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Gratefulmom (Member Profile)

Military will refuse to obey unlawful orders from Pres Trump

bcglorf says...

@newtboy and @Dragen_Jager

My main point is just in agreement with Hayden, that given a grossly illegal and unpalatable order like targeting women and children just because of who they are related to is something that America's current top brass would say no to.

That said, in existential wars there is no such things as a war crime any more. Or at the least, the definition will be written by the victors(Fire bombing Dresden and Tokyo, or nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki).

Furthermore, what is approved in a 'black ops' sense has IMO always been something that America and every other nation has done, and again with the only meaningful rule being that it be effective and secret and/or deniable. Hence my ask the CIA quip,

Military will refuse to obey unlawful orders from Pres Trump

bcglorf says...

I think Hayden meant at higher levels of command. Realistically, if an officer tells the soldier directly under them to blow up that building, they follow orders. Whether that building is full of terrorists, or just the school their kids attend wouldn't change that much, as you say.

I think Hayden means that if a President ordered the military to start targeting women and children, the very top generals he gave those orders to would themselves refuse. If the situation were private enough they'd remind the President that it's not their job to do those kind of things and he should probably go talk to the CIA instead...

Mordhaus said:

He might be correct in theory, but realistically they will follow all but the most heinous orders. It is entrenched in them the longer they serve to follow commands and the threat of military prison is there as well. For something like this to happen, it would require 100% agreement and compliance between all levels of the commanding officers on a very controversial decision.

More likely is that the orders would be filtered and interpreted by the actual lower level commanders in a way to make them ineffective. For instance, if Trump ordered a drone strike on illegal immigrants (just an example based on his dislike of them), the drone might encounter mechanical issues or just miss the target. Soldiers, by and large, are great bullshitters. Trust me, if you ever play pen and paper RPGs with them it is fucking hilarious how they work out ways to dodge 'orders'.

Military will refuse to obey unlawful orders from Pres Trump

radx says...

Where's the line?

On the shelf to the left of my screen rests a copy of Dirty Wars by Jeremy Scahill. Excuse the hyperbole, but every single page of that book details actions by the US military/intelligence agencies that were in violation of both international and domestic law. Individuals may refuse to obey unlawful orders, but the organisations will commit every atrocity in the book without much thought.

How many laws did the CIA break during those three years when Hayden was in charge? How many torture camps did it run? How many "black sites"? How many extrajudicial renditions took place?

Let's not even bother with all the shenanigans of the NSA under Hayden's command.

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charliem says...

Hes a professor, with tenure, and the director of the hayden planetarium....and he has his own tv show, and his own podcast...he is his own brand.

Im surprised he doesn't earn more to be honest.

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AeroMechanical says...

I sometimes wonder if maybe Hayden Christensen would have turned out to be a great actor if it weren't for his first major role being directed by George Lucas.

Okay, maybe not, but I do feel for the guy because it clearly is the directing that ruined his character.

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SDGundamX says...

ROFLMAO! Father of a two-and-a-half-year old and I've said some of those things to my daughter at the playground before in exactly that voice.

"Don't eat the sand, honey. Don't eat the sand! DON'T EAT THE--COMERE!"

Plus my daughter loves Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith. In particular, Hayden Christensen. She asks for "Anakin" by name and demands to watch it at least once a week.

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VoodooV says...

I'm definitely not saying that Hayden Christiansen is a great actor, but Anakin's whiny petulance came purely from George Lucas's shitty dialogue. I don't think there are many actors that could have portrayed Anakin better, Lucas gets complete responsibility for the character of Anakin

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radx says...

Has anyone checked the source of the translation, MEMRI?

Never heard of 'em, but Wiki has some basic info that makes it appear to me like a bloody propaganda outfit. Look at the names listed: Michael Hayden (NSA/CIA), Paul Bremmer and John Bolten (Bush's warmongers), Ehud Barak (fmr. Israeli Minister of Defence) and running the show is Yigal Carmon, who is listed as an Israeli spook.

Call me cynical, but I smell a touch of manipulative propaganda. Not saying the story is false, just that it might have been picked, pushed and hyped for a political purpose other than the suffering of Yemeni girls/women.

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Fletch says...

This RotJ has the awful Hayden Christensen replacement for Anakin at the end. I hope the Disney movies are able to redeem this series somewhat. I can't imagine them being worse than what Lucas did with the prequels. Start with casting. The Anakins were just horrible in the prequels. And JarJar... wtf?

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Nexxus says...

>> ^budzos:

What is with this name Jayden? Why is every second male being on the planet now named Jayden, Cayden, or Brayden? When did the world become so fucking stupid!?


Don't forget aidan, hayden, zayden. I despise all of those names and spelling permutations, and feel sorry for those kids.

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Shepppard says...

>> ^dannym3141:

I think he's a fan-fucking-tastic actor when he picks the right films. Leaving Las Vegas really couldn't have been anyone else. And in Kick-Ass - quirky, interesting, engaging? And i thought he suited The Rock perfectly.
Sometimes amazing, sometimes terrible.


A friend and I were discussing actors the other day.

Some we like, some we hate (looking at you, Hayden Christensen), but we also got on to Nicholas Cage.

Basically, what we realized, was that his films are nuts. He's extreme, he either makes really GOOD movies (Con Air, Kick-ass, Lord of War etc.) or some really TERRIBLE movies (Bangkok Dangerous, etc.) With next to none falling into any form of middleground. The only one I can think of off-hand is really Next, which was entertaining, but only mind-numbingly so.

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