1,2,1,2,3,4
We accept her, one of us, we accept her, one of us!
Gooble gobble gooble gobble!
We accept her, we accept her!
We accept her, one of us, we accept her, one of us!
Gooble gobble gooble gobble!
We accept her, we accept her!

(We-we) we came, we saw, we kicked it's ass,
I was testing you - and you passed,
Dental plan! Lisa needs braces,
Be required to fart on a regular basis,
I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse,
Channel 13 - Eyewitness news!
Robocop, who is he?
Dead or alive you're coming with me.

In a hurry to be fed, beady eyes and big blue head.

I'm telling the truth Doc, you gotta believe me,
Why does everything I whip leave me?
My beautiful chocolate! Candy is dandy,
Fava beans and a nice Chianti,
You can count on Slippery Pete,
Suicide will be nice and neat!
I didn't build the Panama canal,
Open the pod bay doors please, HAL,

These aren't the droids you're looking for,
These aren't the droids we're looking for,
I am not a number I am a free man!
Rosebud.
To The Idiotmobile!
Right away Michael,
I-I-I-I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered.

We came, we saw, we kicked it's ass,
You don't understand I coulda had class,
Round and tasty on a bun,
Ooh Zippy look what you've done!
Finally! Cast off those lines!
No, I've been nervous lots of times,
Red Rum! What's the matter honey?
Just robbed Boss Hogg all of his money!

We came, saw, we kicked it's ass,
Writing checks your body can't cash,
I was elected to lead, not read,
I feel the need - the need for speed,
Watch out for snakes, a good man's loafer,
HQ - my hat looks like a muffin - over,
My god it's full of stars,
There was no driver in the car..

In the car (repeat)

Well you see I'm in hot pursuit!

There are only two things I love in this world - everybody and television!
#The Simpsons
#Run With Us!
Ugh - you must be shrooming,
Wait for me Moomin!
Cross live to meet the host of that show, Meat Boy,
I want to go to there.

We came, we saw, we kicked it's ass,
An oil tycoon - like a.. moustache,
Nice beaver! I just had it stuffed,
I don't give a shit, close enough,
Where's me washboard? I'll get me coat,
Y-y-y-you're gonna need a bigger boat,
What'd she say? I think she bought it,
Suck it monkeys! I'm goin' corporate!
C'mon let's take a drive! A drive?
Number 5 is alive!
It's only a laugh, no harm done,
Pickles, french fries, yum yum yum,
Bueller, Bueller, Bueller,
It's 2 degrees cooler,
The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long,
Six words in the whole song.

We-we-we accept her, one of us, we accept her, one of us!
Gooble gobble gooble gobble!
We accept her, we accept her!
You are number 6 5 4 3 2
I am not a number, I am a free man

We came, we saw, we kicked it's ass,
Give me my 20,000 in cash,
We came, we saw, we kicked it's ass,
I think you woke up the dead with that blast
We came, we saw, we kicked it's ass,
I think fast, I talk fast,
We came, we saw, we kicked it's ass,
Lois, this is not my Batman glass,

Though I'm no stranger to rock and roll, I was unable to recognize all the riffs, so I copy/pasted the below list from the Brodie Cumming web site for reference:

1 Stairway To Heaven - Led Zeppelin
2 Smoke on the Water - Deep Purple
3 Sweet Child O' Mine - Guns & Roses
4 Wanted Dead Or Alive - Bon Jovi
5 Layla - Eric Clapton
6 Black Magic Woman - Santana
7 No More Mr. Nice Guy - Alice Cooper
8 Beat It - Michael Jackson
9 Crazy Train - Ozzy Osbourne
10 Dr. Feelgood - Motely Crue
11 Smells Like Teen Spirit - Nirvana
12 Sweet Home Alabama - Lynyrd Skynyrd
13 Cowboys From Hell - Pantera
14 Enter Sandman - Metallica
15 Mister Sandman - Chet Atkins
16 One Step Closer - Linkin Park
17 Back In Black - AC/DC
18 Purple Haze - Jimi Hendrix
19 Black Dog - Led Zeppelin
20 Crazy On You - Heart
21 Immigrant Song - Led Zeppelin
22 Bulls On Parade - Rage Against the Machine
23 Unchained - Van Halen
24 Bad To The Bone - George Thorogood
25 Johnny B. Goode - Chuck Berry
26 Surfing with the Alien - Joe Satriani
27 Money For Nothing - Dire Straits
28 Cult Of Personality - Living Colour
29 Start Me Up - Rolling Stones
30 Sunshine of your Love - Cream
31 Runnin' with the Devil - Van Halen
32 Hells Bells - AC/DC
33 Foxy Lady - Jimi Hendrix
34 Frankenstein - The Edgar Winter Group
35 Aqualung - Jethro Tull
36 In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida - Iron Butterfly
37 Carry On Wayward Son - Kansas
38 (Don't Fear) The Reaper - Blue Oyster Cult
39 Cemetary Gates - Pantera
40 Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love - Van Halen
41 Walk This Way - Aerosmith
42 Tonight 'm Gonna Rock You (Tonight) - Spinal Tap
43 Life in the Fast Lane - Eagles
44 Come As You Are - Nirvana
45 Zero - Smashing Pumpkins
46 Nothin' But A Good Time - Poison
47 Round n Round - Ratt
48 It's Not Love - Dokken
49 Rock and Roll, Hoochie Koo - Rick Derringer
50 Norwegian Wood - Beatles
51 Under The Bridge - Red Hot Chili Peppers
52 Kashmir - Led Zeppelin
53 Train Kept A-Rolling - The Yardbirds
54 Blackbird - Beatles
55 Eye of the Tiger - Survivor
56 All Along the Watchtower - Jimi Hendrix
57 Brown Eyed Girl - Van Morrison
58 Ace Of Spades - Motorhead
59 Breaking The Law - Judas Priest
60 King of the Hill Theme - Brian David Blush/Roger Meade Clyne
61 All Right Now - Free
62 Are You Gonna Go My Way - Lenny Kravitz
63 When I Come Around - Green Day
64 Trilogy Suite Op.5 - Yngwie Malmsteen
65 Born To Run - Bruce Springsteen
66 Pretty Woman - Roy Orbison
67 Day Tripper - Beatles
68 Panama - Van Halen
69 Born To Be Wild - Steppenwolf
70 More Than A Feeling - Boston
71 Cat Scratch Fever - Ted Nugent
72 Bark At The Moon - Ozzy Osbourne
73 Hair Of The Dog - Nazareth
74 No More Tears - Ozzy Osbourne
75 Just A Girl - No Doubt
76 Iron Man - Black Sabbath
77 Sweet Emotion - Aerosmith
78 Pride And Joy - Stevie Ray Vaughn
79 Sharp Dressed Man - ZZ Top
80 Machine Head - Bush
81 Black Or White - Michael Jackson
82 Sultans Of Swing - Dire Straits
83 Hey Joe - Jimi Hendrix
84 Whole Lotta Love - Led Zeppelin
85 10 Years Gone - Led Zeppelin
86 Wild Thing - The Troggs
87 Owner Of A Lonely Heart - Yes
88 Magic Carpet Ride - Steppenwolf
89 I Love Rock N ' Roll - Joan Jett & the Blackhearts
90 Brown Sugar - Rolling Stones
91 La Bamba - Los Lobos
92 China Grove - Doobie Brothers
93 You Really Got Me - Van Halen
94 Wipe Out - The Surfaris
95 House Of The Rising Sun - The Animals
96 Dust In The Wind - Kansas
97 Rhiannon - Fleetwood Mac
98 Susie Q - Creedence Clearwater Revival
99 Voodoo Child - Jimi Hendrix
100 Eruption - Van Halen

Sorry, but you can't re-post a video, dead or alive.

This post will have to be discarded, and the old post fixed with the working embed.

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^cybrbeast:
I've always seen this experiment as flawed. People assume the act of observation that causes the cat to either be dead or alive must be done by a human. But this is not the case I think, the Geiger counter is the observer and once it observes the decay or not, the cat will either die or not, irrespective of when the box is opened.

But the geiger counter is not an "observer" as the term is accepted. It is simply an inanimate object like the collection of atoms that forms the isotope.


What's the difference? As I read the article linked above, there is none. That's why "observer" is such a dumb term. It implies intelligence or sentience or even humanity, when interaction with any macro scale matter is just as good.

And I agree the video sucks. They never get at the fundamental issue of why the cat doesn't actually exist in superposition.

>> ^cybrbeast:
I've always seen this experiment as flawed. People assume the act of observation that causes the cat to either be dead or alive must be done by a human. But this is not the case I think, the Geiger counter is the observer and once it observes the decay or not, the cat will either die or not, irrespective of when the box is opened.


But the geiger counter is not an "observer" as the term is accepted. It is simply an inanimate object like the collection of atoms that forms the isotope.

The geiger counter acts in a certain way when a certain set of conditions presents itself. When a radioactive particle/burst of energy travels through the gas inside the counter, the gas conducts electricity, the electricity stimulates an output such as clicks. Doesn't have to be clicks either, it could be a guage. Regardless, it is not something that observes. You may as well say that the isotyope itself is an observer because the reaction of the parts in the geiger counter is an extension of what occurs in the isotope.

Schrodingers cat is a great way of simplifying the idea of quantum mechanics, but you still need a basis of what the thought experiment is trying to convey. The cat is just a way of linking quantum mechanics to the real world, it's not particularly important. You can just put the isotope in a box, do away with the cat, hammer and geiger counter and say "we cannot know whether it has decayed or not."

That's the point - we do not know what's happening in the box, because we can't measure it. And until we can measure it, in a quantum mechanical sense, all (or both) states are true.

This is actually a fairly poor explanation, IMO, as they barely touch on what is so very ridiculous about quantum mechanics that makes the simultaneously dead and alive cat rather plausible.

I don't claim to be an expert on the subject, but as I understand it, quantum mechanics is all about statistics and probablity. I have always thought of this experiment as an illustration of the idea that when you can't probe a quantum object to determine what state it's in, but there exists the probability that it is in one particular state or another, then the object can be thought of as being in both states simultaneously until such time as you can probe it, at which point you can know the state of the object in question and hence it is no longer in both states at the same time.

By my understanding you can therefore extend this further, by considering the probability of the decay having occurred and actually hit the detector at any given point in time. You could then say things such as: "At time A the cat is 5% dead 95% alive, while at time B it is 99% dead and only 1% alive" etc.

In saying that, I don't think I'm breaking the experiment, because no matter how much time passes you can never be sure whether it is dead or alive (short of life expectancy constraints) so it is still in both states. What the numbers actually tell you is, if you ran the experiment many times opening it at various points, what the ratio dead vs live cats would be after each given time interval.

I've always seen this experiment as flawed. People assume the act of observation that causes the cat to either be dead or alive must be done by a human. But this is not the case I think, the Geiger counter is the observer and once it observes the decay or not, the cat will either die or not, irrespective of when the box is opened.

>> ^shuac:
Couldn't Obama have picked a more effective Press Secretary? Uhh, uhh, uhh.
I mean, come on.


Uhh .. I'd rather someone take their time and try to choose their words carefully rather than just run off at the mouth with a come get some wanted dead or alive us or them with us or against us knee jerk reaction. uhhm

Damn!! Dead and alive only en memorium.

I am indeed "just quibbling" over when a fetus becomes a person. A fetus under a certain stage of development is not a person. This is why an abortion is "preferable" to outright murder of the baby after it is born.

I fully agree that an 8 month abortion is generally a bad thing, and such a thing should not be done just because the mother wants it. But if there are justifiable reasons to do it, such as the mother would die, or the baby is malformed etc. then I have no problem with it being done. I really don't want to be a part of it myself, but I think that people should have the option available to them. Usually these things ought to be figured out early in the pregnancy, which would make this entire case moot, but some times it's not.


>> ^nadabu:
>> ^gwiz665:
Late term abortions are not doe frivolously, only if there are big health risks involved to the mother. And the argument from "being able to live" is not a strong one - we can keep brain dead people alive indefinitely, but they still have to be kept alive - same thing with babies, they cannot in any shape or form take care of themselves. I would rather a baby/fetus was aborted at 3 months, than dumped in an alley to freeze to death, for instance. If people has made the choice, they should be able to exercise that choice easily, quickly and safely.
There's not a choice to get an abortion in the last period - if a mother says "i want an abortion" in the eigth month, she won't get it. In those cases there has to be serious reasons.

You compare "being able to live" babies with "brain dead people". Did you miss my comments about brain function? Brain dead people are arguably dead. 5 month preemies are not arguably dead unless care is withheld. Don't confuse yourself.
And no, i'd rather the baby be born and left in the alley where there's a chance that it will be found (however slight) and a chance the mother will be jailed and kept from further reproduction. Do you really think the risk of terrible death is justification for killing a person? Or are you just quibbling over the development stage at which a fetus becomes a person? If the latter, stick to that. Again, don't confuse yourself; you're certainly not gonna confuse me with illogic like that.
And yeah, those "serious reasons" you talk about are the exceptions i spoke about. Did you miss that whole "exceptions" vs "general rule" part? It's kind of important. Oh, and there is still a choice even in such dire situations. No one is going to force a mother who might die without an abortion to get the abortion. Some moms would risk it. Trust me, i know some who would. Personally, if i were a woman in that situation, i think i'd risk it. But that'd be my personal philosphy and choice to risk my life for my kid. We'd be cruel and stupid to punish mothers who chose to save their own life in that situation. Of course, the reality is that such situations are exceedingly rare given modern medicine. A C-section is usually a totally viable option to get the kid out with a chance and save the mom as well. Such rarities need latitude in the law, but are really not worth the time arguing about.

>> ^gwiz665:
Late term abortions are not doe frivolously, only if there are big health risks involved to the mother. And the argument from "being able to live" is not a strong one - we can keep brain dead people alive indefinitely, but they still have to be kept alive - same thing with babies, they cannot in any shape or form take care of themselves. I would rather a baby/fetus was aborted at 3 months, than dumped in an alley to freeze to death, for instance. If people has made the choice, they should be able to exercise that choice easily, quickly and safely.
There's not a choice to get an abortion in the last period - if a mother says "i want an abortion" in the eigth month, she won't get it. In those cases there has to be serious reasons.


You compare "being able to live" babies with "brain dead people". Did you miss my comments about brain function? Brain dead people are arguably dead. 5 month preemies are not arguably dead unless care is withheld. Don't confuse yourself.

And no, i'd rather the baby be born and left in the alley where there's a chance that it will be found (however slight) and a chance the mother will be jailed and kept from further reproduction. Do you really think the risk of terrible death is justification for killing a person? Or are you just quibbling over the development stage at which a fetus becomes a person? If the latter, stick to that. Again, don't confuse yourself; you're certainly not gonna confuse me with illogic like that.

And yeah, those "serious reasons" you talk about are the exceptions i spoke about. Did you miss that whole "exceptions" vs "general rule" part? It's kind of important. Oh, and there is still a choice even in such dire situations. No one is going to force a mother who might die without an abortion to get the abortion. Some moms would risk it. Trust me, i know some who would. Personally, if i were a woman in that situation, i think i'd risk it. But that'd be my *personal* philosphy and choice to risk my life for my kid. We'd be cruel and stupid to punish mothers who chose to save their own life in that situation. Of course, the reality is that such situations are *exceedingly* rare given modern medicine. A C-section is usually a totally viable option to get the kid out with a chance and save the mom as well. Such rarities need latitude in the law, but are really not worth the time arguing about.

Late term abortions are not doe frivolously, only if there are big health risks involved to the mother. And the argument from "being able to live" is not a strong one - we can keep brain dead people alive indefinitely, but they still have to be kept alive - same thing with babies, they cannot in any shape or form take care of themselves. I would rather a baby/fetus was aborted at 3 months, than dumped in an alley to freeze to death, for instance. If people has made the choice, they should be able to exercise that choice easily, quickly and safely.

There's not a choice to get an abortion in the last period - if a mother says "i want an abortion" in the eigth month, she won't get it. In those cases there has to be serious reasons.

>> ^nadabu:
I'm with Xax. Pro-life personally and politically, and quite consistent about it. If we outlaw one murder, we should outlaw them all: abortion, the regular kind, the death penalty, suicide and absolute lunacies like pre-emptive war. Violence against humans (and imho, the higher animals) is only permissible in sports with safety measures taken and in reactive, clear and restrained self-defense, both personally and militarily.
That's only the general rule, of course. There MUST be room for exceptions, which either void conviction or provide ample latitude for judges when deciding punishments. The typical "mother at risk of dying" example is the clearest exception. Likewise, i currently think it unwise to outlaw abortions performed prior to 8 weeks, as the studies showing brain functions prior to that are not thorough. Similar exceptions should be made for withholding care to persons already born, but lacking brain function. And so on...
But the general rule of "thou shalt not kill" seems like damn good public policy to me. It's hard to see how abortion is justifiable, especially after 5 mos, when many babies can live outside the mother with the amazing preemie care possible these days. How long do you need to make your choice? Even in rape, where there was no choice about birth control, you still have around 2 mos before brain function is detectable (thus far). I'm ok with choice. But i think it is totally irrational and willfully ignorant to advocate giving 9 months for that decision. Maybe that made some sort of sense in the 60s or 70s, when most people had never seen an ultrasound or heard of things EEG, but that's just stupid nowadays. Get out of the dark ages. Don't kill people.

Broken laws or not, clothes or no clothes, penis or no penis, initial attempts at reasoning or not, this action by the police was clearly excessive violence. Once tasered, the man was obviously subdued enough to handcuff and arrest. Personally, I believe he could have been cuffed by these three very large men without unnecessary tasering. The knee to the spleen and excessive tasering afterward was nothing short of attempted murder. This will not go unpunished. The cop in the hat can kiss his career goodbye and look forward to some very serious charges that will likely see him serving time. This guy will be a wealthy man once the lawyers are done with this. None of these "peace officers" can be allowed to continue on the force.

P.S. Oh, and let this be a lesson to us all, once they put on the gloves, you're goin downtown dead or alive.

Most fresh water turtles will eat anything and I mean ANYTHING, dead or alive. They're opportunistic scavengers through and through and some can survive for half a year without eating at all. If a consistent food source is available they will gorge themselves. And hey, I say pigeon beats pond algae any day of the week. I don't know where this image of a cute & friendly aquatic vegetarian comes from but it needs to be dispelled now, FOR THE SAKE OF THE CHILDREN.