Bear in mind that you can't really compare it to the next generation like Nightmare on Elm St, Poltergeist etc. since they're already moving away from the straight-up slasher - more complex plots, adding mainstream elements like humour, and far bigger budgets.

The comparison to Halloween is reasonable since it really was a Halloween wannabe, but it's a bit like saying you're not as smart as Einstein.

Now, if you really want to diss the film, compare it to Evil Dead which came out only a year later on a smaller budget.

I finally watched it last night. It wasn't good as Halloween, Nightmare on Elm St., etc.

i trust spielberg to be heavy handed and this looks as heavy handed as ever. plus extraordinarily cynical with the use of all the warner IP used (iron giant, matrix, nightmare on elm st., akira, back to the future, etc.) and a completely incoherent trailer.

I wonder if this is really an improvement over other methods. I bet that wood has to be really dry for it to work so easily; I can imagine something like a fresh elm log getting stuck on that bit and wrenching the motor right off its mounts.

BTW, I wanted to add a small comment at the end of this. Something I didn't add back then (but, looking back upon it, I think I should have).

It is regarding the little comment I mad e about feeling a connection to "something" bigger than me, then describing what this "feeling" was like.

I wanted to make it clear that the human mind, our testimony, and our eye-witness accounts are very, very undependable... A sad, but absolute truth.

Most cases that have been thrown out of court later on--once new evidence is brought to light; like DNA evidence--has shown over and over again that in many of these cases, the "victims" or prisoners sent to jail--for doing nothing--were sent there almost entirely on eye-witness testimony and accounts. Then the DNA shows that their entire "story" (because that IS exactly what it should be called), merely served as a way to put an innocent man in jail, and to keep that DA/prosecutor's record as close to "awesome" as possible (because we really DO care FAR too much about a DA's record than whether the person being prosecuted should actually be here, let alone if they are guilty or not). The defense attorney has the same problem; I'm not really sure WE should care about these things (only so much as to whether the state IS actually bringing cases to court that SHOULD be there...).

I have severe sleep apnea and also narcolepsy. With this I get sleep paralysis (basically every night) and an extreme amount of hypnagogic hallucinations (more than powerful enough that i fully understand why many believe in both ghosts and aliens--amongst other creatures). The "feeling" and situation I described above can very easily be traced back into this little issue of mine. It creates everything you could imagine--I even had a hypnagogic hallucination powerful enough that it felt as though someone or something was trying to yank me "through" my bed (hello, Nightmare On Elm Street"--I was actually more intrigued by the event than anything else, akin to a researcher). While most people would have run yelling from there house, or at the least gone to get comfort and forgone sleeping in that room AND bed for quite sometime...I went right back to sleep.

This is why KNOWING what you are up against, what it can do to you, and how powerful it really can be (especially on your psyche and even your physical state is very important...). I knew all of this before it ever happened AND I had also noticed the hypnagogic hallucinations doing A LOT of very small auditory based things--all the time--to me, but they sounded realistic (like dogs barking off in the distance, people whispering outside your window...across the street, telephones ringing upstairs, people you know talking or saying things--like your name--sometimes to the point that you have to ask them if they called for you...and YES you do feel like an idiot, but if everyone knows your physical problems, due to the sleep disorders, they understand what it going on, and can laugh with you when it happens--EVEN the scary ones).

Sleep paralysis happens to be when your body tries to wake up, but it doesn't quite get there. hence you end up in a state were you are both awake and asleep at the same time (dreaming to be accurate). These events have a tendency to be a bit like the hypnagogic hallucinations, in that they can seem real, since you are half-awake. History has a great many examples of SP--the ones that don't seem that scary, like visiting angels. To those that can create bone-chilling "ghost stories", like demons and succubi. There is a very famous painting of a "breath-stealing" demon, depicting a SP event (many people did in fact DIE in their sleep from "lack of breathing", this is where SP fiction AND the reality of many of the SP sufferers having severe sleep apnea--something fully unknown in that day and age--were not taken into account, and instead it was a demon! Many people that DO have sleep paralysis events have dreams and dream like events that are close to and resemble each other, so there must be a basic psychological connection in the formation of many of these dreams--even space alien abductions seem to have this same thing in common...

So when a big SP or hypnagogic hallucination comes along, and just by chance it happens to mix with each either (if you suffer both), you can get some truly panic inducing events (go look these up, if you don't understand why they could be so panic inducing--you'll understand pretty quick why they SUCK; luckily, as I've gotten older my mind has created two ways to deal with sleep paralysis events; the first it created, and I don't know how to be honest, is that I realize in these "half-dreams" that if I relax I will gain all of my abilities back...sure enough it works every time, but it can be VERY hard to do this when you have a pure-evil, shadow of fear standing 10 feat from you; then lately...and I think this happened literally due to the shear volume and amount of SP events I've had...I can basically FORCE myself to move again through willpower alone, allowing me to wake up as well--doing this actually feels "odd", it feels uncomfortable, like you are "going against the grain" and then suddenly breaking through a wall that wasn't allowing you to do what you wanted; so I imagine this "ability" forcefully allows me to make my body stop it's "protective" mode that it is in as you sleep and it is ALSO what causes the "paralysis" in all sleep paralysis vents...it is just your body doing what it should)...

Also, from what I've noticed, it seems to me that almost all hallucinations at some level are directly linked with whatever in the mind allows us to dream or create very vivid "imaginations". Both my sleep paralysis events AND especially my hypnagogic hallucinations, accompanied by the fact that I have indeed ran into "run of the mill" hallucinations (caused by adverse effects from medical prescriptions in the past), they ALL seem to be essentially linked together from what I noticed. I'd have to look around and see if there are others that have as many vantage points as I do, and also agree that they seem linked.

Throughout history people have seen these two aspects as something they absolutely are not OR not even close too! Yet FAR too many people don't ask the absolutely obvious question that they ALWAYS should have! Why, do ghost, aliens, demons, angels, you name it, show up at NIGHT (or for those that have odd sleep schedules: when you are TIRED or about to SLEEP--or just have...)?!? The answer should, indeed, be obvious... All of these things have to do WITH our sleep or something with our ability TO sleep (you don't necessarily need to be asleep or need to have just woken up for this stuff to happen to you; my narcolepsy shows this is absolutely true--as I can get hypnagogic hallucinations at ANY time of the day, sometimes without warning). The creatures and gods we have created do indeed exist, but they are located at the border between where our brain can see clearly and when our brain could use some rest--then we all live in our dreams.

So, be careful about how much stock you put into anything you believe is true, especially because you "believe" you have witnessed or experienced something magnificent... Believe it or not, seeing is NOT believing! Science always had the right idea, you MUST allow others to confirm what you found, and if they cannot find it--no matter even IF you "found it"--you might need to be able to accept the harsh reality that somehow you didn't see or experience what you thought you did (but, it can still be amazing)...

*promote

I was an enormous, enormous fan of the Nightmare on Elm Street movies as a child. I dressed up as him every year for Halloween.

A very WTF moment from a 1986 box office flop directed by Wes "A Nightmare On Elm Street" Craven.

P.S...........Have a thumbnail

Of course you realize the Celestial Room was probably built by Murry's Contractors down on 8th and Elm. They likely hire illegals.

>> ^rychan:

Amazingly, none of those children were hurt:
http://www.ncsbs.org/crash_reports_2003/school_bus_rolling_over.htm
So, it's OK that we all laughed our asses off.


"... None of the 30 kids on the bus was seriously injured. Davis has been a driver for Logan Elm for four years, Roberts reported..."

That sounds like there were some minor injuries.

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but I do love me some Nightmare on Elm Street.

From another youtube clip of this video:
"Say Anything/Dirty Dancing/Ghostbusters/Weird Science/Ghost/Sixteen Candles/ Pee Wee Herman/Karate Kid/ET/Fatal Attraction/Star wars/When Harry Met Sally/ Poltergeist/Top Gun/Splash/Teen Wolf/Back to the Future/Risky Business/Indiana Jones/Ferris Bueler's Day Off/The Shining/Weekend at Bernie's/ Fast Times at Ridgemont High/Predator/Big/Cocktail/Sem­i-Pro?/Flashdance/Nightmare on Elm Street/Freddy vs Jason/Twins/Caddyshack/Termina­tor/???/Little Shop of Horrors Blues Brothers/Breakfast Club"

The guy they show after Terminator is actually the actor that played Kyle Reese in T1...

This was definitely a year of shit movies. Here's my list, although there are quite a few critically acclaimed movies that I've yet to see.

Good
-True Grit
-Social Network
-Kick Ass
-Get Low
-Inception
-Toy Story
-Yeardly

Bad
-Harry Potter 7.0
-Grown Ups
-Tron 2
-Nightmare on Elm Street
-Scott Pilgrim

Ugly
-Last Airbender
-Alice in Wonderland
-Burlesque

>> ^Sagemind:

I liked the old campy horror movies.
The death scenes were fun in movies like Friday the Thirteenth and Nightmare on Elm Street.
I find the effects in movies like Saw and Hostel too real. The trauma I feel as I watch these is almost akin to actually experiencing it in reality. Kudos to the film makers for creating these scenes but I would rather not have to subvert my brain to them.



I'm the same entirely. I watched the first one after much coercion, and though I enjoyed it, was a good story and all, it's just too realistic for me to cope with. Obviously it's far fetched, but essentially it could happen, haha. Urgh!

I liked the old campy horror movies.
The death scenes were fun in movies like Friday the Thirteenth and Nightmare on Elm Street.

I find the effects in movies like Saw and Hostel too real. The trauma I feel as I watch these is almost akin to actually experiencing it in reality. Kudos to the film makers for creating these scenes but I would rather not have to subvert my brain to them.