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Japanese Dolphin Hunt Condemned By World

newtboy says...

Oh. Well, it seems that it's the concept of ownership you don't like if I understand you. I have hippie cousins that talk that way (especially when they want something) until you ask them for money or something else they 'own', then suddenly the concept makes sense to them... momentarily. I dislike that hypocrisy far more that the concept of ownership...but that's just me.
EDIT: ...Also, I don't understand what you mean by 'laying claim to them'. If you eat it, you 'laid claim' to it, right? Japan isn't claiming they "own" all the dolphins, only the one's they catch to eat. I don't see this as different from ANY other wild caught food, do you? Can you explain?
Because something is used as a resource does not necessarily mean it's 'owned' by the user, for instance, air is a natural resource used by every person on earth (or off it), but it is not 'owned' by anyone. The same went for water until recently, it is now being claimed by those with the ability to claim it...sadly.

Sagemind said:

No pretty much meant that wild animals in any form are not a resource for countries to posses. I find a distaste for man's belief that everything on this planet is there for him. Other living beings are not resources. Sure we eat animals, that's the chain. But laying claim to them in terms of owned resources, I dislike.

Japanese Dolphin Hunt Condemned By World

chingalera says...

Yeah it's amazing huh, and 'FUCK YOU WHALES, as wail.The examples of native American and Anglo acting for convenience-sake as an analogous gesture is mute, they were ignorant savages back when....Better, stronger, faster is what the world is about nowadays, eh?

That folks can't understand the consternation of someone who may regard Japan with the contempt for the state of their psychological baggage of mindfuck that created the "today of Japan" that should be clearly seen by all humans with a conscience what can be seen clearly by the entire world with half a fucking brain, is not a concern...Love the Japanese, but they like all nations, cultures and peoples are hard-pressed to do the work needed to un-fuck themselves into the next paradigm of 'humans being' as fast as the planet's urgency warrants, all are guilty of an inevitability of self-immolation.

Japanese, Russians, the Swiss, and cunts with no ethnicity or countries that they know of, seem to suffer from the same state of illusion the entire world finds themselves suffering. Plus, females of all cultures are treated for the most part like shit by their males....kind of like most folks sit back and let those aquatic mammals closest to humankinder be so fucked .Incorrect? Provide examples or throw us in some penalty box and cry racism, or any 'ism' box, you fucking morons.

Are we, OVER-generalizing, or is herding mammals into an enclosure and poking them with sticks something that looks a-ok and sanction-able by sane, thoughtful peeps?? I would not wish this fate on a single Japanese citizen be they native or expatriate. Dolphins have cocks, just like humans do.

Have yourselves herded into an enclosure and experience what happens.

Oh and, fuck rules. Always have, always...will.

(Slinks-off to eat a dolphin sandwich and don boots and a vest made from similar hide, and read Mein fucking Kampfire, under the glow of a human-skin nightshade made from faux beaver.)

Xaielao said:

Fuck'a you DOLPHIN!

Sorry, couldn't help myself

You know the native american's butchered the bufallo by the thousands too right? Just like the early Europeans they learned that driving them off a cliff was a great way to get a whole seasons meat. And they didn't use 'every part of the animal' either.

It's amazing what TV and movies have taught people that simply isn't true.

Xaielao (Member Profile)

Japanese Dolphin Hunt Condemned By World

newtboy says...

I must disagree. Because WE don't USE them as a food resource does not mean they aren't one...and even if you don't think they should be food for anyone (and I'm not sure why that should be the case, but I do understand why many people wouldn't want to eat them both because of sentimental and health/meat contamination reasons) they are used as a 'resource' in many countries including the USA...a tourism resource is still a resource.
Perhaps you meant 'dolphins should not be a food source'?

Sagemind said:

Dolphins are not a "Resource"

Japanese Dolphin Hunt Condemned By World

chingalera says...

We give a fuck about dolphins considering the torches lit so far at this stage in the rail-running, jump into a can of tuna you mammalian fuck-fish-It's not about the fish or dolphins at this point, MY beef is with white people and their insistence on not being able to derive meaning from the written word.NOT racist.

SDGundamX (Member Profile)

Japanese Dolphin Hunt Condemned By World

Xaielao says...

Fuck'a you DOLPHIN!

Sorry, couldn't help myself

You know the native american's butchered the bufallo by the thousands too right? Just like the early Europeans they learned that driving them off a cliff was a great way to get a whole seasons meat. And they didn't use 'every part of the animal' either.

It's amazing what TV and movies have taught people that simply isn't true.

Japanese Dolphin Hunt Condemned By World

SDGundamX says...

Sorry, I'm unclear why you are comparing killing a few hundred dolphins a year to killing the buffalo (which were slaughtered by the millions). I already said the international community should intervene if there was any threat to the continuation of the species by the hunting and no such threat has been shown. And livestock raising is as much of an ecological threat (see this U.N. report) if not more so than overfishing, seeing as it is directly tied to global warming.

I'm curious where you got the facts on Japanese cuisine? I'm also curious what you think the Japanese people should eat if not fish? Before replying, please read this incredibly well-researched essay about the state of food consumption and production in Japan. You'll also want to read this article about the state of maritime fishing which shows that Japan is not nearly as much of a culprit as you seem to be implying--many countries around the world rely on maritime fishing to feed their people--and that by properly managing fishing hauls sustainability can indeed be maintained. In Japan's case especially, because the population (and hence demand for food) will continue to decrease over the next 50 years.

I suspect you are not basing your opinions about Japan off of the evidence. Perhaps you read the articles about blue-fin tuna consumption (Japanese consume 80% of all blue-fin tuna caught and stocks are hitting dangerously low levels), in which case you definitely have an argument against consuming that particular fish but it seems a bit odd to extend that argument to say Japanese people should not be eating fish or that they somehow don't care about the environment.

Sagemind said:

My complaint is the over fishing of the waters, not just in their areas, but in International waters as well. Everyone else has agreed to slow or stop certain types of fishing but the Japanese just walk in and scoop everything up , with a "more for us attitude."

And fishing / killing animals that were bread for food stocks is much different than killing wild animals en mass, intelligent or otherwise. Remember the Buffalo? I would be just as put off if Canadians, rounded up hundreds of Caribou into herds and outright slaughtered them as well, humanly, inhumanly or otherwise.

I believe the Japanese have not solved the "feed it's population" problem, because it relies to much on the over fishing of the oceans. They are having to travel further and further out to catch enough fish to feed their population. So, it's unfortunate, but a slowly spiraling population is not all bad in an over populated area that cannot sustain that population.

I love that they use so much from the sea, I love Japanese food. I just wish they would have a better consideration for the environment. The oceans, although filled with food, is not a viable and sustainable source for food in the long run. They can't even begin to monitor the ecological damage they are doing.

Japanese Dolphin Hunt Condemned By World

enoch says...

@chingalera
@SDGundamX
you guys should just make out and get it over with.

im with gundam on this.
its the definition of hypocrisy.

in fact i will even take it a step further.
did you guys know its a federal offense to take snapshots or video the giant corporate owned slaughter farms?

now companies like IBP like to site reasons such as "privacy" and "ownership" but the real reason isnt too hard to put together.if the american public ever saw how their cheeseburger came into existence the sales of beef and pork would plummet.

so while it may be disturbing to watch flipper getting corralled and mass executed,lets be at least honest with ourselves.

we view dolphins much like we view or cats and dogs.they are considered a "pet" class and not a "dinner" class.

the japanese do not.to them the dolphin is meat for dinner.

we would react the same to country fried lassie steaks and garfield goulosh.

now if we were talking how asia destroys the shark population JUST for their fins,then i think there would be a valid argument to be had.

but this is about dinner and our perspectives on certain animals.

what do you guys think?

*promote the discussion.

Japanese Dolphin Hunt Condemned By World

SDGundamX says...

Back to the video at hand, I find it a bit hypocritical that the U.S. is criticizing the hunt. Yeah, dolphins are cute. The idea of someone killing one is probably uncomfortable to pretty much any culture that hasn't spent centuries eating them. But I think there's a bit of ethnocentricsm going on here.

How many cattle, chicken, and turkeys get slaughtered every day in the U.S. in the most horrible ways--nevermind the horrific conditions most have to endure from birth until death? Where's the international outcry over that?

The primary complaint of this video seems to be that the dolphins die slowly, but the video fails to mention that's only if the procedure is done wrong. It's done that way precisely because Japanese laws require the butchering to be done quickly and when done correctly they die within seconds. I imagine the whales killed by Inuit's in their traditional hunts don't die much quicker (see http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/20131008/save-whales-inuit-whalers-wary-whaling-commission-quotas for more details).

Basically, while I find the method they use to kill disturbingly inhumane, I also don't see the need for the international community to intervene in the hunt unless it can be shown that the hunt is adversely affecting the population. The primary reason hunting dolphins is stupid is because the meat contains alarmingly high concentrations of mercury which pose a major health risk to humans that habitually eat the meat.

Japanese Dolphin Hunt Condemned By World

Remote control Spy Turtle watches dolphin pods

mindbrain says...

http://jdp.co.uk/programmes/dolphins-spy-in-the-pod

"The Spy Creatures were designed to infiltrate the dolphins’ hidden lives by looking like the marine creatures a dolphin might encounter in their everyday lives. The intention wasn’t to fool them, they’re far too clever for that! These novel devices tweaked the curiosity of the dolphin pods, encouraging the dolphins to let them into their lives, allowing them to capture behaviour that has never been seen before."

Remote control Spy Turtle watches dolphin pods

SFOGuy says...

I was thinking the same thing; for dolphins, which live in an acoustic, not visual world, I wonder if all the coloration and stuff even makes a difference; I mean, to the dolphin's sonar, unless it's been very careful matched, fiberglass/plastic can't be bouncing the same as a flesh and shell---or can they?
Still, cool. Because dolphins, the jesters of the deep...

*quality

Longswd said:

They can immediately tell it's not real through use of their sonar, which gives them an ultrasound-like picture of the insides of it.

I imagine that's why they find it so fascinating. Had they thought it the real deal, they wouldn't be paying any special attention to it. If the goal of the program was to document natural behavior, it's died aborning.

Remote control Spy Turtle watches dolphin pods

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