False Creek is in Vancouver *Canada

>> ^quantumushroom:

There is no need for incivility. It's fair to call a national figure a dumbass--being in the spotlight invites criticism--but not other sifters. kofi is not out of line. If your facts hold water you don't need the insults.

>> ^BansheeX:
>> ^longde:
Ron Paul is a filthy fucking statist. Below are some of his relevant 2009 budget requests (still looking for his 2010 and 2011 earmark requests):

Subcommittee on Homeland Security:
• $8.8 million for FEMA for drainage at Cove Harbor in Aransas County
• $2.2 million for FEMA to reconfigure and stabilize Capano Causeway Pier
• $500,000 for FEMA for Aransas County drainage master plan
• $35 million for FEMA for drainage in Friendswood
• $10 million for FEMA for drainage project for Friendswood/Clear Creek
• $10 million for FEMA for drainage project for Friendswood/Clear Creek
• $5 million for FEMA to recycle household hazardous waste in Friendswood

You're a dumbass. RP has always voted against the appropriation. Earmarks are 1% of the budget...



WHAT?! Since when can't I call other sifters Dumbasses? Fuck them...everyone on here is a bastard and I hate them...AHHHH FUCK!

There is no need for incivility. It's fair to call a national figure a dumbass--being in the spotlight invites criticism--but not other sifters. kofi is not out of line. If your facts hold water you don't need the insults.


>> ^BansheeX:

>> ^longde:
Ron Paul is a filthy fucking statist. Below are some of his relevant 2009 budget requests (still looking for his 2010 and 2011 earmark requests):

Subcommittee on Homeland Security:
• $8.8 million for FEMA for drainage at Cove Harbor in Aransas County
• $2.2 million for FEMA to reconfigure and stabilize Capano Causeway Pier
• $500,000 for FEMA for Aransas County drainage master plan
• $35 million for FEMA for drainage in Friendswood
• $10 million for FEMA for drainage project for Friendswood/Clear Creek
• $10 million for FEMA for drainage project for Friendswood/Clear Creek
• $5 million for FEMA to recycle household hazardous waste in Friendswood

You're a dumbass. RP has always voted against the appropriation. Earmarks are 1% of the budget...

>> ^longde:

Ron Paul is a filthy fucking statist. Below are some of his relevant 2009 budget requests (still looking for his 2010 and 2011 earmark requests):

Subcommittee on Homeland Security:
• $8.8 million for FEMA for drainage at Cove Harbor in Aransas County
• $2.2 million for FEMA to reconfigure and stabilize Capano Causeway Pier
• $500,000 for FEMA for Aransas County drainage master plan
• $35 million for FEMA for drainage in Friendswood
• $10 million for FEMA for drainage project for Friendswood/Clear Creek
• $10 million for FEMA for drainage project for Friendswood/Clear Creek
• $5 million for FEMA to recycle household hazardous waste in Friendswood


You're a dumbass. RP has always voted against the appropriation. Earmarks are 1% of the budget, that any funds get back to his district after they're taken means it doesn't go to the general fund to be spent on some bullshit embassy or something. It's like taking a tax credit despite being against the income tax: it's not hypocritical, it's salvaging what you can should you fail to stop appropriation. Oh, and earmarks actually tell you what the spending is for, whereas the Fed issues trillions in new money and doesn't have to tell you where it went. Maybe you should hang around smarter message boards so you don't fall for every half-brained argument you see.

Ron Paul is a filthy fucking statist. Below are some of his relevant 2009 budget requests (still looking for his 2010 and 2011 earmark requests):


Subcommittee on Homeland Security:

• $8.8 million for FEMA for drainage at Cove Harbor in Aransas County

• $2.2 million for FEMA to reconfigure and stabilize Capano Causeway Pier

• $500,000 for FEMA for Aransas County drainage master plan

• $35 million for FEMA for drainage in Friendswood

• $10 million for FEMA for drainage project for Friendswood/Clear Creek

• $10 million for FEMA for drainage project for Friendswood/Clear Creek

• $5 million for FEMA to recycle household hazardous waste in Friendswood

>> ^NicoleBee:

I heard a version of this sort of joke a long time ago involving a conversation between a missionary and an Innu.


Yeah the joke actually dates back to 1974. From "Pilgrim at Tinker Creek" by Anne Dillard.

The quote:
Somewhere, and I can't find where, I read about an Eskimo hunter who asked the local missionary preist, "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?" "No," said the preist, "not if you did not know." "Then why," asked the Eskimo earnestly, "did you tell me?"

The music is the same as the theme song from the Jonathan Creek TV series, which wikipedia informs me is Camille Saint-Saëns' Danse Macabre.

You can hear the Jonathan Creek theme here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q6FXOdDSP8&feature=related

Honestly, that's just kinda sorta what happens some times, I mean, you can try to go and do some kind of thing to some kind of person, but in the end, it really just doesn't matter, because at the end of the day, it, in and of itself, is precisely the kind of thing you want to happen, well among other things anyway, assuming it's the real deal, which it most certainly is not, is it?>> ^BoneRemake:

I thought I was being funny. I already talked to gwiz about what he meant via the Chat feature. We did not get into it to far, but I honestly think I am right in the matter. internet is not akin to water, you dont need it to live, it is not a right by any means, it is a service provided for a person, the same way processed water is provided to homes, water by nature is a human right if you go to a creek and drink from it, not if it is processed and cleaned piped and metered. See I am lazy, I can go on and on on what I think of the subject, but I just dont care to keep going, my fingers get tired. so instead I wrote what you quoted.
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How so?>> ^BoneRemake:
Oh, I thought I wrote agree.

Strange, I'll have to look at the local properties -- it sounds like you guys flood the same way our areas flood here, specifically. Last major flood in Salt Lake City was in 82'-83' after monsoon rains and a heavy winter melt (this is 15-35 minute drive, but on one of two major highways going downtown.

That "flood" (City Creek flood) was something to behold as the community was driven into overdrive and created a man-made river going down Salt Lake Valley's state street (if you run google earth state street goes right into the middle of downtown, with LOTS of businesses. The flood river was pretty long from memory, like 6-10 miles. They built man-made river and then built bridges every block to get across (that is community power!). I remember standing on a bridge, amazed that humans could triumph over nature that well, sometimes.

The flood was bigger than what it says as there was flooding down all major canyon rivers and creeks (everything I-15, which goes into L.A., & east needed to be worried -- again google earth will show you the roads, rivers and creeks --, same with the Jordan River and next to the Great Salt Lake (which had been flooding over and over again for years -- they made a giant drain at one end of the lake and created an evaporation pond to dump excess into. No more floods for the lakes anymore and many flood rivers and creeks areas are cut-off and gone now (put underground).

Good luck to you guys. Hopefully, it lets up.

edit-Damn I was looking and some of the setups are the same except you get tropical (we almost never get tropical monsoons unless a hurricane hits off of California and moves in; otherwise, we get little garbage thunderstorms that cause "local" problems). No cyclones/hurricanes to ever worry about as the mountains would rip a tropical depression to shreds. Snowpack is our "cyclone".

>> ^dag:

The last massive flood in the Brisbane area was in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_Brisbane_flood">1974. This is the monsoon season- but most years it just means thunderstorms.
Still raining heavily this morning. Animals are pairing up.

>> ^mxxcon:

offtopic but that reporter has some tight pants on


some tight SEXY pants on. hell why not call those leotards, they defy pants.

*cough* *cough* http://videosift.com/video/Green-creek-water-explained-Salmon-at-possible-risk

hindsight I should of did them both, but didnt think it pertinent. hahahahahahah

Hindsight ye are a bitch.

The stage is set for "Battle at Kruger creek: pool version", the one where everyone assumes the young bison runs away and actually survives from the bite marks of the inflatable croc.

We have a creek nearby. Two years ago the nearby plant that makes Listerene had an accident and the creek tasted minty fresh for at least a month. Last year a diesel fuel truck overturned and the creek smelled like diesel for 3 weeks. Hence my fondness for bottled water.

"The comforts and safety that you describe, are exactly the kinds of suburban trapping that give us the illusion that ours is the ideal life. Take away electricity, transport, water service and supermarket food supply and like the majority of suburban dwelling people on this planet, we're up the creek. That's not freedom-it's a thinly veiled dependence on a system that is in the throws of downfall. }

Naturally (no pun intended), I disagree with you on this assessment. A civilized society is far more resilient and able to recover from all types of disasters (man-made and natural) than a nomadic civilization has ever been at any time in history. Do you have any idea of the kind of destructive effort it would take to completely wipe out the power grid, uproot every road that has been paved, root out the entire plumbing network buried underground? The only point that I agree with you on is the far larger dependence upon food that massive (and they are truly massive compared to hunter-gatherers) civilizations have. But as I pointed out in my first post food is now a global industry, so again you are limited to world ending catastrophes when it comes finding enough firepower to bring down modern civilizations.

"As far as freedom to move goes, I think the fact that if you step outside your door and walk into your neighbor's yard without permission, you're considered trespassing, shows how hemmed-in we really are. So long as we are paid customers, we have a right to be somewhere, otherwise we'd better stick to public places, or face the consequences."

Personally, I think that literal direction freedom is a paltry definition of what true freedom really is. I will gladly take the paved road and all those "restrictions" for all the benefits that I get from having that taken space actively and productively contributing to the advancement and well-being of humanity. I will drive around a massive hospital that's blocking me from going "as the crow flies" quicker than a crow can fly.

Every inch of space that is denied to me is in some way indirectly or directly contributing. Can you say that a plain of scrubs and rocks is providing the same amount of benefits to nomads as they walk in whatever direction they want over it? What about cumulatively?

"If you want to know how free you really are, try doing something really outrageous or subversive and see how many people are ready to block you. Try walking 10,000 km across your country, camping out where there's a drinkable water supply, for starters..."

Let me ask you a question then, why did you walk 10,000km in any direction? What was your goal? Did you need food, water, because you could? What tangible benefit have you derived from the endeavor you just undertook?

If you are so "truly" free why can't you walk to the Moon?