lines, that there was a drug addict he was sponsoring that was going to see him, and take his cum.

ChaosEngine said:

Kinda like Louis CK imploring us to go fuck an ugly person! A laudable aim.

If you really want to help, you could fuck a poor person and then give them money afterwards!


I'm so going to hell for that one

Louis CK - DeBeers Artificially Creates Diamond Shortages.

Ricky Gervais and Jim Norton Discuss Rape Joke Controversy

Sotto_Voce says...

Yeah, Ricky, it does suck when silly people tweet you poorly thought out complaints about your jokes.

Meanwhile, after Lindy West debated Jim Norton on rape jokes, she was the target of literally hundreds of tweets and comments saying she should be raped (or that she wishes she was raped but unfortunately she's too ugly).

http://jezebel.com/if-comedy-has-no-lady-problem-why-am-i-getting-so-many-511214385

So excuse me if I don't have much sympathy to spare for the poor oppressed comedian complaining about how people are trying to take away his FREEZE PEACH by criticizing his choice of material.

Let me quote from Lindy's post:

"I don't believe that previously non-raping audience members are going to take to the streets in a rape mob after hearing one rape joke. That's an absurd and insulting mischaracterization. But I do believe that comedy's current permissiveness around cavalier, cruel, victim-targeting rape jokes contributes to (that's contributes—not causes) a culture of young men who don't understand what it means to take this stuff seriously.

And how did they try and prove me wrong? How did they try to demonstrate that comedy, in general, doesn't have issues with women? By threatening to rape and kill me, telling me I'm just bitter because I'm too fat to get raped, and suggesting that the debate would have been better if it had just been Jim raping me."

Rape Joke Debate

bareboards2 says...

Ah. Here is the best comment I have seen, taken from Stranger Blog:

Jim Norton destroys his own side when he mentions that comedy is about speaking truth to power. Rape victims have no power. Making jokes at their expense is not only offensive it is bad comedy. If you want to make good comedy about rape it should start with being at the expense of the rapist(s) and their enablers.

So, yes a joke involving a rape situation could potentially be 'okay' but it certainly is more of a minefield than say... how many Starbucks' are in Seattle.

Rape Joke Debate

Rape Joke Debate

Yogi says...

Well I was mostly only interested in Jim Norton because I'm a fan of his. I've come down on the side of too much freedom of speech is a good thing. I thought everything she said was incredibly valid, however some of it isn't provable. I'm not willing to give the state the power to regulate speech is all. I've heard Jim talk for hours and hours about freedom of speech and comics so I already knew where he was coming from and basically agreed.

That being said Jim is of course biased because his livelyhood is the one being affected. He gets threatened with losing his job on Sirius constantly, and he works with two people who did lose their job once or twice. I totally understand what he's coming from, I'm trying to understand where she's coming from but I think having a penis is blocking me mentally.

The bottom basement point is that this is all good. Not comics, but PEOPLE should understand certain things about the world and them finding out that women don't walk a darkened street feeling safe is illuminating.

Also you like Louis CK but think rape jokes aren't funny? He has like 3 that are great jokes and make you think. How he tells those jokes matter, and apparently he understands it better after having been raised by a mother, having 3 sisters and having 2 daughters.

bareboards2 said:

Ah. Interesting that the commenter above doesn't even bother to hear the other side before weighing in on who "wins."

*quality

Quality again. And more quality.

And I love Louis CK. I have never heard him tell a joke that was anything other than searingly honest and respectful.

Sorry about your loss. Losing your mom so young, in such a terrible way. And your friends seem to be living proof of the formula -- Comedy is Tragedy plus time.

Which speaks to why rape jokes aren't funny. The tragedy is NOW. The threat of violence towards women is on-going -- look at the burgeoning sexual assault crisis in the military. So there is no emotional distance from the events.

Rape Joke Debate

Yogi says...

Before watching this I know that Jim Norton is going to be right but be bad at making his points. The comedian they should've had was Louis CK, he's awesome.

Louis CK had a very good point in response to a Jim Norton joke actually. When you perform at a club you're performing in front of a group of people. You don't have time to take a survey and check what these people have been through, or what hotbutton issues they would have problems with. Everyone is different, for example my mom was murdered in a very not nice way, but my friends made jokes about her being dead all my life, it wasn't a big deal to me and I can separate my love for her and my love of a good joke. However I wouldn't expect that for everyone, some people wouldn't be ok with a joke about their mom being dead even if theirs is still alive. I think you can do what you do when you're watching TV, change the channel or remove yourself from that situation. You can face it if you want to and work through issues, and sometimes comedy can really help that by taking you to a dark place and making you laugh there. It's just we're humans, sticky soft disgusting humans.

Chip ruins the mood

Chip ruins the mood

Yogi says...

>> ^ponceleon:

>> ^cracanata:
Is that Jim Norton from Lucky Louie?

Yes, this is a bit he does. It's brilliant stuff. He's got videos at the comic conventions which are on par, if not better, than Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.


It sounds like Opie from Opie and Anthony holding the camera. I'll be they're taking a little comic trip somewhere to perform.

Chip ruins the mood

Chip ruins the mood

Chip ruins the mood

Louis C.K. on Evolution

rottenseed says...

Over-exposure. And you're doing it to yourself. Check out Patton Oswalt, Bill Burr, Jim Norton, Jamie Kilstein, Jim Jeffries, Brian Regan, Eugene Mirman, David Cross, Bob Kelly, John Mulaney, Michael Ian Black, Mike Birbiglia, etc.

I know you probably know most of these guys, but I just wanted to remind you that they exist...enjoy their comedy for a while. Sprinkle some Louis in there.

BTW, I started getting annoyed with Marc Maron. He comes off as a self-important sycophant to me. I think it's because he hates himself so much...>> ^kymbos:

I'm a bit sad to say I'm slowly falling out of love with Louis and Marc Maron. I'm not sure what to do about it.
Dave Chappelle, please start a twice weekly podcast, I'm begging you!

Louis CK and Ricky Gervais in an Elevator

Yogi says...

>> ^rottenseed:

>> ^Yogi:
Louis CK is still the funniest stand up in that elevator...by a fucking mile.

Stand up yea. Although, hands down, Jim Norton is the funniest guy in a day-to-day, wit type of way.


Yeah that's great...except I don't hang out with him much.

Louis CK and Ricky Gervais in an Elevator



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