Can't say I disagree with anything you say!

I was talking shorthand. Nuance gets lost in shorthand.



>> ^NetRunner:

@bareboards2, I think you're putting a bit too much emphasis on this natural vs. artificial thing. Everyone does something unnatural to enhance their appearance from "the way we evolved". Some of it is just personal hygiene like showering, washing your hair, brushing your teeth, using deodorant, etc. Some of it is clearly about improving your appearance to others, like getting your hair cut, shaving, combing or styling your hair, what have you.
To some degree, you need to do this stuff, just to signal to the world that you care about your appearance. If you're looking to attract a romantic interest, then you need to do more than what the expected norm is.
When it comes to these sorts of extra cosmetic efforts, it's not so much about whether they actually make the woman look better according to some objective standard of beauty, it's about the knowledge that they put the effort into make themselves look the best they could. Obviously the goal is to actually succeed in making yourself look better, but it's really the thought that counts.
As for removal of body hair, I think the conceptions of the ideal has actually changed for both genders. Compare Tom Selleck in his heyday to more modern male heartthrobs. These days they are universally clean shaven with waxed chests. I'd be willing to bet that change happened around the same time Playboy started making all their models shave their pubic hair.
As for these women who turn themselves into some grotesque barbie, I don't get the sense that they're doing it to try to satisfy some unreasonable man in their life. I think most of the time, they're doing it to try to feel better about themselves (and often driving away the men in their lives in the process). I agree that's probably a symptom of a problem with our culture generally, but I don't think it's the availability of images of impossibly perfect looking women that's causing it. I think it's got to do with all the subtle and not so subtle ways our culture tends to tie a woman's appearance to her worth as a person.

@bareboards2, I think you're putting a bit too much emphasis on this natural vs. artificial thing. Everyone does something unnatural to enhance their appearance from "the way we evolved". Some of it is just personal hygiene like showering, washing your hair, brushing your teeth, using deodorant, etc. Some of it is clearly about improving your appearance to others, like getting your hair cut, shaving, combing or styling your hair, what have you.

To some degree, you need to do this stuff, just to signal to the world that you care about your appearance. If you're looking to attract a romantic interest, then you need to do more than what the expected norm is.

When it comes to these sorts of extra cosmetic efforts, it's not so much about whether they actually make the woman look better according to some objective standard of beauty, it's about the knowledge that they put the effort into make themselves look the best they could. Obviously the goal is to actually succeed in making yourself look better, but it's really the thought that counts.

As for removal of body hair, I think the conceptions of the ideal has actually changed for both genders. Compare Tom Selleck in his heyday to more modern male heartthrobs. These days they are universally clean shaven with waxed chests. I'd be willing to bet that change happened around the same time Playboy started making all their models shave their pubic hair.

As for these women who turn themselves into some grotesque barbie, I don't get the sense that they're doing it to try to satisfy some unreasonable man in their life. I think most of the time, they're doing it to try to feel better about themselves (and often driving away the men in their lives in the process). I agree that's probably a symptom of a problem with our culture generally, but I don't think it's the availability of images of impossibly perfect looking women that's causing it. I think it's got to do with all the subtle and not so subtle ways our culture tends to tie a woman's appearance to her worth as a person.

It appears we are not the asshats eachother thought to be.

my name is Brent. I like to ride a mountain bike, massive earphones on and enjoy the outside.
long, or short walks on the beach.
In reply to this comment by Fantomas:
"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages. At first the infant,
Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms;
And then the whining school-boy, with his satchel
And shining morning face, creeping like snail
Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
Made to his mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier,
Full of strange oaths, and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon's mouth. And then the justice,
In fair round belly with good capon lin'd,
With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
Full of wise saws and modern instances;
And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slipper'd pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side;
His youthful hose, well sav'd, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank; and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion;
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything."

Suprisingly no mention of baldness.

How on earth did we get to this point? From trading silly insults to hair (or lack thereof) to Shakespeare. If only all life's conversations evolved in this matter.

In reply to this comment by BoneRemake:
I shave my head, I bypass the entire ordeal of hair. half the time facial hair is longer then my scalp hair. its odd. 18-27 complete hippy look, long hair cut on occasions but that was once in a blue moon soo long scraggly hair and facial hair was prevalent for damn near ten years. Then this shaving and such started. reminds me of hearing something about Shakespeare 7 life's of men. or something like that.

In reply to this comment by Fantomas:
The irony of the whole affair is that I actually have a fairly full beard myself, although I do shave my neck. I guess that makes me a neckbeard in denial. With the modus operandi of neckbeards being rage over the internet, it only serves to confirm the diagnosis.

In reply to this comment by BoneRemake:
" neckbeard "

made me *sad to admit* almost piss myself.

hydrating after work and sifting can be messy.

I shave my head, I bypass the entire ordeal of hair. half the time facial hair is longer then my scalp hair. its odd. 18-27 complete hippy look, long hair cut on occasions but that was once in a blue moon soo long scraggly hair and facial hair was prevalent for damn near ten years. Then this shaving and such started. reminds me of hearing something about Shakespeare 7 life's of men. or something like that.

In reply to this comment by Fantomas:
The irony of the whole affair is that I actually have a fairly full beard myself, although I do shave my neck. I guess that makes me a neckbeard in denial. With the modus operandi of neckbeards being rage over the internet, it only serves to confirm the diagnosis.

In reply to this comment by BoneRemake:
" neckbeard "

made me *sad to admit* almost piss myself.

hydrating after work and sifting can be messy.

Living in a foreign country where I can only speak a bit of the language, I HATE getting my hair cut. I'll put it off for so long, just in case I get back to an English speaking country where I can actually ask for precisely what I want.

Even in France, they still say "Quand est-ce-que le derniere fois que vous prendre un coiffure" or somethnig like that... They're judging me! Yes, so it was 4 months, sorry I didn't give you 30 euros any sooner, but you make me so uncomfortable!

Ant enjoys every bit of getting his hair cut.

I think the people you are referring to are commonly called "women".

>> ^kymbos:

I'm with him all the way, except that once someone has cut my hair, some sort of Stockholm Syndrome takes effect and unless they completely f ck it up, I'll go back to them every time until they leave town or die. What I don't understand is people who love to get their hair cut. But then again, some people love to shop, so there you go.

I'm with him all the way, except that once someone has cut my hair, some sort of Stockholm Syndrome takes effect and unless they completely f*ck it up, I'll go back to them every time until they leave town or die. What I don't understand is people who love to get their hair cut. But then again, some people love to shop, so there you go.

Do I have an original thought in my head? My bald head. Maybe if I were happier my hair wouldn't be falling out. Life is short. I need to make the most of it. Today is the first day of the rest of my life. I'm a walking cliché. I really need to go to the doctor and have my leg checked. There's something wrong. A bump. The dentist called again. I'm way overdue. If I stop putting things off, I would be happier. All I do is sit on my fat ass. If my ass wasn't fat, I would be happier. I wouldn't have to wear these shirts with the tails out all the time, like that's fooling anyone. Fat ass. I should start jogging again. Five miles a day. Really do it this time. Maybe rock climbing. I need to turn my life around. What do I need to do? I need to fall in love. I need to have a girlfriend. I need to read more and prove myself. What if I learned Russian or something, or took up an instrument. I could speak Chinese. I would be the screenwriter who speaks Chinese and plays the oboe. That would be cool. I should get my hair cut short. Stop trying to fool myself and everyone else into thinking I have a full head of hair. How pathetic is that? Just be real. Confident. Isn't that what women are attracted to? Men don't have to be attractive. But that's not true. Especially these days. Almost as much pressure on men as there is on women these days. Why should I be made to feel I have to apologize for my existence? Maybe it's my brain chemistry. Maybe that's what's wrong with me. Bad chemistry. All my problems and anxiety can be reduced to a chemical imbalance or some kind of misfiring synapses. I need to get help for that. But I'll still be ugly though. Nothing's gonna change that.

I think he got a new hair cut.

In reply to this comment by chilaxe:
Lol... dear god that was funny once the link loads
In reply to this comment by gwiz665:
LOOOK CLOSER, LENNY!

should have it in hair dressers to preview hair cuts

>> ^Xax:
Perhaps the patrons were simply confused. Which is it: a mandatory fee, or a gratuity? It can't be both. If they want to charge an 18% service fee, that's what they need to call it -- and make sure patrons are aware of it before being served, and then deliver the good service they're charging for. If patrons don't receive what they pay for, should they be required to pay it?


If I got my hair cut, paid the girl that cuts my hair twenty bucks tip, then later that day called my bank to cancel the charge because I disliked the service, wouldn't I be in the wrong? What if I agree to a mandatory 15% gratuity before ordering the meal, then eat all the food I order and decide to not pay the gratuity because I disliked the service?

The subtle difference between these two is that in one instance you have an opportunity to "experience" the service before tipping and the other you agree to tip beforehand. Either way, you agree to it.

In my personal opinion, if the management knows anything about good business, they should just comp the patrons and be done with it. Nothing good comes from taking a moral position against the customer. Ever.



>> ^xxovercastxx:
How is arbitrarily multiplying the bill by 1.18 any different than raising the prices? Aside from not being apparent ahead of time, that is.



Because they don't add the gratuity unless there's a larger group of X amount or more. I've explained that a couple times. I'm not sure why you're jumping to the conclusion everywhere you go they add a compulsory gratuity to your meal. It's only under certain conditions.

that was awesome. But if you are going to have a secret knock, shave and a hair cut should be the last thing you pick. Maybe that's why he changed it.

too bad he was born too early for MMA, he looks like he had nasty skills.

Also, this guy is why you should never make fun of a strangers odd hair cut.

i am so separated from the culture that cares about this that i find the indecent hilarious.

from my very outsider perspective i see it like this:
Beyonce is beautiful lady and it was a nice old fashion song and dance video, so good for her.
Taylor Swift is a cute kid that summed up nearly every teen romantic comedy in a short video, so good for her too.
Kanye seems to be some melodramatic attention whore kid with a hedge row maze for a hair cut. So he's a dick, but predictable, yawn.

this hub-bub reminds me of another controversy recently that i found myself asking "what the fuck is a T-pain?"