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Chauvin Guilty of Murder as Calls for Police Reform Grow

newtboy says...

Bwaaahahaha. Too late. He might have been dismissed had it been brought up before deliberation started, but not now, it's over. Chauvin is convicted. You don't get a mistrial after a verdict, and a mistrial isn't exoneration, he would be tried again, with more witnesses and evidence. Even your video only claims it might help an appeal, not a mistrial. That cracker jack box law license isn't working, Bobby.

Chauvin's attorney is barely more competent than Giuliani. He put experts on the stand that hadn't examined the facts or evidence but came to conclusions anyway. His gawdawful defense is a MUCH better case for an appeal than a jurist that once wore a t shirt.

He may have a point that it's not proper to mislead on a questionnaire (although you support it, remember. Lying under oath is the smart thing to do if it helps your cause, according to you when Trump lied under oath in his depositions), but attending one MLK March doesn't disqualify a person from being a jurist, just like having a nice interaction with police or a decent estimation of them doesn't.

Edit: sounds like the jury question was had they participated in a blm protest, the rally he was filmed at was an MLK get out the vote rally Floyd's family happened to speak at, so he didn't lie.

It's a nothing burger brought up too late. He will appeal, and will bring this up, but it is far from meeting the standards to grant a new trial at this point. Even if he gets an appeal on other grounds, the evidence is overwhelming, he will simply be convicted again, possibly of harsher charges.

If he's not for some unfathomable reason, he will wish he was, because he will have a target on him and those with him for life. Prison is the safest place for him, and the only chance of safety his family has.

Sorry Charlie.

Edit: Funny how you are on the side of the murdering white cop and not the black murder victim here....and you still claim you aren't racist....but when a cop hurts a white woman or a violent white power MAGA moron you can suddenly see they're going too far.

bobknight33 said:

@surfingyt
@newtboy

Chauvin Juror CAUGHT Having LIED On Questionnaire, Attended BLM Protest, MISTRIAL Could Be Declared
What other baggage from the jurors will come out?
Who knows this information will be used by Chauvin attorney.

New Rule: The Good Sex Economy

newtboy says...

Yep, a comedian on a comedy tour taking a joke picture pretending to assault a sleeping woman who then quit of his own accord is exactly the same as a long term pedophile who enjoys his parties full support and never backs down or apologizes even after losing, or a philanderer who blackmail his mistress by taking naked pictures of her tied up and threatening to make them public then fights removal.

There is no equivalency. There's not a monopoly on one side, no, but there's absolutely not "every bit as much corruption and dishonesty on the Democrat side of politics as there is on the Republican". Republican dishonesty is about selling the country to Russia and raiding the treasury, and hiding or excusing inexcusable behavior and permeates everything they say. Democratic dishonesty is about which email account an email came from and pretending the leadership has no bias, and bowing to hyper sensitivity and disingenuous faux outrage.

For example...
Asked how his tax plan benefits the rich, he replied....
Trump: "No, I don't benefit. I don't benefit. In fact, very very strongly, as you see, I think there's very little benefit for people of wealth."

When asked about his rich friends....
"They can call me all they want; not going to help," he said Sept. 27, 2017. "I'm doing the right thing and it's not good for me, believe me."

When asked about the Trump zero tolerance plan to tear families apart as a political ploy, Trump claimed the Democrats did it and only they can reverse it, then he reversed his plan himself proving both family destroying lies to be lies.

The consistency, levels, and importance of the dishonesty from Republicans is exponentially greater than that from Democrats, who are far from perfect themselves.

Edit: Btw, Mahr has addressed the issue of him running for office repeatedly, he's capable and intelligent enough to be honest and say he's a horrible politician and would probably never run, and he knows he's far more influential exactly where he is than he might be as a freshman representative.....and he's smart enough to see that a candidate that gets out the vote for the opposition (like Clinton) is a horrendously stupid idea.
And Franken worked out great until he caved to false outrage and quit while pedophiles and abusive philanderers were welcomed into the opposing party feigning the outrage over a funny (but disrespectful) picture.

drradon said:

I don't understand why a-holes like this get so much credence and attention on this site as well as others. If Mahr and his very well heeled cronies are so capable and intelligent, let them run for office like the other comedian - Franken did ... and how did that work out????

And don't take this as support for the Trump Chumps - there is every bit as much corruption and dishonesty on the Democrat side of politics as there is on the Republican - the Democrats just sugarcoat it, and the media drools all over themselves supporting it...

God Isn't Allowed In School

RFlagg says...

Because of the shirt/meme shown around the 0:23 mark, where people ask "God, why do you allow violence in our schools" to which the reply is "I'm not allowed in schools". Remember that the Christian Right STRONGLY loves guns and are the biggest advocates of gun rights.

Every mass shooting, the Christian Right comes out and screams that it is a lack of God in schools and in our society that is causing the problem, not guns. It is never guns. It is the lack of God, and then violent movies and games, and mental health (which if true, then one would have to wonder why the GOP passed a law, which while it hasn't taken effect yet, makes it easier for mentally ill people to get a gun, and why every version of the repeal and replace Obamacare include massive cuts to mental health programs). Of course, other countries, as noted, doesn't include forced prayer in school, which the Christian Right wants to see returned, and they don't have the school shooting problems.

Basically, it is the Christian Right's fault. They have made fighting against gun control one of their major platforms. And as the Christian Right makes up the vast majority of Christians in the US (or at least the loudest, and near 100% guaranteed to get out and vote... which is why there won't be a Blue Wave 2018), they control the message. So the "God isn't allowed in schools" argument comes up every single school shooting as one of the most oft-repeated reasons for them. Just watch Fox News or any of the primary Christian programming like Jim Baker and 700 Club, and it is the lack of God in schools, the fact that there's a war against Christianity why we have these shootings.

The US is a country where a full 40% of the population believe the universe is under 10,000 years old. Where saying "happy holidays" is a war on Christianity, and that Christianity is the most attacked faith in the world, which proves that it is the one true faith. And this isn't hyperbole on my part, this is what they teach in the Christian Right churches, movies, shows, televangelists and the like (I used to be among their numbers). They honestly see attempts at controlling guns as an attack on their faith. They honestly ignore Jesus saying that it wasn't an eye for an eye and that he said those who live by the sword will die by it, and think that the right to own and defend oneself as a divine right from God himself. So they bring the lack of God as the reason for all these shootings in the US.

cloudballoon said:

It's almost stupid to drag religion into the gun violence/ownership issue. There are religious/atheist citizens who support/detest gun violence/ownership. What's the benefit of doing it?

Plumbers: 1 - Electricians: 0

President Trump: How & Why...

newtboy says...

*tripplepromote
Come on Sifty....try something new.

All the polls weren't wrong....the ones taken during the primary were dead on...the dozens that had Clinton tying or loosening to Trump, and showed Sanders winning by a landslide.

I totally blame the DNC and Clinton herself, they guaranteed this result by cheating during the primaries (and losing the votes of those they cheated) then rewarding the cheaters with top paid positions in her campaign. There was absolutely zero chance of her winning after that, and before that she only had a 50/50 chance. On top of that, it was 100%foreseeable that there would be an accusation <2weeks before the election, and no way for her to defend against it, because she's untrustworthy and opaque. Also, no one on the planet could have done more to energize the Republicans...she was their 'get out and vote', and it worked far better than the Democrat's enormous ground game. Turn those blame cannons around, Dems. This is on you.

Mika Brzezinski Calls on Debbie Wasserman Schultz to Resign

RFlagg says...

As much as I am a Sander's supporter. I can't support the idea of him running as an independent. That would split the Democratic vote too much, and the idea of a Trump Presidency is far too dangerous. I think the fact that the polls show again and again that Sanders would do much better against Trump should show the DNC that Hillary needs Sanders and his supporters far more than Sanders needs her and her supporters.

If I were Hillary I'd offer Sanders the VP spot. Even if he doesn't accept, he gets the prime time keynote spot. Then you also promise the Congressional Progressive Caucus get's at least 60% of the rest of the prime time spots, with moderates getting 40% of the prime time spot. Off prime time the CPC still gets 40% (no less than 33%). Between Sanders and the CPC having the bulk of the prime time spots, it helps move the progressive message forward.

She then needs to have a known progressive on her ticket. If she can't secure Sanders, she'd probably consider Warren, but unfortunately, two women might make too many independent voters nervous. So I'd push for Dennis Kucinich. The advantage with Kucinich is that he's a known progressive, and he'd help give Clinton Ohio. If you can't get him, then find a rising member of the CPC. Again, the idea is to push the progressive agenda. Warren and Sanders have to have spots in the cabinet though if they want in.

There's enough hate of Trump in the Republican ranks that I think this year is the year to push for 3rd parties, especially the Libertarian party since that is the one most likely to pull votes from Republicans looking for an alternative to Trump... it won't pull the religious right who'll stick with Trump, but the more sane minded Republicans will probably consider it over absentee voting. The anti-Trump Republicans need to push the idea of the Libertarian party, and then push for Republicans for the Senate and House to avoid loosing the Senate, which is possible...

The Democrats meanwhile need to do something to get people out and vote. Democratic turnout keeps going down, beyond what one would expect purely from the Voter ID laws Republicans put in to lower Democratic votes. They need to rally the base into actually getting out and voting. To secure not only the Presidency from Trump, but to overtake the Senate and start making a push for the House. Of course one of the main way they do this is start appealing to Sanders supporters, and the party seems so intent on dissing his supporters.

The DNC is way too dismissive of the actions in Nevada. The Nevada people went out of their way to make sure Sanders didn't win, they knew people were still trying to get in when they made rule changes... people they were holding back on purpose so they could push those changes through, then when those people got in, they of course were upset. The DNC, a party that publicly tries to support those who have been disenfranchised from voting, is going out of their way to disenfranchise a large percentage of its base... all just because it's Clinton's turn or something. Fine, let it be her turn, but don't shut out the movement. She needs to step to the left, and add a large number of progressive voices to her team. She and the DNC needs to reach out to Sanders supporters and other progressives and unite the party... Trump seems to be pulling in the moderates to his side. As split as the Republicans were at the start, they are starting to pull together far better than the Democrats are... and it isn't up to Sanders to drop out and push his support to her, she needs to be the one to offer an olive branch and start wooing him and his supporters. Right now they seem to think it's Sander's job... no, it's the leader's job... It isn't the Republican moderates reaching out to Trump, it is Trump meeting with them and wooing them. Some to less success than others, true enough, but he's doing far better at starting an appeal to the moderates than Clinton is to Sanders, his supporters and the progressives.

Samantha Bee - End of Cruz Campaign

TYT: Tom Perkins 1 dollar, 1 vote

Trancecoach says...

Incorrect. The "founding fathers" wrote into the Constitution that only non-slaves, land owning males could vote. That's what they wanted. It was Andrew Jackson who had the idea to enfranchise all men (but still not blacks or women though).

In any case, I still think voting is misguided at best.

newtboy said:

Absolutely not. The founding fathers wanted everyone (that was considered a person at the time) to have a say in their government, not only the rich or educated. They did set it up so only the 'educated' (and rich?) would be elected, with the electoral college that does the actual electing. Never did they support paying to vote, that's a thing they wanted to insure against.

Will Ferrell Wants You To VOTE!

60 Minutes: Medical Marijuana in Colorado

Fiver2 says...

I happen to live in Colorado and as a patient it is one of the easiest process to get a MMJ card and I have a billion places to shop. That being said quality and consistency are becoming an issue because the market is so flooded people are concentrating on price instead of anything. It is a get what you pay for business. Ive also herd that the money almost isnt worth even opening a store due to the cost of staying within government regulations.

Good thing "legalization" is on the ballot this year. GET OUT AND VOTE!

Let's Get Out and Vote (Between a Douche and a Turd)

Protesting Student Pulled From Wheelchair by Police

radx says...

>> ^littledragon_79:

Well, you know what students need to do, right? Get out and vote against those who would raise tuition/fees and advocate for themselves/those who want to keep education affordable.

Many did, that's partly why a coaltion of Tories and Liberal Democrats now run the show. Nick Clegg pledged to oppose any rise of tuition fees before the election, and now they realize the value of his word: nothing. Accordingly, polls saw the Lib Dems drop from 24% to <15% within days.

Protesting Student Pulled From Wheelchair by Police

littledragon_79 says...

Well, you know what students need to do, right? Get out and vote against those who would raise tuition/fees and advocate for themselves/those who want to keep education affordable. It's good to protest and I think they should, but I would think some of this never needed to happen.

I'm glad I got out of school when I did (US), it now costs about 3x more to go to my school and federal student loan rates are about double what mine are locked in at. And all I can say is I didn't vote for the twats who jacked it up.

dag (Member Profile)

blankfist says...

Interesting. Thanks for sharing. You should make voting compulsory on the Sift. It would be your egalitarian utopia.

In reply to this comment by dag:
Very true. It's a $100 fine if you don't vote - voter turnout is in the mid 90 percentile. People complain about it here, but I'm all for it. It results in a more representative government. One of the reasons the US skews so right-wing, IMO, is because it's the old fogies who consistently get out and vote, while the the college students are sleeping in, taking bong hits, we therefore get the government that the old, conservative voters want in America.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
I heard a rumor but wanted to hear it from someone in Australia before believing it to be true. I heard it's illegal not to vote in Australia. True?

blankfist (Member Profile)

dag says...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

Very true. It's a $100 fine if you don't vote - voter turnout is in the mid 90 percentile. People complain about it here, but I'm all for it. It results in a more representative government. One of the reasons the US skews so right-wing, IMO, is because it's the old fogies who consistently get out and vote, while the the college students are sleeping in, taking bong hits, we therefore get the government that the old, conservative voters want in America.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
I heard a rumor but wanted to hear it from someone in Australia before believing it to be true. I heard it's illegal not to vote in Australia. True?



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