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Those look like frakking Cylon raiders to me.

(Did I mention I watched season 4 in a span of about a week?)

The only thing I was mad about as far as loose ends would be Kara being the "harbinger of death." Technically, she did lead the human race to its doom, since now they'll mate with cylons and Earth natives, thereby mixing the gene pool and killing off the human species as they knew it.

But what I was really pissed about wasn't so much the climax, it was the denouement-

1). Really? Chief wants to live on an island all alone for the rest of his life? Doesn't he realize in three years he'll go completely insane and start talking to a volleyball?

2). What? Adama, too? Just cuz his chick died, he doesn't ever wanna see his son or friends again?

3). Everybody is tired of technology?? Call me insane, but I like my central air and medicine! I like comfortable living! I like knowing that the average human won't die off at age 40! All this progress they've made, ruined. Not even 150k years later have we even come close to what they had.

Starbuck is an angel. She has been, perceivably, since the very beginning of the show. We cant really know for sure, wether it was real kara up to the eye of juptier, and then an angel, or if it was angel kara all along. Most theories ive read, see Kara as being the one true angel since day dot.

Hera was the best DNA of the last of the colonial technological genus. She represented everything that was good in both the colonials, and the skin-job's (who were ultimately a re-creation of the final 5's race of cylons).

Her role in the film was to impart these beneficial traits onto the rest of humanity on earth, in the hopes that they can break the cycle of humans and non-humans going to war with one another every few thousand years. Instead of just telling humanity to stop building machines of war, without regard to safeguards, and hoping for the best....change humanity, attack the root of the problem. Thus, Hera.

Angels don't always have to be pure and good

The other skinjobs didn't get resurrection, as Tyrol killed Tory, which prevented Anders from unifying the 5 minds of the final 5 to regain the knowledge of resurrection. Presumably a large chunk of the skin jobs died in the last moments of the colony fight (the Cavil's side certainly was wiped out, as his entire fleet was parked at the colony, and the nuclear missiles from the dead raptor pushed its orbit into the event horizon shortly after galactica jumped to earth.)

All along the watchtower wasn't anything meaningful other than as a method for starbuck to plot the correct jump cords. That it was a well known song has no bearing on the storyline at all, just a cool song.

Well, Homo Sapiens should evolve on any planet that's very similar to earth, so its not that much of a shock.

Starbucks rotting viper/corpse may of been an event to trigger her into finding the way back to earth...the REAL earth, and not the final-five's home planet. Either way, the last Starbuck we all saw, post-juptier, was an angel.

One step closer to the sexy Cylons I hope.

I read this on EW.com, and it does a good job of explaining why I disliked Kara's exit so vehemently:

"For all of its religious overtones and prophetical trappings, Battlestar Galactica has been a show rooted in the real. It was defined by a very real holocaust and the harsh realities of a world lost, of shattered hope, that gave the show its shape. For characters to die, and come back from the dead, and vanish into thin air...feels like a betrayal of that fundamental premise. Is she an angel, as Baltar would claim? A collective figment of everyone's imagination? I know that Ron Moore has said that Kara is whatever we want her to be. I want her to make sense. (And who, exactly, was Kara the Harbinger of Death for? The Cylons? Not for the humans, clearly.)"

Ultimately... I think the writers just wrote themselves into multiple corners, plain and simple. It's a pretty big fuck-up when you take such an amazing television series and just write stuff because it seems cool, without any plan or vision as to where it will lead, or how you're going to tie it up and explain it.

Kara being an angel? Bullshit. They painted themselves into a corner after they decided to "resurrect" her (or perhaps when they had her drawing the Eye of Jupiter throughout her childhood). Even so, couldn't they have done better? I saw someone suggest the idea that the resurrected Kara could actually be a clone, created from Kara's ovaries (from when Kara was in the Cylon hospital on Caprica). I don't like that idea just for the fact that it wouldn't truly be Kara, but it strikes me as a more interesting, more reasonable explanation. But perhaps it would've been best to not kill her in the first place.

Head Six and Baltar being angels? They painted themselves into that corner way back in season 1, when Shelly Godfrey showed up. I remember thinking, after watching that episode, "there's no way they're going to be able to adequately explain this." No surprise: I was right.

Kara being the harbinger of death? They'd been repeating that over and over again, but I didn't see it. Same with Hera being essential to the story. I didn't see either of those things. I've heard it theorized that the vast majority of the colonists would've died on Earth 2, and in that sense, Kara was a harbinger of death. And perhaps Hera being a hybrid made her and her descendants strong enough to survive in those conditions. Which I might actually accept, except that I didn't see any hints of either of those in the finale.

Those are the main ones, I guess. I'm sure I'll think of more.

I don't think it would have mattered how they ended it, no one would have aproved. It's the same as the first series, the story just becomes too big with too many posibilities. Everyone has their own idea of where it should have gone.

At least this time they didn't have them finding earth and having to keep it a secret from the cylons - they just didn't know how to end that one either.

I think the best ending was to skip the ending and flash forward leaving us to all create our own stories as to what happened inbetween.

I wanted more.. I have to admit, I don't remember all the details from the whole series. And lots of the time I watched, I was very tired and a bit drunk, so I might have forgotten a lot.

Though wyhen I heard that there was going to be a Galactica remake, and Starbuck would be famela, I was not happy. I had a majot crush on Starbuck when I watched the original series, and a female Starbuck, wtf??

But I nreally grew fond of Kara! I love Aeryn Sun in Farscape, and Kara was like her.. kick-ass hero, who was soft inside. I really would have wanted to know more about her.

I really did not care much about Baltar.. He was way to weird and cryptic and crazy the whole series long. This Adama was way more human.,, and in the end, I wish he could have lived happily ever after with Roslin..

Oh, and what is the life span of a cylon like Tigh? Obviosly he eventually dies without resurrection. And what about Heras?

And what do Cylon Centurions do for fun anyway? Cruise the galaxy and.. ?

Like I said, I probably have forgotten more than I remember right now. I just wanted to know aboiot Starbuck!

I hope 'Lost' gets some better closure and explanation.

Kara (after she died), Head Baltar, and Head Six were all angels, doing the will of the superior being (not necessarily god).

Head six at some stages in the series actually caused physical harm to real baltar, not limited to lifting him off the ground in some cases. Her ability to manipulate him, even physically like that, is just the same as Angel-Starbuck, only kara was visible to everyone, and was oblivious to her nature until the very end.

Daniel was just a story plot used to fill in the missing cylon model number, and plays no role in the entire series other than that.

Hera is the mitochondrial eve. Her mixed blood gives the best of the cylons and the humans of the colonies, to man kind on new-earth.

The cylons of Earth 1.0 were the cylons that the original humans before them created. There has been a cycle of man evolving, man creating technology, man mastering technology, technology rebelling against man, and both of them wiping each other out. These cylons were no different.

I too was disappointed with the ending, but theres no real mystery after its all over, just....really lazy writing.

^ I'm on the same wavelength as you. I could spend a couple pages flaying it to pieces, but I've enjoyed the show so much, I'll forgive the total deus ex machina ending that didn't answer hardly any questions.

Two nits I do want to pick. First is the issue of Greek mythology and Zodiac. Did the greeks find the Scrolls of Pithia, some 147,000 years after the Colonials landed? If not, why did they end up with their own version of the exact same frakkin pantheon as the Colonials, long, long, long, long after they must have died out?

Second, is agriculture. As much as the colonials seemed to want to give up technology, they all seemed to be talking about building subsistence farms and shacks. 150,000 years ago, that was a technological revolution larger than the printing press in terms of how it shaped human society. No, it's not the same as laying down a futuristic city in Tanzania 150,000 years ago, but our contemporary society would be some 140,000 years more advanced than it is today.

However, I think they're doing a similar thing to what Babylon 5 did when it ended -- wrapping up character plot, and giving us new major revelations that raise more questions than they answered. They both think they have a new series to slowly work out the rest of their plots (Crusade for B5, Caprica for BSG).

Based on the trailer for Caprica, it looks like the theme of God & Resurrection will be front and center, and since the elevator pitch for that series is that it's also about the genesis of the 50-years-ago branch of cylons, it has an opportunity to answer questions about the final 5, and why they kept saying "this has all happened before..."

All in all it was a good ending on the character front, though I was deeply saddened by their choice to have Roselyn die, and Starbuck vanish. I think they deserved happier endings.

BTW.. I thought the "white ship" couldn't be a more dead giveaway to Starbuck being time traveled/ messed with. I posted some bits of 1980 for reference. I think there is a lot of parallels to Galactica 1980 last episode (test of humanity, disappearing people when they are ready to go, make friends with Cylon, etc.). It used to be on Hulu, but seems to now be missing. (Also, the episode was called "The Return of Starbuck")

http://www.videosift.com/video/Galactica-1980-was-the-best-show-ever

1) WTF Starbuck was when she returned.

I think this was attempt to be faithful to original series and the Crystal Ship. I think she is either related to "God" ala Baltar/Six Angels and/or like the Crystal Six person that appears to Starbuck in that one episode with the pregnant woman/test and the Scilon that he becomes a buddy with.

2) Why was Starbuck repeatedly called the harbinger of death if she actually sent everyone to this lush green planet to repopulate humanity?

This is a much passed around mistake. I think she was only called harbinger of apocalypse. Which does not mean death, but change / rebirth.

3) Was Starbuck's father really Daniel, the last Cylon "child" created by the final five? If so, was her mother human? How did they successfully breed?

Ron Moore was clear about this in some podcast (or so I've read). Daniel was just that, killed by jealous super evil Cavil. Starbuck was not cylon ever. Also the dead/reborn Starbuck could have seen her father/piano man just like the Baltar/Six visages.

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The only minorly interesting thing about the cop-out ending with "Eve" and crap is that Cylon DNA is literally built into the human nature and could explain how similar humans end up making the same Cylons eventually. It's like secret code waiting to be expressed. Of course the whole concept of Centurions makes zero sense then. I still don't understand why they were cludged into this TV show once skinjobs introduced.

Major plot flaw is that Cavils etc. know they have all the time in the world. Even if they felt tricked or double crossed they would not blow up ship containing Hera. That would be suicide for their race. Plus they downloaded half of the "stream" isn't that a good start? It's still not clear why the people who invented Resurrection could never recreate it. Did it really take all five of them? Also, how did they ever build the one Resurrection ship then? Could they never repair it or study it? What if it got hit by a random gamma burst or something.

I still can't understand.. How did Saul grow old? How did Cavil wipe memories and insert them five like 50 years prior to nuking planet. They clearly could make more clones of themselves even if there is no resurrection, can't they just go clone crazy and share their thoughts anyways??

Also, what would never happen is sending fleet into sun. Also, no scilons would choose to live on Earth, especially if they all have to split up. And I guarantee one captain would keep crazy weapons stash and technology to be supreme ruler of the new Earth. Besides most of these small groups of people would be killed by tribals in no time. I just can't see giving up all your medicine and stuff like that. It's lame throwback to M. Night movie.

I was disappointed. So many noob moves in the end.

The starbuck "resolution" just pissed me off and is just a poor out.

The religious tones that it ended with was bad.

Many things were very nice, but it seemed everyone acted out of character in the end and conveniently knew/did what they were supposed to. I did not like the resolution of Cavil and the rest of the evil cylons either. The way that the bombs were "accidentally" launched.

I'm left with a strong feeling of uuuggghh.

Fuck I hope Lost ends better than this.

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out that "harbinger of death" thing too. Perhaps if the circle of violence was broken like they claim they had done, then Kara's destiny changed along with everyone elses'

OR

If the mitochondrial "Eve" was Hera, then we are Cylon/Human hybrids, and Kara did take the Human race to the place of their death. The race that won out were the decendants from the hybrid race from Hera?

Can't say as I did. Isn't it so good?


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Frakking brilliant. Did you create that mp3 yourself?

Thanks for sharing. I think I'm going to use that myself...

In reply to this comment by calvados:
I just turned the first bars of it into my mobile ringtone

http://skydexter.free.fr/cylon.mp3