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Regulators considering review of Facebook's IPO
Boise_LibTheir big mistake: you can rip off the little guys, but the IPO went to "prefered customers"; that's just not cricket.
Mitt Romney fights with a reporter
criticalthud says...Politicians know that if they spend millions on their campaign, if elected that money will come back to them ten-fold...via insider information, IPO's, and sweetheart deals.
Russell Brand Nails UK Riots In Guardian
westy>> ^RedSky:
@westy
I'm not implying that they purely make money.
Investment banks primarily serve to list private firms on the stock market through IPOs.
Hedge funds don't gamble shares, they trade them based on discrepancies between actual price and fundamentals, they contribute by providing insight on stock performance and thereby keep listed prices more stable. They also incidentally had just about nothing to do with the GFC.
Either way they are both pretty beneficial to a functioning economy.
Every business tries to game the system. Your local butcher tries to minimize his tax burden just as much any other business.
@lampishthing
I don't disagree with what you're saying, but my main issue was that it's one thing to say a lack of social programs will lead to an increase in disenfranchisement, delinquency and violence in general. It's a wholly different thing to directly link it to acting selfishly, which as far as I'm concerned is implying a lack of individual responsibility and a validation of those actions.
The thrust of his argument I got essentially boiled down to a tit-for-tat "well the bankers are being selfish so it explains your actions" which is frankly both irresponsible and pretty juvenile.
Yes nearly every business tries to game the system that's the point of capitalism and that's why it will always fail ( im not on about simply ballencing your books and deprecaiting assets and playing that sytem , evan though that is gamed in the same way) I'm on about the system at large , surely you can see the difference between a butcher and a company that offers high interest loans to desperate people , when instead of offering the loan the ethical thing would be for them to tell them to contact citizens advice ?
thats the piont im making , you can have companies that game the system but also privde a service but the people that have caused this economic crisis are people that are at the pinicale of gaming the system and do not care to provide a service and purely participate to game the system purely exist to make money at whatever cost to society.
luckily we have people that are ethical and don't just think of the profit bottom line , but in general you will see that a good proportion of those successful at business and profiting are ones that couldn't give a shit about other people or there effect on the environment.
"Either way they are both pretty beneficial to a functioning economy"
so the bankers that turned a blind eye to the toxit assits were beneficail to the econimy ?
how about the lobiests and deregulation that made it possable ?
what about the real estate agents that knew the people they were selling the houses to could not maintain the mortgage?
What about the marketeers that designed the sales materail to obscure the mortgage rates to hide the fact that they would increase and specifcaly designed the brouchers and trained the sales teams to exploit unknowlageable people ?
"hedge funds don't gamble shares, they trade them based on discrepancies between actual price and fundamentals"
Defanitoin of Gambling from Wikipedia - "Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods."
something doesn't have to have unfavourable odds to be considered gambling for example there are many professional gamblers that make a living of horse betting , and in that exact same way there are many people that profestinaly gamble on the stock market , and I would argue that they are themselfs not providing a use to socity. I would however contrast that against sum-one that invests in a company because that company is doing good or employs many people or is developing beneficial technpligy.
the problem is in general capitalism in its current form is fucked , and i belive we need to move towards something that is what I would describe as a
"democratic socialist capitalist system" where we have as free a market as possable and that is achived through democratic regulation guided by socialist princapels. so you try to give every citizen as equal a chance as possible at having free will and succeeding in what they want to do.
the current system allows the top 10% fantastic freedom and chances but at the expense of the majorty of people.
Russell Brand Nails UK Riots In Guardian
RedSky@westy
I'm not implying that they purely make money.
Investment banks primarily serve to list private firms on the stock market through IPOs.
Hedge funds don't gamble shares, they trade them based on discrepancies between actual price and fundamentals, they contribute by providing insight on stock performance and thereby keep listed prices more stable. They also incidentally had just about nothing to do with the GFC.
Either way they are both pretty beneficial to a functioning economy.
Every business tries to game the system. Your local butcher tries to minimize his tax burden just as much any other business.
@lampishthing
I don't disagree with what you're saying, but my main issue was that it's one thing to say a lack of social programs will lead to an increase in disenfranchisement, delinquency and violence in general. It's a wholly different thing to directly link it to acting selfishly, which as far as I'm concerned is implying a lack of individual responsibility and a validation of those actions.
The thrust of his argument I got essentially boiled down to a tit-for-tat "well the bankers are being selfish so it explains your actions" which is frankly both irresponsible and pretty juvenile.
Bitcoin & The End of State-Controlled Money
GeeSussFreeKThat sounds like you are saying all arbitrary valuation is a Ponzi scheme, which I don't think is exactly right. If people stop buying stocks, it doesn't cause the companies to crash, if people stop investing into bonds, the money doesn't crash either. Investing real money into money causes the money to increase in valuation without a need for continued investors. Any investing can lead to bubbles when fueled by speculation...Bubble != Ponzi. Bubbles to be had here for sure, just like any IPO for a stock. I think you are wise to be cautious, though, this is a pretty crazy new idea. In that, though, no risk, no reward. It would be akin to investing in gold before a major nation switched to the gold standard...chaching. Same here...if everyone starts using that currency, it will be in high demand making it more desirable.
I plan to read about how it creates additional units without causing inflation or not creating enough which causes deflation. I am interested how it maintains all that. It is all very very intriguing.
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>> ^Stormsinger:
>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
>> ^Stormsinger:
Sheeesh, talk about your Ponzi schemes...
I am confuzzled by this statement. Is China investing hundreds of billions in US bons any different than this? Buying money is a strange concept for me, but this doesn't look like a ponzi setup at all...as it is used as a tender not an investment that needs more investment. Akin to calling paypal a Ponzi scheme...unless I don't understand you completely.
A Ponzi scheme is one in which investors get returns not from any profit but only by being paid with the buy-ins of the later investors...which means that sooner or later, when there are no new investors, the last wave or six -cannot- be paid, because there is no profit. A scheme such as what Hybrid is discussing has no profit...it's nothing but pure speculation, and thus, has no profits to pay to investors. IOW, it's -all- bubble...and the last "investors" are going to be left holding empty balloons.
Cancer Breakthrough. Believe It.
dagComment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)
I'm becoming very jaded about these kinds of breakthroughs. I've been reading about them for 15 years on the Internet - and yet - treatment is still horrific chemo and radiation. And so many people still dieing before their time.
So, while I don't give up hope completely, I cynically view these kinds of PR exercises as more about raising funds for an IPO, boosting stock prices etc - than an actual breakthrough.
Hannity Tries To Fake Out Michael Moore And Fails
EMPIRE says...This is just absolutely fucking pathetic. Say what you will about Cuba, and Castro and whatnot... But THEY ARE very generous about their health services, and they DO have a fairly good health care system.
I'm from Portugal, and there's LOTS of people from here who go to Cuba to get some help.
I never heard anyone say that the cuban staff or conditions were anything below reasonable or acceptable.
Oh... and Hannity.. If I EVER had cancer (let's hope not) there's only 1 place I would choose, which is the IPO (the Portuguese Institute for Oncology). A state facility! Go figure! And In a country where the health care system is not even as good as it could be. Let alone in a place like France or England.
Faster Way to Move Between Pages? (Sift Talk Post)
KrupoI'm a fan of arbitrarily jumping around myself.
In honour of your suggestion, I've taken my fledgling private playlist public. It is, for lack of a better pun, an IPO:
http://www.videosift.com/playlist/Krupo/Videotopromote
Hope it helps.
Revolution OS (history of Linux/Open Source documentary,86m)
benjeeFrom the Google Video comment: