>> ^Deano:

When you say "flush" what does that mean? Dab with a wet towel or spray water in large quantities at the face?
I think I would be useful in this situation given as you state that water isn't always the most appropriate first treatment.
>> ^NordlichReiter:
Man, this seems to happen more and more. Do I need to learn how to deal with this as a potential first responder?
http://www.revolutionhealth.com/articles/first-aid-for-chemical
-burns/sig256946
Have someone call 911 and you call National Poison Control Hotline (1-800-222-1222) for assistance identifying the type of chemical you are dealing with.
If acid is in the eyes rinse with low pressure water, large amounts of water. If there is acid on the eyes, it's to late to worry about what will happen when the water contacts the chemical at least that is my take on the whole affair. Remember I'm not a lawyer or a professional emergency medical responder but at any given moment anyone can become a first responder. The best thing you can do is keep the victim under as much control as possible so as not to cause anymore damage.

Chemical burns not rinsed with water
Some chemical burns are made worse if rinsed (flushed) with water.
Carbolic acid or phenol does not mix with water, so use isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol first to flush the chemical off the skin and then flush with water. If alcohol is not available, flush with a large amount of water. Do not flush the eye with alcohol.
Sulfuric acid is flushed with a mild, soapy solution if the burns are not severe. Sulfuric acid feels hot when water is added to the acid, but it is better to flush the area and not leave the acid on the skin.
Hydrofluoric acid is flushed with a bicarbonate of soda (baking soda) solution. (Use a small amount of water to make solution.) Then flush with a large amount of water. Burns from this acid may not show at first, so flush the area even if a burn is not seen. Do not flush the eye itself with a baking soda solution.
Dry powders, such as dry lime, are brushed away first, because adding water can make a liquid that burns. After the powder is brushed away, flush with water for 20 minutes.
http://www.revolutionhealth.com/articles/first-aid-for-chemical
-burns/sig256946

>> ^NordlichReiter:

Man, this seems to happen more and more. Do I need to learn how to deal with this as a potential first responder?
http://www.revolutionhealth.com/articles/first-aid-for-chemical
-burns/sig256946
Have someone call 911 and you call National Poison Control Hotline (1-800-222-1222) for assistance identifying the type of chemical you are dealing with.
If acid is in the eyes rinse with low pressure water, large amounts of water. If there is acid on the eyes, it's to late to worry about what will happen when the water contacts the chemical at least that is my take on the whole affair. Remember I'm not a lawyer or a professional emergency medical responder but at any given moment anyone can become a first responder. The best thing you can do is keep the victim under as much control as possible so as not to cause anymore damage.

Chemical burns not rinsed with water
Some chemical burns are made worse if rinsed (flushed) with water.
Carbolic acid or phenol does not mix with water, so use isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol first to flush the chemical off the skin and then flush with water. If alcohol is not available, flush with a large amount of water. Do not flush the eye with alcohol.
Sulfuric acid is flushed with a mild, soapy solution if the burns are not severe. Sulfuric acid feels hot when water is added to the acid, but it is better to flush the area and not leave the acid on the skin.
Hydrofluoric acid is flushed with a bicarbonate of soda (baking soda) solution. (Use a small amount of water to make solution.) Then flush with a large amount of water. Burns from this acid may not show at first, so flush the area even if a burn is not seen. Do not flush the eye itself with a baking soda solution.
Dry powders, such as dry lime, are brushed away first, because adding water can make a liquid that burns. After the powder is brushed away, flush with water for 20 minutes.
http://www.revolutionhealth.com/articles/first-aid-for-chemical
-burns/sig256946

When you say "flush" what does that mean? Dab with a wet towel or spray water in large quantities at the face?
I think I would be useful in this situation given as you state that water isn't always the most appropriate first treatment.

>> ^NordlichReiter:

Man, this seems to happen more and more. Do I need to learn how to deal with this as a potential first responder?
http://www.revolutionhealth.com/articles/first-aid-for-chemical
-burns/sig256946
Have someone call 911 and you call National Poison Control Hotline (1-800-222-1222) for assistance identifying the type of chemical you are dealing with.
If acid is in the eyes rinse with low pressure water, large amounts of water. If there is acid on the eyes, it's to late to worry about what will happen when the water contacts the chemical at least that is my take on the whole affair. Remember I'm not a lawyer or a professional emergency medical responder but at any given moment anyone can become a first responder. The best thing you can do is keep the victim under as much control as possible so as not to cause anymore damage.

Chemical burns not rinsed with water
Some chemical burns are made worse if rinsed (flushed) with water.
Carbolic acid or phenol does not mix with water, so use isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol first to flush the chemical off the skin and then flush with water. If alcohol is not available, flush with a large amount of water. Do not flush the eye with alcohol.
Sulfuric acid is flushed with a mild, soapy solution if the burns are not severe. Sulfuric acid feels hot when water is added to the acid, but it is better to flush the area and not leave the acid on the skin.
Hydrofluoric acid is flushed with a bicarbonate of soda (baking soda) solution. (Use a small amount of water to make solution.) Then flush with a large amount of water. Burns from this acid may not show at first, so flush the area even if a burn is not seen. Do not flush the eye itself with a baking soda solution.
Dry powders, such as dry lime, are brushed away first, because adding water can make a liquid that burns. After the powder is brushed away, flush with water for 20 minutes.
http://www.revolutionhealth.com/articles/first-aid-for-chemical
-burns/sig256946

Man, this seems to happen more and more. Do I need to learn how to deal with this as a potential first responder?

http://www.revolutionhealth.com/articles/first-aid-for-chemical-burns/sig256946

Have someone call 911 and you call National Poison Control Hotline (1-800-222-1222) for assistance identifying the type of chemical you are dealing with.

If acid is in the eyes rinse with low pressure water, large amounts of water. If there is acid on the eyes, it's to late to worry about what will happen when the water contacts the chemical at least that is my take on the whole affair. Remember I'm not a lawyer or a professional emergency medical responder but at any given moment anyone can become a first responder. The best thing you can do is keep the victim under as much control as possible so as not to cause anymore damage.

Chemical burns not rinsed with water

Some chemical burns are made worse if rinsed (flushed) with water.

* Carbolic acid or phenol does not mix with water, so use isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol first to flush the chemical off the skin and then flush with water. If alcohol is not available, flush with a large amount of water. Do not flush the eye with alcohol.
* Sulfuric acid is flushed with a mild, soapy solution if the burns are not severe. Sulfuric acid feels hot when water is added to the acid, but it is better to flush the area and not leave the acid on the skin.
* Hydrofluoric acid is flushed with a bicarbonate of soda (baking soda) solution. (Use a small amount of water to make solution.) Then flush with a large amount of water. Burns from this acid may not show at first, so flush the area even if a burn is not seen. Do not flush the eye itself with a baking soda solution.
* Dry powders, such as dry lime, are brushed away first, because adding water can make a liquid that burns. After the powder is brushed away, flush with water for 20 minutes.

http://www.revolutionhealth.com/articles/first-aid-for-chemical-burns/sig256946

My girlfriend is Polish, so I asked her to translate as I was puzzled as to what they were pointing out. I've pasted below for you to have a look at.

To be honest, I really struggle to see what they are referring to in the video. I suspect that this is a conspiracy theory which is building up due to the lack of information that the Russian and Polish governments are providing to the public.

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"This is the first movie of the catastrophe in Smolensk, made by mobile phone by one of people walking nearby

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0:23 - You can see tree people between trees
0:29 - one more time slower and with zoom
0:39 - first aid team?
0:49 - here you can see how they continue walking
0:50 - maybe they are watchers...? I don't know
0:53 - (voice) - "Be quiet!"
1:06 - (alarm syrena)
1:10 - have a look at this person
1:15 - Did you realise? It was someone raising their hands. Have a look one more time with zoom and slower
1:22 - Have a look one more time
1:27 - Some people are saying that this was the pilot (I don't know)
1:31 - Some noises
1:37 - "Give me a gun" (in Russian)! (?)
1:38 - "Don't kill us!" (?)
1:46 - (Shout)
1:50 - Here you can see a black person jumping from the plane
1:55 - Have a look slower
1:58 - One more time
2:07 - Shout
2:09 - Laughing behind camera
2:11 - Same person who jumped from the plane
2:16 - Have a look how he/she is falling over
2:20 - Changing plans (?)
2:25 - Attention
2:28 - And someone fell over - have a look again
2:35 - This looks like a shot in the belly
2:49 - This is an interesting video"

Yep, I was just about to make that comment. ISAF isn't the same as IAF. Also, our first aid trucks don't have a red cross on them, we have a red David's Shield, and our stop signs look different, and don't have the word "Stop" in the middle.

So @gwiz665, not those damn Israelis again, no
>> ^schmawy:

The truck says ISAF on the side.

Oh as a separate comment for anyone interested I believe from my last first aid class in the Navy that the compression/breath ratio was changed to 15:1 a few years ago.

I read somewhere other people are having this issue, too, but with other sites outside of VS... Here was a response:

Safari: One or all of these options may be needed to fix

Disable Private Browsing (Under Safari Menu, the Private Browsing)
Empty Safari Cache (Safari Menu, Empty Cache)
Clear Cookies (Safari Menu, Preferences, Security, Show Cookies, Remove All)
Reset Safari (Safari Menu, Reset Safari)
Reinstall Safari (Download from here)
Remove Autofill (Safari Menu, Preferences, Autofill, User Names and Passwords, Edit, remove the site that is having issues)
Remove Keychain Entry (Applications/Utilities/Keychain Access. Remove affected site, then go to Menu, Keychain First-Aid, then Repair.)
Delete cookie.plist file (/User Home Directory/Library/Cookies/Cookie.plist)
Advanced Safari Tip: Enable Developer menu using the command line: defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1 or download Safari Enhancer and clear cookies from this menu.

I may give it a go, and I'll let you know what I find if I do.

Gripping stuff. The vimeo page has a more detailed description should you want to read more about what happened. Here's a quick snippet:

This was a decent sized avalanche. 1,500 feet the dude fell in a little over 20 seconds. The crown was about 1 - 1.5m. The chute that he got sucked through to the skier's right was flanked on either side by cliff bands that were about 30m tall. He luckily didn't break any bones and obviously didn't hit anything on the run out.

He was only buried for 4 and a half minutes which is incredibly short. I cannot stress these next sentences enough; that in and of itself to be unburied in ONLY 4:28 is miraculous if you have any understanding of being caught in an avalanche and what it takes to be found. It could literally be some kind of "world record" just on how good the guide and supporting cast of other skiers was in getting to him. It also shows why you should ALWAYS be going with people trained in avalanche rescue / first aid....as well as why you'd want to be going with a guided heli operation. Sure this was terrifying for him, but he would've probably been dead if not for going with a guide.

Proper procedure for CPR.

* Untrained. If you're not trained in CPR, then provide hands-only CPR. That means uninterrupted chest presses of about two per second until paramedics arrive (described in more detail below). You don't need to try rescue breathing.
* Trained, and ready to go. If you're well trained, and confident in your ability, then you can opt for one of two approaches: 1. Alternate between 30 chest compressions and two rescue breaths, or 2. Just do chest compressions. (Details described below.)
* Trained, but rusty. If you've previously received CPR training, but you're not confident in your abilities, then it's fine to do just chest compressions.

How are people without cars and money supposed to evacuate?

With a cat-5 hurricane barreling at them, and living in a city that is 85% below sea level? Answer is: any way you can! Sell stuff you own to get the money to ride a bus or train... Trade goods or services for a ride... Catch a ride on the busses that Nagin & Blanco commissioned for evacuations... Ask a family member, friend, or neighbor who has a car to give you a ride... Beg for a ride... Hitchhike... Bike... Walk... They had over a week of leadup to the storm and knew for 2 days before it made landfall that it was cat-5.

The fact remains that the people had plenty of warning. They knew for over a week that Katrina was a monster and that evacuation was recommended. But a lot of them stayed because they thought it wasn't going to get 'that bad'. They made a bad situation into an even worse one because of thier decision to stay in a flood zone as opposed to buying/borrowing/begging a ride by any means necessary. They were told to evacuate. They didn't. That makes them a party in the responsibility for the aftermath.

I might add parenthetically that I live in an earthquake zone. I have 3 months of food, water & fuel storage for myself and my family. My primary vehicle has first aid kits, blankets, and emergency cash in the trunk. Quite literally I can grab a tent, toss in a few 5-gallon containers of water, be out of town in five minutes, and survive without any problems for over a week. I somehow doubt that the people who stayed in New Orleans were prepared the way I am for a disaster. But I've made my plans solid because I've lived in this risk zone for years and I have not been idle.

Theres video of this and the aftermath from more than one angle. He was walking away from the officer who attacked him.

According to ITN after he was knocked down the protesters helped him to his feet, he said some things to the Police, walked around the corner and collapsed.

At that point an ITN staffer went to get Police help and described the Police as "uninterested". Then he received first aid from a group of Police officers.

At no point did protesters hinder the Police from giving aid.

Terrible stuff, clearly this officer is not worthy of the job, at worst it further discredits how crowd control is handled by the Police in London, wearing masks, why? A mild example being how the Police used their vans to block all sight of peaceful Tibet protesters from the visiting Chinese premier.

Do you provide first aid?

he he First aid kit IN THE TRUCK

Most important first-aid tip when you're going to tease a cobra: Have some anti-venom available on location!