All you do not want to know about White craft glue.

http://www.gamblincolors.com/msds/pva.html

MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET

Manufacturer's Name:
GAMBLIN ARTISTS COLORS CO.
PO Box 15009
Portland, OR 97293

Product: Poly Vinyl Acetate (PVA) Glue

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SECTION 1—PRODUCT IDENTITY
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Date prepared: 7/09/97 Emergency telephone no. 503/235-1945

Preparer's Name: R. Gamblin

Chemical name: Ethlyene/Vinyl Acetate Coplolymer

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SECTION II—HAZARDOUS INGREDIENTS
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Chemical names CAS# Wt% OSHA PEL ACGIH TLV
This product contains no hazardous
materials under the current OSHA standard.

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SECTION III—PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS
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Boiling range: 212 F Specific gravity: 1 - 1.4
Vapor pressure: 17 % volatile (volume): 45%(water)
Vapor density: 0.62 Evaporation rate (BuOAc = 1): 1

Solubility (specify solvents): Soluble in water. Insoluble in solvents.
Appearance and odor: white liquid; slight odor.
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SECTION IV—FIRE & EXPLOSION DATA----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Flash point: >220 degree F
Extinguishing media: CO2 , dry chemical, water fog
Special firefighting procedures: water or foam may cause frothing if directed into
container of burning material. Use water to cool containers exposed to heat.

Unusual fire & explosion hazards: Immerse in water after use.
Reactivity: product is stable
Hazardous polymerization: will not occur
Conditions to avoid: avoid extreme heat

Hazardous decomposition products: Stable under normal pressure.

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SECTION V—HEALTH HAZARD DATA
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Route(s) of entry: Eye contact, ingestion of paint
Acute health effects: Eye contact may cause redness or irritation
Poly Vinyl Acetate (PVA) Glue MSDS Page 2

Inhalation: N/A
Ingestion: No known adverse health effects.
Skin contact: No know adverse health effects.

EMERGENCY FIRST AID PROCEDURES:
Eye contact: Wash with clean water for at least fifteen minutes. If irritation persists,get medical attention.
Inhalation: If swallowed, induce vomiting.
Skin contact: Flush with water; use soap if available.

CHRONIC HEALTH EFFECTS:
Not listed as a carcinogen by the NTP, IARC, or OSHA; no adverse long-term
effects are known.
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SECTION VI—SPILL OR LEAK PROCEDURE
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Steps to be taken in case material is spilled: Soak up spill with absorbent materials and place in containers.
Waste disposal method: Spill area can be washed with water; collect wash water for approved disposal. Do not
flush to storm sewer or waterway.
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SECTION VII - SPECIAL PROTECTION DATA
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Respiratory protection: none normally required
Ventilation: none normally required
Protective gloves: none normally required
Eye protection: safety glasses if eye contact is likely; eyewash fountain should be accessible.
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SECTION III—STORAGE & HANDLING DATA
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Precautions to be taken in handling and storage: store away from high temperature. Read and observe all
precautions on product label.

Other precautions: wash hands after use.
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The information contained herein is based on the data available to use and is believe to be correct. However,
Gamblin Artists Colors Co. makes no warranty, expressed or implied, regarding the accuracy of these data or the
results to be obtained from the use thereof. Gamblin assumes no responsibility for injury from the use of the product
described herein.

>> ^dag:

I would say no. It's an adaptation of our brains that makes us better hunter gatherers but that's it.>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
Here is something to chew on, is color an actual property of light, or a property of minds. IE, does color exist outside of minds as a real property.



I agree, completely>> ^BoneRemake:

Its like that question about a tree falling in the Forrest, you don't have to experience the light to know it is made up of the different bands.


Right, it could be shown that light has different wavelengths outside of a minds ability to understand it. But it isn't necessary that light wavelengths be colorful; the visual experience of 475 nm isn't necessarily blue more than it is the flavor strawberry. It is perhaps a trivial distinction for some, but minds are very interesting me.

I think I am approaching a logical construct that would also deconstruct space and time in the same fashion as color. Now, just have to construct the ACTUAL reality...no problem

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

I would say no. It's an adaptation of our brains that makes us better hunter gatherers but that's it.>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

Here is something to chew on, is color an actual property of light, or a property of minds. IE, does color exist outside of minds as a real property.

would you compare the McD french fries to deep fried "real food" potatoes? i think its biased comparing cooked food to uncooked food when it comes to molding or decomposition... in a lot of places where refrigeration isn't available cooking is the method of preserving raw food surplus for later use.... please make your own burger and fries using only organic food... cook them properly then keep them in your lunch box for the next 4 years to compare.

and what does inability to decompose/break down in air have anything to do with digestion or human health, don't you eat grains, spices, grains, beans... honey!... all these things won't get "the thing you find at the corner of your shower" when you keep them for too long... are they "not real food" too

don't get me wrong, i agree that McDonalds is "super" unhealthy, but i doubt if it's because of the reasons you mentioned.

Final thought on this:

That bald guy who is a detractor they keep showing? He's a doctor of forensic medicine. He understands decomposition and he's calling it bunk... Who you going to believe? The guy who knows how things die and decompose, or the volunteer makeup artist who doubles as the "ALCOR Head of the Stabilization team" in her spare time.

I have very mixed feelings about it.

First of all, I do not intend to criticize the OP(s) for being "members" of alcor.

It is a VERY cool idea and I would do it in a HEARTBEAT if I was a bit more confident in their science.

The way I understand it is that yes, there are organisms that can survive being frozen and then reanimated in either simple or complex ways. That said, I do not believe that human beings are built to make this probable.

The questions are ones of time, money, and science. Science right now CANNOT do this. The methods by which Alcor (and the other place) are "preserving" bodies has not been proven to encourage a non-existent procedure of reanimation.

This technology will not be available for a LONG time, if ever. I don't believe it is impossible, but I believe it is the sort of thing which would come FAR in advance of where our medical science is now. I believe that the science involved would have to not only have to unfreeze but reverse certain aspects of decomposition that happen WAY too fast for this to be possible. Unless you are being frozen almost instantly while still alive, which I do not believe is legal since it would be tantamount to euthanasia. So in my mind, we are talking about advanced techniques of cell manipulation and reconstruction which don't remotely exist. This brings me to

Will Alcor still exist in 300-1000 years? What provisions are being made for this?

I hate to say it, but I think the partial answer lies in Alcor's profits. I doubt they would ever release their financial statements, but you can probably tell a LOT by what their financial situation is.

If Alcor is actually legit, and not just to separate the future-minded person with expendable income from their money, they won't exist for long. The money involved in keeping these bodies in suspended animation for hundreds of years will not allow them to stay in business forever and eventually the plug will be pulled on these tubes and that will be that.

That's the best case scenario.

The worse case scenario is that this is a scam. They probably know damned well that they are banking on solutions that don't (and probably won't) exist in their own lifetimes. Therefore they charge money to people who like the idea, enjoy their Ferraris and dump the bodies in about 50 years when there are no living relatives so the inheritors of Alcor can continue the business. Another clue: their staff is volunteer based with little to no medical background... yeah.

I know I'm being a bit pessimistic, but it is very much akin to UFOs... there are lots of people that believe in UFOs and there are lots of people who make product for those who believe in UFOs. Some of them also believe in UFOs, but I suspect a vast majority see a market that is booming and money to be made. Whenever someone is trying to sell you something, you know that they know it is bullshit.

It is like all the 2012 hysteria. Why am I seeing commercials for SUVs and McDonald's tie-ins for a movie about the end of the world? Why do we have major corporations sponsoring shows on the Discovery channel "analyzing" the Mayan predictions about the last few years we have left? Money... it's always about selling me something.

But seriously, I really don't mean to be a debbie downer about this, but it is just a flash in the pan. I just really hope that you aren't spending money that could be better spent elsewhere.

Finally, I REALLY question the idea of preserving just the head. All I can think of is this scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oL7XP0ROvk

Skip to 2:12

This whole discussion is why I instantly think climate change is a device to keep people fighting and arguing.

For fucks say, what is the real truth? Is there any; besides what the plutocrats tell us on the magic boxes we stare at all day?

You would think Climate Change is the new god damned religion of the sentry. Well fuck you, I remain skeptical because I will always disbelieve something that a lot of people believe; like god, and that a cake is a lie. I know Evolution is fact, because I could prove it for myself. I know climate change has something to do with the evolution of the human species and the only branch of the Homo Genus to industrialize the earth; but how does that compare with volcanoes, forest fires, and decomposition of flora?

For fucks sake every one needs to chill the fuck out, science is approximate not exact and if it were we would not be here arguing about it.

Someone post all of the studies they can find on climate change to this thread. Don't cherry pick em; break them up into sections; if it's a white paper then post it.

Then let people read them for themselves. Don't think that the scientific community is not without corruption, every community in the world has some semblance of corruption.


Climate Change is the new Fad didn't you know? Every one is wearing the T-Shirt.

Agnostics are the people that realise how dumb religions are but don't want to face up to the fact that after death there is nothing.

Actually, after death comes decomposition. If you claim there is "nothing", then you probably appeal to this sense of "conscious experience" that I'm talking about. The matter doesn't go anywhere.

Pussys.
All this talk about "having balls". As far as I'm concerned, balls is what got us into this mess. Show me the yoni.

>> ^Payback:
Probably something simple like flash-boiled the water in the melon. I doubt it could have created enough hydrogen and oxygen to explode that quickly.

What he said, decomposition wouldn't happen so instantly.

That is very *EIA .
This is why you do not take those instant cold ICE Packs and bang them around and shit.

You crack the water module, and then shake the liquid down onto the ammonium nitrate pellets.

http://home.howstuffworks.com/refrigerator7.htm

This house hold product is an interesting item, much like non dairy coffee creamer. These are both very dangerous, in the hands of idiots.

http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/a6048.htm

Inhalation:
May cause irritation to the respiratory tract; symptoms may include coughing, sore throat, and shortness of breath. At high temperatures, exposure to toxic nitrogen oxides decomposition products can quickly cause acute respiratory problems. Inhalation of large amounts causes systemic acidosis and abnormal hemoglobin.
Ingestion:
Large oral doses of nitrates may cause dizziness, abdominal pain, vomiting, bloody diarrhea, weakness, convulsions, and collapse. Harmful if swallowed. May cause methemoglobinemia resulting in cyanosis.
Skin Contact:
Causes irritation to skin. Symptoms include redness, itching, and pain.
Eye Contact:
Causes irritation, redness, and pain.
Chronic Exposure:
Small repeated oral doses of nitrates may cause weakness, depression, headache, and mental impairment.
Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions:
No information found.

>> ^choggie:
Who cares who wins?
Who cares who loses?
Worthless rhetoric and drum beats from both sides, same sides, no sides like the middle-
Worthless fandom, meaningless affiliations, time drags on, more of the same more of the same, more of the same.....
pie are round, cornbread are square-
diversion, regurgitation, ism's, anities, ists and team spirit.......pallor, detritus, decomposition decay......life goes on-

THAT'S THE AMERICAN SPIRIT!!! Fly your flags up high, or don't fly them at all...fuck it...it's all superstitious tradition done to satisfy the "team player" in us all. Why not cheer for your own team when your down 21 to nothing in the last 3 minutes of the 4th quarter? Cheer or not, the outcome will be the same. One in the loss column is what we're all facing. We have no control of the situation, what we have to ask ourselves is do we want the illusion of control?

Who cares who wins?
Who cares who loses?
Worthless rhetoric and drum beats from both sides, same sides, no sides like the middle-
Worthless fandom, meaningless affiliations, time drags on, more of the same more of the same, more of the same.....
pie are round, cornbread are square-
diversion, regurgitation, ism's, anities, ists and team spirit.......pallor, detritus, decomposition decay......life goes on-

Thank god, some balm for the faint of character-ignore what taxes the mind, always good for keeping the status quo....

*Weak

So what happens when blocked member comments don't appear on the post threads of these whiners, and their brains implode for lack of the complete picture???

Oh, nothing, never mind, that will simply be a comfortable zone for the mentally challenged whose gray is already in that safe, secure state of decomposition-

We require a list of all blocked user comments, blocker, and blockees....in order to make this pogram a huge success

Bad idea Lucky, short-sited and foolish, wouldn't you agree *cough *cough freedom of speech, *cough *cough

Reminds of that great Dead Kennedy's song....

What's so alarmist about comparing the decomposition of a natural food and a manufactured food. Even mold rejects the burger as a food source, why should I expect to find nourishment in it?

<places cheeseburger into thigh storage for later>

Actually, if a straw-bale house is properly built and maintained, there shouldn't be an issue with decomposition -- they can easily last as long as a conventionally-built house. They cost around the same to build, yet are incredibly energy-efficient, are made from non-offgassing materials, and are impressively fireproof.

I know somebody who built a huge straw-bale home near where I live in Ontario, which gets pretty cold winters, usually averaging -15°C to -20°C. Construction was completed in the fall, and because he was still researching alternative heating options for the house, he hadn't installed a heat source by the time winter hit. He discovered that a small space heater in the living room was enough to heat the whole house.

At least in my part of the world, there doesn't seem to be any trouble getting building permission or insurance for straw bale houses. I've heard that they are even more widespread in the USA than here. As more get built, the building techniques will continue to improve and the costs will inevitably come down further as well.

Thanks for the video, Mink! I'm in total support of green living options.