I just had a lengthy conversation with alien_concept on messenger - she wrote me - and with her blessing I'm going to put it verbatim here, so you can get an idea of where we stand:
(apologies for not having a [[snip]] here)

15-09-2009 12:32:36 Rachel Nicki i'm about to get a nap in nicki
15-09-2009 12:32:50 Nicki Rachel don't hate me
15-09-2009 12:32:52 Rachel Nicki but i just wanted to say, everything you have explained is fair
15-09-2009 12:33:06 Nicki Rachel ok
15-09-2009 12:33:11 Rachel Nicki and i think that a lot of all of us have just not understood the others sideof things
15-09-2009 12:33:26 Rachel Nicki and a lot hasn't been said so as not to hurt the others feelings
15-09-2009 12:33:42 Nicki Rachel heh, that didn't work out too well
15-09-2009 12:33:46 Rachel Nicki my reaction was what you said in the sift talk thread
15-09-2009 12:33:52 Rachel Nicki about telling secrets
15-09-2009 12:34:07 Rachel Nicki at that point whether you had said anythign about me or not, it felt like it was aimed at me
15-09-2009 12:34:20 Nicki Rachel aah, I never said anything like that
15-09-2009 12:34:31 Nicki Rachel I don't think we had any real secrets either, did we?
15-09-2009 12:34:36 Rachel Nicki "if you had any secrets with me, they're not secrest anymore"
15-09-2009 12:34:41 Nicki Rachel I'm so sorry if you felt that hit you
15-09-2009 12:34:46 Rachel Nicki no, other than the jake thing, no
15-09-2009 12:34:59 Nicki Rachel I did not tell the other sanything about that
15-09-2009 12:35:00 Rachel Nicki not that ic are if anyone knows anymore, but i just felt it was another way of abiting me
15-09-2009 12:35:05 Rachel Nicki youc an see why, can you not?
15-09-2009 12:35:06 Nicki Rachel I was just being facetitious
15-09-2009 12:35:23 Nicki Rachel yes yes, of course.. I didn't mean that
15-09-2009 12:35:30 Nicki Rachel god, I've been so stupid during this whole thing
15-09-2009 12:35:38 Rachel Nicki no nicki, we all have
15-09-2009 12:35:43 Rachel Nicki we ALL have
15-09-2009 12:35:46 Rachel Nicki it's a lesson learnt
15-09-2009 12:35:50 Nicki Rachel I really didn't want to make you feel bad
15-09-2009 12:35:58 Rachel Nicki i get that now
15-09-2009 12:36:01 Rachel Nicki ok?
15-09-2009 12:36:11 Nicki Rachel oh this is bad
15-09-2009 12:36:11 Rachel Nicki like is aid, lessons learnt
15-09-2009 12:36:18 Nicki Rachel I can't fucking stop crying
15-09-2009 12:36:22 Rachel Nicki i should have ben honest with you but i was stuck between a rock and a hard place
15-09-2009 12:36:43 Nicki Rachel I'm sorry, I'm sorry
15-09-2009 12:36:53 Rachel Nicki it's ok, look nicki, it's ok
15-09-2009 12:36:58 Nicki Rachel I only ever wanted to be your friend
15-09-2009 12:37:06 Rachel Nicki you are vilifed in this, everyone has said their piece
15-09-2009 12:37:11 Nicki Rachel we talked so much shit, that it just felt natural at the end
15-09-2009 12:37:12 Rachel Nicki you have back up
15-09-2009 12:37:36 Rachel Nicki yes i understand that, which is why i never wanted to push it and tell you
15-09-2009 12:37:47 Rachel Nicki i blame myself for letting it get that far, i shouldn't expect you tojust know
15-09-2009 12:37:52 Rachel Nicki i have to go right now
15-09-2009 12:38:00 Rachel Nicki i will bbs ok
15-09-2009 12:38:10 Rachel Nicki i'm leaving vs but it's not cos of you, it's cos i want to
15-09-2009 12:38:19 Nicki Rachel Ok, I hope you will talk to me again at some point
15-09-2009 12:51:29 Rachel Nicki so yeah like i said i am leaving
15-09-2009 12:51:37 Rachel Nicki but it's because thats' what needs to hapen at this point
15-09-2009 12:51:43 Rachel Nicki i was goin to anyway, but quietly
15-09-2009 12:51:53 Nicki Rachel ok
15-09-2009 12:51:56 Rachel Nicki then i was drunk on sunday mornign, saw your post and thought ohhh fuck you man
15-09-2009 12:52:17 Nicki Rachel can I explain that one?
15-09-2009 12:52:17 Rachel Nicki certainly didn't expect anyone elses reactions, not rasch's or beas
15-09-2009 12:52:38 Rachel Nicki so it wasn't like i posted to bring it all to light, i just wanted you to know
15-09-2009 12:52:39 Nicki Rachel I made that limerick, because I remembered all the good times and I wanted you to too
15-09-2009 12:52:41 Rachel Nicki yeah go on
15-09-2009 12:52:56 Rachel Nicki no not that post, the one in the sift up thread
15-09-2009 12:53:01 Nicki Rachel oh
15-09-2009 12:53:04 Rachel Nicki that one i was just ignoring, but i got it at the time
15-09-2009 12:53:23 Rachel Nicki i know that it had come out of nowhere, but i felt the best course of action was to ignore thinking you'd give up
15-09-2009 12:53:36 Nicki Rachel well, that one was not directed at you at all
15-09-2009 12:53:59 Nicki Rachel I promise you, the only things I mentioned about you and me, was that you didn't want to talk to me anymore
15-09-2009 12:54:02 Rachel Nicki it felt like it,t hat's all i'm saying
15-09-2009 12:54:10 Nicki Rachel and I didn't really understand why
15-09-2009 12:54:14 Nicki Rachel I do understand now
15-09-2009 12:54:28 Nicki Rachel But I really, really didn't get it after your final message
15-09-2009 12:54:49 Rachel Nicki no i gett hat
15-09-2009 12:54:54 Nicki Rachel because I had done nothing different or especially grivous between us talking fine and that
15-09-2009 12:54:54 Rachel Nicki but like i said it wan't just bea
15-09-2009 12:55:13 Nicki Rachel ok?
15-09-2009 12:55:14 Rachel Nicki it was just the level of it, and i felt you didn't understand what i was saying about me and jake, how serious we were
15-09-2009 12:55:29 Rachel Nicki but i get that our convios could have left you confused
15-09-2009 12:55:44 Nicki Rachel Well, you have said to me that it was very serious
15-09-2009 12:55:52 Rachel Nicki i am very outright and i dont have too many mimits myself, so i understand why you didnt' take it into consideration now
15-09-2009 12:56:09 Rachel Nicki limits*
15-09-2009 12:56:27 Nicki Rachel and I didn't try to become your boyfriend except way at the beginning before you told me about jake, when I was just interested
15-09-2009 12:56:36 Nicki Rachel after that it was all shits and giggles
15-09-2009 12:56:39 Nicki Rachel or so I thought
15-09-2009 12:56:49 Nicki Rachel I mean, I never tried to come over and surprise you in london
15-09-2009 12:56:56 Rachel Nicki i guess when i kept telling you that i wanted to meet up with jake first, and i got PM's from you saying that you'd fund tickets and whatnot, i just felt like you weren't ever going to understand
15-09-2009 12:57:11 Nicki Rachel I wanted to meet you sure, because I feared something like this would happen
15-09-2009 12:57:41 Nicki Rachel oh, well that was just me being a dick, that whole "be afraid" thing was meant to be with a glint in the eye
15-09-2009 12:57:49 Nicki Rachel I'm so sorry if you felt threatened by that
15-09-2009 12:58:02 Rachel Nicki i didnt' feel threatened, it's not like you know my address
15-09-2009 12:58:05 Nicki Rachel I just noticed the ticket prices when I booked the trip to texas
15-09-2009 12:58:18 Rachel Nicki i just felt like you weren't understanding my position
15-09-2009 12:58:33 Nicki Rachel I think you told me your address way back, but I don't have a record of it anyway
15-09-2009 12:58:43 Rachel Nicki and i'm either too coward or too cautious of peoples feelings to say it to you outright
15-09-2009 12:58:46 Rachel Nicki and i shold have dine
15-09-2009 12:58:51 Rachel Nicki so i take that responsibility
15-09-2009 12:59:00 Nicki Rachel I totally understand you wanted to meet jake first before any other sifter
15-09-2009 12:59:05 Nicki Rachel I do respect it
15-09-2009 12:59:10 Rachel Nicki cool
15-09-2009 12:59:15 Rachel Nicki like i said
15-09-2009 12:59:26 Rachel Nicki this is a big lesson learnt in miscommunication and prsumptions
15-09-2009 12:59:40 Nicki Rachel I hope that you won't hate me for ever.. I really liked you and was glad about our friendship
15-09-2009 12:59:44 Nicki Rachel hah, yeah
15-09-2009 12:59:47 Rachel Nicki i didn't think my post would blow so wide
15-09-2009 13:00:00 Rachel Nicki but it has, and it's all laid out and you have laid yourself out
15-09-2009 13:00:05 Rachel Nicki and that is very clear
15-09-2009 13:00:10 Nicki Rachel It was the only way I could deal with it
15-09-2009 13:00:18 Nicki Rachel but I don't think I can bear the brunt of it much longer
15-09-2009 13:00:26 Nicki Rachel it's just starting to hurt and that sucks
15-09-2009 13:00:33 Rachel Nicki copy this convo, say you have spoken to me
15-09-2009 13:00:49 Nicki Rachel ok
15-09-2009 13:00:56 Rachel Nicki explain that you realise now that you took the way we spoke to you the wrong way, and you let it bleed over into real life
15-09-2009 13:01:01 Rachel Nicki that all makesperfect sense
15-09-2009 13:01:19 Nicki Rachel I already did that just now in the thread
15-09-2009 13:01:22 Rachel Nicki and make sure you say that we have ALL learnt things frmo this
15-09-2009 13:01:35 Nicki Rachel but I will add this conversation to it, just to finish it up
15-09-2009 13:01:36 Rachel Nicki ok
15-09-2009 13:01:49 Rachel Nicki you do that
15-09-2009 13:01:55 Rachel Nicki could you edit my typos
15-09-2009 13:02:00 Nicki Rachel hah
15-09-2009 13:02:17 Nicki Rachel have fun where ever you are off to now
15-09-2009 13:02:35 Nicki Rachel and if you ever think of me with a good thought, please stop by and say hello
15-09-2009 13:02:37 Rachel Nicki and make sure you add this bit of the convo too
15-09-2009 13:02:47 Rachel Nicki bea does NOT deserve to be annihilated for this
15-09-2009 13:03:17 Rachel Nicki this is clearly an amalgamation of a hundred things
15-09-2009 13:03:22 Nicki Rachel I know that, but the accusations I've heard makes me very angry
15-09-2009 13:03:24 Nicki Rachel yeah, it is
15-09-2009 13:03:53 Rachel Nicki well then, with my blessing post this convo
15-09-2009 13:03:59 Rachel Nicki and good luck to you all
15-09-2009 13:04:08 Nicki Rachel Like I said, I can be very oblivious, but I'm not malicious
15-09-2009 13:04:20 Nicki Rachel Ok, thank you and good luck to you as well

Have fun!

Go hang out with the first lady! Fly to Venus, dine on sunshine!

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5812DV20090902

Legitimate arguments? Like the Government of Canada being a tyrannical government?

Logical space? Like equating health care reform with mob rule?

Trying to have a conversation with you is like arguing with a dining room table.

Don't get me wrong, I love my meat. I love all kinds of meat. I have killed, skinned, and butchered animals myself. I take pride in my ability to do this.

But this is too much. I was taught as a child to be respectful to animals, ESPECIALLY the animals I dine on.

Some of these comments are just ridiculous.

Winstonfield, QM - dining room table. Nuff' said.

Funny how some Congressman can play the race card and get a free ride. Read the transcript.


Rachel Brown: I think the Administration is missing something in these town hall meetings, which is, that it's not just one group. The economy is collapsing. We have 30% real unemployment. Forty-eight states cannot balance their budgets and they are cutting programs to the bone. This is the context under which the Obama Administration says we need health-care reform—

Barney Frank: Well, I'll tell ya—

Brown: I'm not done. The reason why, is because they say we need to limit Medicare expenditures in order to do that, in order to reduce the deficit. That's the origin of this policy. This is the T4 policy, the Hitler policy in 1939, when he said certain lives are not worth living; certain people, we should not spend the money to keep them alive. Which is exactly what Ezekiel Emanuel has said.

So, my question to you is, one, since this policy is already on its way out—it already has been defeated by LaRouche—my question to you is: Why do you continue to support a Nazi policy, as Obama has expressly supported this policy? Why are you supporting it?

Frank: When you ask me that question, I am going to revert to my ethnic heritage, and answer your question with a question: On what planet do you spend most of your time?

Brown: [Inaudible; apparently asks Frank to answer the question.]

Frank: You want me to answer the question? [visibly and audibly enraged; lisp more pronounced:] Yes, you stand there with a picture of the President defaced to look like Hitler, and compare the effort to increase health care to the Nazis. My answer to you is, as I said before: It is a tribute to the First Amendment, that this kind of vile, contemptible nonsense is so freely propagated.

Brown: [Inaudible.]

Frank: Ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to have a conversation with a dining room table. I have no interest in doing it.

John Velleco brought a knife to a gun fight. He was totally unprepared for this interview. Constantly sidestepping questions.

I dont think there should be reason for -anyone- to bring a gun to a presidential anything. The only reason to bring one would be to prove a point through fear tacticts and is completely rediculous. To quote barney frank, arguing this is like talking to a dining room table.

and im not arguing the right to have weapons. I think its perfectly fine for people to own / use guns. But I'm with the other guy. It should be able to be regulated in such a way that prevents things like this.

>> ^blankfist:
These comments really sicken me. What's so terrible about what Pennypacker said? Is it because he made controversial contrarian comments and added the word "neolib"?
Please stop ridiculing and picking on the dissenting voices on this site. This is exactly the issue I take with majority opinion whether it begins from the left or right; it breeds not only sheep, but self righteous hatred. When you hear a voice of the minority, it should be our human duty to embrace it and make efforts to understand it instead of ostracizing it outright. To me, there is not a higher purpose for a man than to shirk his belief system so he can try to understand another's, and I defy anyone to prove me otherwise.
I simply do not understand this place anymore. It is filled with beautiful understanding people, yet when dealing with a political dissenter they demand blood (pardon my hyperbole).

Beautiful. Spot on. Bravo. Upvote, quality, the works. You're right, I'm wrong. I apologize on the behalf of all liberals. Our bad.

Wait, there was more?

Additionally, I'm growing more and more tired of people creating political fabrications to control opinions:
My great friend DFT is labeling Hitler the same as Bush, saying they're both right wing as if being right wing makes you evil like Nazism. This is nothing more than political posturing and beneath us all. Hitler's party was the National Socialist German Workers Party. You seriously cannot get more left than that!

Hypocrisy! You condemn people who casually toss out Nazi references, and then casually toss out a Nazi reference?!

Boo! Hiss! I demand blood! Kill the nonbeliever! This is like arguing with a Nazi dining room table!

To be perfectly honest, whether you're left or right has little to do with whether you're an authoritarian committing genocide or not. Your left and right politics doesn't make you evil. You have to make a choice, as a leftist or a rightist, to be evil.

Too bad this sounds a bit like "even if you're a leftist like the Nazis, you can still choose to do good! Like Oskar Schindler!" after that Godwin turd you dropped in the middle of an otherwise feel-good comment.

My dining room table demands an apology! Silence should be considered an asset and certainly does not warrant a comparison to that girl.

>> ^Throbbin:
Winstonfield - you are a sad, sad man. Arguing with you is like arguing with a dining room table.


LOL!!!

Please Winstonfield take your gun, go with your sister (that is also your wife) and go play the banjo, and cover that red neck of yours

Winstonfield - you are a sad, sad man. Arguing with you is like arguing with a dining room table.

I think he was a bit out of line comparing her to a dining room table. I figure a nice throw pillow or maybe one of those neon royal-flush lamps.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'health care, town hall, dining room table' to 'obama, hitler, nazi, health care, town hall, dining room table' - edited by calvados

"... Dining room table..." lol. I have to use that sometime

The coding gag is amusing.

HAHA - eating evil pies.

Dining room chair personalities - awesome.

Lawful evil? Ouch. He really didn't like this game, eh?