The only wrong here is what was done to Lara. I don't think what happened to her was her 'fault', nor am I blaming her. I am blaming the crew's lack of common sense.
Voltaire said: "Common sense is not that common." This applies to both sexes.

I am simply saying this situation could have been avoided with more forethought. Which is true for a lot dangerous situations no matter what is between your legs.

Of course in a perfect world she should have been able to walk amongst an excited crowd without issue. However we live in far less than a perfect world. And that should be remembered by everyone that risks their own safety on a daily basis like reporters.
If Lara were a man and this had happened, I would feel the same way.


>> ^Gallowflak:

@<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/Delirium" title="member since July 29th, 2009" class="profilelink">Delirium
"This appears to me like the typical reaction to a rape story. They are looking for what the woman victimized has done wrong. I believe that the wrong lies solely with the rapist, in all circumstances."
And I think that this is intolerably idealistic, and there's a cultural fanaticism about never questioning whether or not the rape could have been avoided should the victim have altered their behaviour (in a reasonable way).
Rape is possibly the vilest, most destructive common crime there is, and gang rape is a perfect example of the inalienable barbarism of the human species. Two people that I love have been raped. I know what it does, and I know what the victim has to carry with them through the rest of their life. But in all things, you're taking risks. Part of being intelligent is balancing the risk in whatever it is you're doing.
The wrong does always lie with the rapist or rapists, that's for certain. Questioning whether the circumstances that the woman was in were at all negligent isn't, in my mind, seeking to attribute any blame to the victim, although there are plenty of misogynists who would. But rape is too awful, and too horrific, to allow ourselves to wander around in some fantasy land where cause and effect doesn't operate. People are not to be trusted freely and easily.
These sorts of situations are dangerous for women precisely because of the inherent weakness and grotesquery of man, especially in a mob like this, where responsibility can be diffused so broadly. Add to it that it's an Islamic society, a religion with an associated culture that almost literally belongs in the 9th century.
We can't afford to not be practical.

@Delirium

"This appears to me like the typical reaction to a rape story. They are looking for what the woman victimized has done wrong. I believe that the wrong lies solely with the rapist, in all circumstances."

And I think that this is intolerably idealistic, and there's a cultural fanaticism about never questioning whether or not the rape could have been avoided should the victim have altered their behaviour (in a reasonable way).

Rape is possibly the vilest, most destructive common crime there is, and gang rape is a perfect example of the inalienable barbarism of the human species. Two people that I love have been raped. I know what it does, and I know what the victim has to carry with them through the rest of their life. But in all things, you're taking risks. Part of being intelligent is balancing the risk in whatever it is you're doing.

The wrong does always lie with the rapist or rapists, that's for certain. Questioning whether the circumstances that the woman was in were at all negligent isn't, in my mind, seeking to attribute any blame to the victim, although there are plenty of misogynists who would. But rape is too awful, and too horrific, to allow ourselves to wander around in some fantasy land where cause and effect doesn't operate. People are not to be trusted freely and easily.

These sorts of situations are dangerous for women precisely because of the inherent weakness and grotesquery of man, especially in a mob like this, where responsibility can be diffused so broadly. Add to it that it's an Islamic society, a religion with an associated culture that almost literally belongs in the 9th century.

We can't afford to not be practical.

Durring Celebrety Apprentice, Obama arrived to kick Donald on his face,
To announce they found Osama at 911 Jihad Street in Pakistan?
Shot dead in a pile of chocolate bars and Jack Daniels and
After hitting him with 200 bullets, they Used several bazookas on him
They then used their Phasers on him,
Then, they all stood around and urinated on his corpse (according to Islamic tradition).
Then, After "Belly-Bucking", the US officials started to party, as did the whole of the US
while Osama, went to hell with 72 virgins for a gang bang?
Only to be gang-raped by pigs instead?


Clearly *WTF
I think this goes down as some of the most realistic and fact-checked news-reporting ever!

This is just disgusting.

A man is getting punched repeatedly, while sitting down and unable to properly defend himself, and no one does anything.

The attacker is then allowed to casually walk away while his moronic bitch of a girlfriend is allowed to further disrupt the entire restaurant and is only forced to leave after assaulting multiple people.

The management should have stepped in much sooner and, failing that, the other guests should have stepped in before (or immediately after) things got violent instead of standing around and gawking.

How many more people are going to be beaten, raped or killed while people stand around fantasizing about all the views their video will get on YouTube?

Here's an excerpt from an interview Neal Conan did today on Talk Of The Nation with NPR foreign correspondent Jamie Tarabay, about the attack on Lara Logan:

CONAN: And were you surprised to hear of this attack on Lara Logan?

TARABAY: Unfortunately, I was not. I want to begin by adding my concern and my sympathy to Lara and her family, and my best wishes for her at this time. But I do want to say that when it comes to the Egyptian government and Egyptian demonstrations, this is not the first time this has happened. There's a long history of the national ruling party sending out security forces or plainclothes policemen, no matter how you want to describe them, and with specific instructions to actually target women. And there have been well-documented instances, you know, even from the last presidential election in 2005, when they have, you know, described men tearing off the shirts of women, sexually molesting them, humiliating them to kow(ph) protests. This is not something that is new, unfortunately, but it's also nothing that's restricted to Egyptian demonstrations.

CONAN: Where else have you encountered this?

TARABAY: Well, you know, this is something that happens to, you know, female reporters, and not just reporters, but obviously women who are active in politics. And it happens - you know, there have been countless instances of female reporters being sexually harassed and, in some cases, gang raped - everywhere, from places like Pakistan to Angola.

CONAN: So clearly, not just a problem in the Middle East.

TARABAY: It's obviously a problem where security is bought and paid for, and there is very, very little respect for women rights. I mean, this is always an issue in a lot of these places.

So attacks like these are more likely in countries, anywhere in the world, where there is little respect for women's rights, but it also must be remembered that this was a targeted attack by government thugs rather than a random sexual assault by lecherous Arab mob members. I'd also like to point to the fact that it wasn't just women who saved Ms. Logan, but also a group of (male) soldiers. This type of behavior is not just an Arab thing. And every country with a good record on women's rights now doesn't have to go back too far in its history to see its shameful record then.

>> ^EDD:

>> ^alien_concept:
Children gang raping adults?

I know what it is you really want, you kinky perv:
>> ^alien_concept:
Taylor Lautner has my permission to do dirty naughty things to me, I don't care if he's only 12 or whatever!



Have you got a photographic memory or something?? I can't deny it though, you've got my number. Comments like that, a teen channel, job as a youth worker?? Call the fuckin cops!!!

>> ^alien_concept:

Children gang raping adults?


I know what it is you really want, you kinky perv:

>> ^alien_concept:

Taylor Lautner has my permission to do dirty naughty things to me, I don't care if he's only 12 or whatever!

Children gang raping adults?

>> ^bananafone:

Corroboration of her report is given here:
http://www.thelinknewspaper.ca/articles/2698


What corroboration? There's nothing in that report about threatened gang rapes, and the single strip search they heard about was second-hand information itself and they admit couldn't corroborate that information nor provide details about whether it was a justified search or conducted appropriately (ie by same gender officers).

Sheesh, that's a gang rape!

Hate crime? I thought it was a gang rape.

I was kinda expecting someone to get ritually gang-raped by cuddly woodland critters.

>> ^therealblankman:
Man, say what you will about the deficiencies of North American culture, but the Japanese are seriously fucked in the head.


i know right because organised gang rape would never happen in the wonderful usa.

I for one, vote to bring back majority rule! >> ^gwiz665:
Percentage wise, more people love gang rape than Obama.. huh, I never would've thunk it.
>> ^L0cky:
Gang rape; 9 out of 10 people enjoy it.

Percentage wise, more people love gang rape than Obama.. huh, I never would've thunk it.

>> ^L0cky:
Gang rape; 9 out of 10 people enjoy it.