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Obama White House Withheld Information about BP Oil Spill

Porksandwich says...

If they were serious about cleaning this up there wouldn't have been misspoken numbers for months, and they wouldn't have left BP in a position to dictate and make decisions. They would been a lot more open, and while they would have used BPs resources and some recommendations this cover up stuff wouldn't have even been considered. It really didn't matter if BP suffered financially, that's what happens when you punch a hole in the ground and don't properly manage it.......and then fail to have the capacity you claim to have to deal with the problem in a timely manner.

There were a lot of people who probably would have volunteered to work there for room and board if they had some kind of assurances that the air wasn't toxic and they would be given at least adequate protection against contact with toxins. And even more people who would have liked to be paid to clean up the mess, and I mean really clean it up. Not out there with shovels and a trash bag in white paper suits. Bring in some machinery, dig and line some trenches to divert water to where it could be treated as it came in a long the coast lines. Boom the waterways and treat the water before spilling it into the reserves and parks.

Most of the footage you saw were guys in white outfits with shovels and trash bags.....if you had a spill anywhere else in the world of petroleum based products, they'd laugh at you if you just had guys with shovels and trash bags trying to clean it up. A few guys on dozers/hoes/bobcats could replace all of those guys for a majority of the work you saw being done, handwork can not be completely replaced but the majority of it can be and much more efficiently. It would have cut the penetration time down significantly having a machine sweep it away instead of having people trying to outdig the ocean current.

And it's not as if they couldn't justify the cost of severely damaging equipment in the process of this clean up..since sand and oily grit are going to wear machines out if they are exposed to it constantly. They probably could have gotten the machines damn near donated by any of the manufacturers to get their brands on TV and in the news.

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ant says...

I did the same, but I think the problem I used CNN keyword.

In reply to this comment by geo321:
I used google video search as well and I saw a few different versions there. The search wording must have been different. I usually start basic like "grandma reporter hoe attack"

In reply to this comment by ant:
How did you find that? I used http://video.google.com

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http://meview.metro.co.uk/video/Grandma-Attack!/52544

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>> ^geo321:

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I can't find a replacement.

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CNN Rick Sanchez & Grandma's Got A Hoe And Attacks Reporter!

Short film BP doesn't want you to see

Porksandwich says...

I like that we can see a little of what is going on for people from there, and I think people should help. And I think we have a lot of people in this country who would gladly go there if they knew they were going to have a place to stay, food to eat, and transportation to get to where the work needed to be done....and some assurances they won't develop cancer or some other illness and drop dead in 5-10 years because they went there to help.

But as with all things, unless you know someone there who has their finger on the pulse of the situation and has contacts in the government...you will go there and be told "The best thing you can do right now is go home." unless you're famous......then they'll put you in front of some cameras and try to keep you happy so you don't go on talk shows and tell people how horribly bad it is there.

We have a lot of people who were just recently cut off from unemployment benefits (up to 2+ months ago) who would love to have a chance to go down there to help and draw a pay check to keep their house and such that they are in the process of losing. Small sidenote: What's funny is that the unemployment benefits got cut off....and now our unemployment percentages went from ~17% to ~10%...amazing they all found jobs...or stopped bothering to report their unemployment state since they aren't getting benefits from it....news hasn't investigated it.

These documentaries show there are things that need to be done, there's a real problem that having solid, useful information could help in applying an overwhelming workforce to the problem to overcome it. They just have to make sure that this overwhelming workforce isn't setting themselves up for death in 10 years because they weren't told that handling this stuff or being near it would result in cancer/internal organ failure/etc. And letting that kind of information out would make BP look bad, because it's not just dirty oil that kills all the wildlife..but it's dirty oil that kills all the wildlife and will continue to kill anything in the area for years to come.

I know at least 3 people and probably another half dozen who'd love to take their machinery down there to help out, as long as any damage caused to the machinery is going to be reimbursed (oily/sandy grit is not a good combination for moving parts) and they draw a paycheck to cover expenses of being there and their homes.

I wondered why they didn't dig a ditches in the beach lines, line them with plastic and slope them toward a pit or some kind of area where a pump can suck up the stuff making it to land to be processed there. Separate out the oil to a tanker, have 2-3 tankers making rounds to keep up with the oil and pump the water back out into the ocean. Sure some of the oil and stuff would be absorbed, but at least you're mitigating the absorption to an area near where your ditches are. You'd need some people on-site to make sure the ditches aren't getting plugged with debris and aren't eroding to the point of being useless. And then you'd probably have to dig new ditches with the tide. I can't tell what that raking and putting stuff in trashbags is doing to help the clean up in any significant way.


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And the editor basically butchered my little sketch, so there'd be some spacing between the | ditch lines and the [ ] pit would be larger to allow for more pumps to work on the same pit.

Something like that, you'd have to redig the | lines when the tide washes in and fills them...maybe use metal channels that are plastic lined that can be lifted out and move off so the tide doesn't fill them making them hard to lift or wash them away. And redig them once it recedes and put the metal channels back in place. And probably need something strong enough to hold the weight of a mini-excavator or back-hoe to clear the mouth of the | channels as stuff builds up in the mouth of them...so you can drive across the | channels to get to the problem areas.

Not sure how they could approach the swamp/marshland type areas, maybe focus their boats and booms more heavily in them to catch anything that the beach pumps don't draw in.....then setup fleets in the heart of the oil masses to suck up as much as they can before it gets close to shorelines. If the beach ditches worked out well, and the pumps were more than able to keep up with the natural water flow...they could be spread out some because they would pull the majority of the water toward the ditches.

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cybrbeast says...

>> ^turboj0e:

the word/phrase that the reporter utters 10 seconds in is the most audibly confusing thing that I have ever heard in my life.


Rough translation from start to when she walks to the toilets:

The one thing that bothers me the most at a festival are the long waiting lines at the toilet. They're open at this moment and we can enter, so I'm gonna *check how clean they are.

*Here she uses the Dutch conjugation of the english work check, i.e. checken. Whole sentence in Dutch: "Dus ik ga even checken hoe schoon ze hier zijn". What you hear as one word is not one word.

It continues:

I think this is the men's area. You'd almost think you could scoop a beer out of it [the urinal], with nice foam layer. Oh, oh.
Man: This isn't a urnial is it?
Hahaha, I think it is man
Wow, hehe, wow, hoohoo, wow, okay, seriously
Can I ask you something? Just for the record: Is that a urinal?
Man in red: Yeah
Seriously, what did we just film? I'm speechless, the man was washing his hands in a urinal

Backhoe scales tower in Germany

Backhoe scales tower in Germany

Porksandwich says...

That's not a backhoe, that's track hoe.

Left side of screen looks like a rubber tire loader.

Right side is a bull dozer.

Most distance item looks like it might be another rubber tire loader.

Machine at 1:26 is a track loader.


Hard to tell if they have track or tires with it being so dark and pretty much always being far camera shots. Day time building scenes are easiest to see.

But the thing climbing the tower is a track hoe. Track hoes can spin all the way around on their tracks, so they can dig a hole and load the dirt to a truck behind them.

A back hoe can only move it's digging arm in roughly a 180 degree arc, basically it's 90 degrees off center in either direction, so they can only load a truck that's sitting beside them. I have run backhoe (often), and a very small version of a track hoe (week or so). Backhoes are called backhoes because basically they used to be tractors with a loading bucket on the front and a hoe attachment on the back. They eventually morphed into what you see today, loading bucket or skid loader attachment on front and hoe (digging arm) on back....never seen them on tracks if it's even an option... typically rubber tires with stabilizer legs they can let down on the digging arm end of the machine. So the front bucket and the 2 stabilizer legs make it so the machine is pretty solid on the ground. Digging without the legs down is a good way to throw up your lunch especially if the ground is really hard, the tires just constantly bounce from the force the arm can add and relieve in a blink of an eye.


Bobcats and backhoes are what most people own as they can do a lot of jobs with the right attachments/buckets/etc. I would say that backhoes are the safer of the two, while bobcats have more utility due to attachments. Bobcats will let you dump whatever you load in the front bucket right on top of the machine (where you're sitting) and aren't typically covered in the front....and their ability to spin in a circle is a good way to break things or hurt someone really bad.

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David Letterman- Dave's Advice To NBC

Winstonfield_Pennypacker says...

On the one hand...

Conan is not really a good fit for the Tonight Show. He's a bit more 'out there' than the show's traditional audience. He has been toning it down so as to not to freak out TTS's audience, and as a result he's sort of losing the viewers he used to have. But at the same time the old viewers aren't entirely keen on him yet either, so it's the worst of both worlds. It isn't his fault really, but he has a tough row to hoe and maybe TTS isn't the best fit for his style.

But on the other hand...

Conan signed the contract for this years ago. He signed up for a time slot, and it isn't his fault that NBC is getting cold feet because they made a stupid move with the Jay Leno show experiment. If anything, NBC should just cancel Leno's show. Period. Moving Leno to a later slot, and then TTS to an even LATER slot is just stupid and I don't blame O'Brien for getting upset over this. It's bait & switch. Conan isn't dumb and hopefully he socks it to NBC in the contract.

That's what this will all come down to in the end... What NBC can get away with in the contract is the end game of this mess.



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