Me too. Ever since Fight Club we've all known that insurance companies make for horrible "people", and hopefully there will be enough fallout from this that they will decide on their own to stop being such bad citizens.>> ^KnivesOut:

Was just reading about this yesterday, I hope it balloons into a major PR problem for Progressive.

>> ^dag:

The lesson was for the sorry sayer, not the receiver. Saying sorry and meaning it is an acknowledgement of causing harm - minor empathy, most definitely Not sociopathic.>> ^criticalthud:
yes, learn how to say sorry when you don't mean it in order to make someone else feel a certain way, and to quickly forgive purposeful aggressive action.
good sociopathic training
dunno. what you guys see a dutiful lesson in good manners I see as training to be disingenuous.
and who is the lesson for? are you condoning that your child should expect an apology every time she's bumped into?
if you train your child to be a princess that the world should be apologizing to, make sure she stays in the USA.



ok, the first action was purposeful. did the first girl learn a lesson or learn that she could commit purposeful actions and then be forgiven for uttering a phrase? The lesson learned here for a little girl is that she can purposefully act, with malice, and be forgiven right after without ever having to examine her reasoning for committing the malicious act. The catholic church allows for the same behavior. it is essentially saying that you may escape responsibility for your actions by apologizing for it. this is pure fallacy, and a poor way to raise a child.

"say you're sorry" - learning how to say something in response is not learning appropriate behavior.

As to who receives the lesson in the second scene - who is the impressionable one here? who is in their formulative years? if you teach your child at this age that they are special and that they should (creating unrealistic expectations) expect an apology every time someone bumps into them, and the world must be polite to them, you're not doing them any favors.

in the second scene also, most here are in agreement that the older girl should be punished in some way, even though her actions lacked any intent. this is not how the law works, and for good reason.

but seriously, let's breathe for a second and reflect upon just how idiotic it is to force someone to say something they don't mean. this kind of junk in ingrained into our society and you guys are mirroring it. Fight Club got it right.

basically the plot of fight club.

I still haven't seen Fight Club.

I know... I know...

This is a dupeof http://videosift.com/video/Worst-Fight-Club-Ever.

I agree with virtually everyone's opinion here except for @videosiftbannedme and @syncron and all I have to say to them is you have no idea what's going to happen to this kid in prison. Yes I said kid even though your legally an adult in Texas at 17, this kid is going to go through hell in prison. The first thing that happens to any male prisoner under 40 in prison is they get checked at the door. Getting "checked" in prison usually consists of at least one convict and as many as 4 or 5 convicts simply walking up to the guy and beating the living shit out of him. It works like Fight Club if this is your first time to prison you HAVE to fight. If there is more than one guy doing the checking they "backdoor" you which means they fight you one at a time with no breaks between fights as soon as the first guy has his fill the next one steps up and they can all go as many rounds as they feel like. If you don't fight them they will turn you into a bitch, take your food your bunk your commissary money, your fucking toothbrush, everything and you basically become a slave at that point. Even if you do fight there is no way to win they make sure the fights are very one sided. And all this is simply his first day in prison. After that depending on how his check goes things will get worse or they will become living hell literally. Some prisons are know as gladiator camps because anyone this guys age is going to fight every single day he's there period like it not. Here's the real kicker too the fights are usually started by people with very long sentences who don't give a flyin fuck what happens to them if they get caught. But if this kid gets caught fighting they will add time to his sentence by adding assault charges in their military style kangaroo court. So he's pretty well fucked from the start.

So this kid who's most heinous crime was a little graffiti will spend 8 years fighting guys twice his size every single day. Then they will release him back into society and call him reformed. Tell me what do you think you would be like after something like that? Would you ever be able to call yourself normal again? Would you be able to sleep at night without jumping up at every single noise you hear?

Some people simply don't get it. Prison is only good for one thing putting people away for life. They DO NOT rehabilitate ANYONE. They only make things worse they should never be used for petty crimes. Putting people in prison only breeds hatred inside those people. It breeds fear as well, fear of going back. That's why people who are on parole when faced with the possibility of going back to prison usually commit suicide. Prisons are for murders, Prisons are for rapists, Prisons are for child molesters, Prisons are for sociopaths.

Prisons are not for graffiti.

>> ^Auger8:

I actually thought that only worked with chemical burns guess that's what I get by learning medicine from Fight Club. lol.
>> ^vaire2ube:
Perfect. This helped me understand why acetic acid in vinegar helps with burns ... by neutralizing the substances leaked from damaged cells and stopping the spread of the burn effect to other healthy cells.
I couldnt find a clear mythbusters type explanation on vinegar and burns, so looking up what happens with damaged cells/pain interactions got me farther.
"It takes the heat away from the burn" ... "It neutralizes the burn" ... weren't quite doing it for me.
Anyway thanks info!



That was vinegar neutralising the lye (strong caustic soda) which is a base and was dissolving the skin/subcutaneous fat, not soothing the burn.

I actually thought that only worked with chemical burns guess that's what I get by learning medicine from Fight Club. lol.
>> ^vaire2ube:

Perfect. This helped me understand why acetic acid in vinegar helps with burns ... by neutralizing the substances leaked from damaged cells and stopping the spread of the burn effect to other healthy cells.
I couldnt find a clear mythbusters type explanation on vinegar and burns, so looking up what happens with damaged cells/pain interactions got me farther.
"It takes the heat away from the burn" ... "It neutralizes the burn" ... weren't quite doing it for me.
Anyway thanks info!

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

But there's evidence of us both in the same room - unless it's some Fight Club kind of thing. http://videosift.com/talk/SoCal-LA-OC-SiftUp-July-2011

In the first few weeks of VideoSift, back in February of 2006. I will admit that we made a few test accounts, but less than 5 in total I think. Since then - we've been clean.

It's a big difference between VideoSift and other communities. We care about dupes of videos and people. Sites like Reddit and Digg don't. Different strokes. We modelled our culture after a site like Metafilter.


>> ^Sagemind:

So how many of our top users are really just Dag?
And does Lucky really exist?

singing a song about what's cool or not.....isn't cool

it's kind of a fight club thing....DONT TALK ABOUT BEING COOL!

Ok, that was good. A hell of a lot better than I would ever have thought. Pure WIN. I would if I could. promote
Now if we can just get them to do Fight Club....

oh yes i get your point as well and find it quite agreeable. just having some fun.

i've always appreciated the idea that true communism and totalitarianism could not coexist, and thus an unfair perception has been given to that word as well.

the root of communism we like quite well when we have a great community.

>> ^NetRunner:

I get your point, I'm just saying that America has this irrational antipathy towards the name Marx, the label Marxism, and socialism and the like. All people know of it is the evil caricature and the demagoguery, and nothing about the real ideas behind it, thanks to the way it's been erased from our culture through 1984-style propaganda and demonization.

The Fight Club/Marx connection only really clicked for me when I watched this clip, and I wanted to try to use that realization as an opportunity to say "here, buried in your fondness for Fight Club is what Marxism is really about" in an effort to deprogram my fellow countrymen...

Or instead we can just focus on how wrong it was for me to dare try to label people, even as a rhetorical gambit to start a deeper conversation.

>> ^criticalthud:

Yes, I guess my point is, while i agree with most of what someone named jesus christ supposedly said, calling me a "Christian" wouldn't be terribly accurate, and would have a tendency to associate me with something more than just ideas.
and Karl Marx wasn't the first, present, or last person to think rationally.
perhaps Marx should sue for copyright infringement. ?

Yes, I guess my point is, while i agree with most of what someone named jesus christ supposedly said, calling me a "Christian" wouldn't be terribly accurate, and would have a tendency to associate me with something more than just ideas.

and Karl Marx wasn't the first, present, or last person to think rationally.

perhaps Marx should sue for copyright infringement. ?



>> ^NetRunner:

The main premise of the movie was the alienation inherent in capitalist societies.
The quote isn't "we are not our labels", it's:

You are not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.

@dystopianfuturetoday I guess the word Marxist still scares the bejeezus out of people.

Yes, it's more complex than an anti-commercialist screed, but then so is Marx's critique of capitalism.

Yes, by the end it's clear that this philosophy has led a band of proletariat men to wage a violent revolution against the hierarchy that enslaves them...again, just like Marx said they should.

To a younger me, the way I would have described the theme of the movie is freedom. We're not talking about bogus libertarian freedom, but that left-wing style freedom, the kind borne from the insight that "things you own end up owning you."

To a decade older me, it's not just a vague philosophy without a name anymore, it's the Marxist critique of capitalism. And the stuff at the end about violent revolution led by a charismatic (and fake!) dictator seems like a screenwriter's critique of the rest of Marxism.

It's been a while since I've seen Fight Club, but I kinda remember that Eddie Norton looked horrified at the very end, not triumphant. I think he'd finally had his dreams shattered, by the very act of realizing them.