>> ^MarineGunrock:

@PalmliX: "They have no secondary use, except maybe target practice."
No, you're just wrong there. Guns, when carried legally, can stop someone who is using one illegally.


Explain to me how an unloaded gun will stop someone using one illegally. Show me an example where a bystander who happened to be carrying a gun prevented a crime.

>> ^blankfist:

Still not sure why people are so incensed by people carrying guns.


Still not sure why people are carrying guns.


On a side note, not being an american, I'd like to ask a question. Does the 2nd amendment only cover firearms? Could I walk down the street with a sword, for instance?

Not sure why people are not incensed by people carrying guns.

Still not sure why people are so incensed by people carrying guns.

National Justice Institute
In 2005, 11,346 persons were killed by firearm violence and 477,040 persons were victims of a crime committed with a firearm. Most murders in the United States are committed with firearms, especially handguns. In 2006, firearms were used in 68 percent of murders, 42 percent of robbery offenses and 22 percent of aggravated assaults nationwide.

The statistics show that firearms are the murder and suicide implement of choice in the United States as firearms are used in 2 out of every 3 homicides and half of all suicides.
http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-violence/
http://www.americanfirearms.org/statistics.php#8

Firearms made the top 10 leading causes of death list in the US.
http://www.americanfirearms.org/images/Chart__big.gif

Murders with firearms (per capita)
United States is #8 in the world

Murders with firearms (total)
United States is #4 in the world

If you had a choice would you rather be stabbed or shot?
The mortality rate for gunshot wounds to the heart is 84%, compared to 30% for people who sustain stab wounds to the heart.
http://www.journalacs.org/article/S1072-7515(97)00144-0/abstract
*edit: The brackets break the link so please copy and paste if you care


I am a Canadian who owns guns and I do NOT support the federal gun registry as it does nothing to prevent crime or protect citizens.
However I do support the proper licensing, secure storage, and transport of firearms. I believe that some level of gun control is required but the majority of issues can be addressed through proper firearm education.
>> ^blankfist:

>> ^PalmliX:
>> ^blankfist:
Not sure why people are so incensed by people carrying guns.

No? No idea? How about fear of death? I live in Canada and if me or anyone I knew saw a civilian walking around with a gun we would call the police immediately. Doesn't really matter if they have no 'ill intent', they're walking around with a weapon that can kill someone in the blink of an eye. There's no use for a gun other than killing. Like someone said earlier, this isn't the wild west, have some common sense and at the very least it should be concealed with the proper permits.

I don't think this guy lives in Canada. He lives in the US and in a place where open carry is legal. Some of us don't give in to fear. Sure a gun can kill someone in a blink of an eye, but so can a car or a steak knife. Should we ban roads and steak restaurants?

>> ^blankfist:

>> ^PalmliX:
>> ^blankfist:
Not sure why people are so incensed by people carrying guns.

No? No idea? How about fear of death? I live in Canada and if me or anyone I knew saw a civilian walking around with a gun we would call the police immediately. Doesn't really matter if they have no 'ill intent', they're walking around with a weapon that can kill someone in the blink of an eye. There's no use for a gun other than killing. Like someone said earlier, this isn't the wild west, have some common sense and at the very least it should be concealed with the proper permits.

I don't think this guy lives in Canada. He lives in the US and in a place where open carry is legal. Some of us don't give in to fear. Sure a gun can kill someone in a blink of an eye, but so can a car or a steak knife. Should we ban roads and steak restaurants?


Yes I agree that cars are dangerous and I always try and treat activities in or around vehicles with a healthy degree of respect because of that danger. Knives can be dangerous too, again I try and be as safe as I can around them.

Never the less I have cut myself many times and have been in more than one car accident, I was even hit by a car on my bike once. Yet I still choose to use cars and knives because their primary uses make our lives much more convenient and I have decided to accept the risk, it could be argued that it's not that worth it...

A guns primary use is quick and efficient murder. They have no secondary use, except maybe target practice... I never advocated for the banning of weapons, although that may not be such a bad idea. I simply said that in the country, and more specifically the city that I live in (Toronto), if I saw a civilian walking around with a gun I would be immediately frightened and for good reason.

Yes I give in to fear on a daily basis and I'm proud of it. Fear is a very effective survival tool. Has been for millions or even billions of years. To say that preventing regular civilians from visibly carrying around loaded guns is akin to banning steak restaurants or roads is completely asinine.

Maybe you don't give into fear blankfist... Maybe when a stranger walks towards you with a gun visibly holstered you don't feel any twinge in the pit of your stomach...

Personally though, I don't think that makes you tough or brave, I think it just makes you stupid.

>> ^PalmliX:

>> ^blankfist:
Not sure why people are so incensed by people carrying guns.

No? No idea? How about fear of death? I live in Canada and if me or anyone I knew saw a civilian walking around with a gun we would call the police immediately. Doesn't really matter if they have no 'ill intent', they're walking around with a weapon that can kill someone in the blink of an eye. There's no use for a gun other than killing. Like someone said earlier, this isn't the wild west, have some common sense and at the very least it should be concealed with the proper permits.


I don't think this guy lives in Canada. He lives in the US and in a place where open carry is legal. Some of us don't give in to fear. Sure a gun can kill someone in a blink of an eye, but so can a car or a steak knife. Should we ban roads and steak restaurants?

>> ^blankfist:

Not sure why people are so incensed by people carrying guns.


No? No idea? How about fear of death? I live in Canada and if me or anyone I knew saw a civilian walking around with a gun we would call the police immediately. Doesn't really matter if they have no 'ill intent', they're walking around with a weapon that can kill someone in the blink of an eye. There's no use for a gun other than killing. Like someone said earlier, this isn't the wild west, have some common sense and at the very least it should be concealed with the proper permits.

>> ^BrknPhoenix:

>> ^blankfist:
Not sure why people are so incensed by people carrying guns.

I haven't logged in for probably a year or more, but after I saw this...
Look, I'm all for people's rights.
But if you can't even fathom why people would be concerned about an unknown person carrying a potentially loaded deadly weapon in their presence, one that is basically indefensible if someone decides to use it (assuming they don't miss the first time,) then you are seriously disconnected from reality.
I'm sure you're just trying to voice your gung-ho pro-gun opinion, but seriously, to say you can't even imagine a single reason why the other side thinks what they do is absurd.


Fear. Fear. I'm afraid. I'm scared. Fear. You're out of touch if you aren't afraid like me. Fear. Afraid.

That's pretty much what I just read.

>> ^blankfist:

Not sure why people are so incensed by people carrying guns.


I haven't logged in for probably a year or more, but after I saw this...

Look, I'm all for people's rights.

But if you can't even fathom why people would be concerned about an unknown person carrying a potentially loaded deadly weapon in their presence, one that is basically indefensible if someone decides to use it (assuming they don't miss the first time,) then you are seriously disconnected from reality.

I'm sure you're just trying to voice your gung-ho pro-gun opinion, but seriously, to say you can't even imagine a single reason why the other side thinks what they do is absurd.

Not sure why people are so incensed by people carrying guns.

"resident racist" isn't much of a title. I'd much prefer Resident Racist/Sexist/Capitalist. I'm not doing a very good job....

Thank you for reminding me that THE PRESIDENT has attacked private citizens like Rush Limbaugh. That is far less sanguine than a private citizen calling out the president; criticism comes with the job.

Observation about the Presidency itself. Observation about Obama's failure--IMO--to maintain the dignity of the office.

RACISM: NONE

Thurston hasn't yet learned that in America you define who you are, no one else. If he wants to play the role of victim, that's his choice, there's a whole political party dedicated to winning his vote by defining him as one.

RACISM: only from the patronizing left

Leftists need victims/oppressed to get votes. When there aren't enough victims, they make them. This is born of the foundation of liberalism: powerlessness at the hands of life's lottery, with anyone not a random winner an exploited loser.

If Baratunde "puppies on a hovercraft" Thurston wants to specifically address Blackness in America, shouldn't he be far more incensed at the 70% illegitimacy rate in the Black community, a literal blueprint for cultural and economic failure?

YES IT'S UNPLEASANT, BUT FACTS ARE FACTS. LOOK UP THE STATS. Btw, the overall illegitimacy rate in America across all races is now 40%. Also nothing to celebrate.

AND I call bullshit on BT's "outrage". He's the host of a TV show as well as a paid comic. He may be somewhat upset, but I don't buy for a second he's this thin-skinned; he'd never have made it in the entertainment industry. His potential for happiness is his choice and problem, not yours or mine.

And while we're on the subject, this collective phony "outrage" every time something is read or heard that you disagree with is tiresome. For fck's sake, there aren't enough white sheets in the world to cover everyone the left has accused of racism. Don't you have ANYTHING else to talk about?

RACISM: NONE

@Xaielao It's not Republicans who are frightened, it's conservatives, peeps who understand the Constitution and the assault it's under.

RACISM: NONE

If Trump is a "Klansman" (an outrageous charge) that would make him a democrat.

Thank you for reminding me that THE PRESIDENT has attacked private citizens like Rush Limbaugh. That is far less sanguine than a private citizen calling out the president; criticism comes with the job.

Thurston hasn't yet learned that in America you define who you are, no one else. If he wants to play the role of victim, that's his choice, there's a whole political party dedicated to winning his vote by defining him as one.

If Baratunde "puppies on a hovercraft" Thurston wants to specifically address Blackness in America, shouldn't he be far more incensed at the 70% illegitimacy rate in the Black community, a literal blueprint for cultural and economic failure?

@Xaielao It's not Republicans who are frightened, it's conservatives, peeps who understand the Constitution and the assault it's under.

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