>> ^bcglorf: It seems silly, the link is to the page you are reading now!
Here's the quotes for the benefit of others so there's no risk of anyone falling for your foolishness.
1. I claimed You dismiss everything from CNN, BBC and citizen journalism all as pro American fabrications.
You've said the following to support this claim:
Unbiased? So no mainstream news media then? Which covers the CNN and BBC claim.
Of course they're blaming Assad, that's what foreign-funded activists are paid to say. Which covers the citizen journalism side.
2.I claimed You dismiss everything from Al Jazeera as American funded propaganda.
You've said the following to support this claim:
Al Jazeera is state owned by Qatar, the same government sending weapons to Libya's Benghazi rebels (al-Qeada) Seems that Al Jazeera is sinful by association with Qatar, which is supporting the Benghazi rebels like a good American puppet. For those new to this, the Al Qaeda claim is not only taking Gadhafi at his word, it is also stated in the belief that America or it's evil puppet masters support Al Qaeda, making Qatar's support of Al Qaeda proof it's all still part of the conspiracy.
Suffice it to say, you've soundly rejected Al Jazeera as biased against the Syrian public and part of some foreign sourced insurrection there.
3.My last claim was You ACCEPT everything from Bashir Al-Assad's regime's media outlets as truth.
You've said the following to support this claim:
Well to be fair, I'm pretty sure they kicked out all foreigners. Can't really blame them when Foreign Intelligence members are the main instigators of the rebellions.
And the best gem of them all:
The truth is we don't know who is killing the civilians.
All you seem to know is that Assad is the one making sure everyone is silenced and that no information gets out. How convenient you can then throw up your hands and say we just don't know who is killing who.
The truth is survivors and defectors that escape are all telling the same story, Assad's men are killing unarmed civilians and are shooting any soldiers refusing to fire on the unarmed civilians as well.




I didn't dismiss anything. Earlier in the thread, I made a dig at mainstream media in general when ali wanted an "unbiased" source. I've posted links from Reuters, Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, so you're not making any fucking sense.
And as far as "Assad's regime's media outlets", I have no idea what you're talking about.

In wars and armed conflicts you never know all the facts. You shouldn't accept any report from any news source at face value unless you can corroborate it with other sources. Even then you're likely only getting part of the truth. Al Jazerra repeatably makes disclaimers in this video that they don't know the facts.

Given the circumstances and Assad's short history, I don't buy that he's ordering his army to open fire on civilians. Al Jazerra nearly always has a pro-Western spin and given the fact that Qatar is openly supporting NATO in Libya, they are clearly going to be biased when reporting on Syria. There's little credibility to anything they choose to broadcast on the subject.

There was a story about a month ago or so, where the Syrian army was ambushed in one city and something like 120 army servicemen killed. Did unarmed civilians do that? I also remember first hearing about civilians being killed by snipers that were part of Assad's "secret police". So I guess it could be Assad's men, but why would he use covert police AND the military? Doesn't make any sense. The more likely scenario is that foreign agents dressed as Assad's security force are opening fire on civilians. They're probably even doing it behind the backs of the activists they recruited and organized to protest.

But even if it is Assad that's gunning down civilians, it's not our fight. It's an internal conflict. Aiding one side or the other only brings about wider conflict with more fighting and more death.

Are these also Assad's forces shooting indiscriminately from inside this car?

>> ^marbles:

>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^marbles:
>> ^bcglorf:
Of course they're blaming Assad, that's what foreign-funded activists are paid to say.
BTW, Al Jazeera is state owned by Qatar
As I guessed, you consider even Al Jazeera to be a right wing funded anti-arab propaganda machine...
You are insane.
For the sane people, it's Al Jazeera interviewing Syrian refugees in Turkey and reporting that Al-Assad's forces are deliberately and systematically killing unarmed protesters. Your insistent denial of this and refusal to acknowledge it is beyond sick, it's actively harmful. It's people like you that are the paid tools and sycophants of the worst murderous dictators in the world today.

Instead of trying to characterize me into something you don't like and attacking me, try attacking my argument.

You dismiss everything from CNN, BBC and citizen journalism all as pro American fabrications. Fine.
You dismiss everything from Al Jazeera as American funded propaganda. Crazy, but if you like tinfoil hats that's your choice.
You ACCEPT everything from Bashir Al-Assad's regime's media outlets as truth...
The above is the characterization you've painted for yourself, and it's infinitely worse than anything I could try and project onto you.

Please provide a citation for any and all of your claims if you wish to be taken seriously.


It seems silly, the link is to the page you are reading now!

Here's the quotes for the benefit of others so there's no risk of anyone falling for your foolishness.

1. I claimed You dismiss everything from CNN, BBC and citizen journalism all as pro American fabrications.
You've said the following to support this claim:
Unbiased? So no mainstream news media then? Which covers the CNN and BBC claim.
Of course they're blaming Assad, that's what foreign-funded activists are paid to say. Which covers the citizen journalism side.

2.I claimed You dismiss everything from Al Jazeera as American funded propaganda.
You've said the following to support this claim:
Al Jazeera is state owned by Qatar, the same government sending weapons to Libya's Benghazi rebels (al-Qeada) Seems that Al Jazeera is sinful by association with Qatar, which is supporting the Benghazi rebels like a good American puppet. For those new to this, the Al Qaeda claim is not only taking Gadhafi at his word, it is also stated in the belief that America or it's evil puppet masters support Al Qaeda, making Qatar's support of Al Qaeda proof it's all still part of the conspiracy.
Suffice it to say, you've soundly rejected Al Jazeera as biased against the Syrian public and part of some foreign sourced insurrection there.

3.My last claim was You ACCEPT everything from Bashir Al-Assad's regime's media outlets as truth.
You've said the following to support this claim:
Well to be fair, I'm pretty sure they kicked out all foreigners. Can't really blame them when Foreign Intelligence members are the main instigators of the rebellions.

And the best gem of them all:
The truth is we don't know who is killing the civilians.

All you seem to know is that Assad is the one making sure everyone is silenced and that no information gets out. How convenient you can then throw up your hands and say we just don't know who is killing who.

The truth is survivors and defectors that escape are all telling the same story, Assad's men are killing unarmed civilians and are shooting any soldiers refusing to fire on the unarmed civilians as well.

>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^marbles:
>> ^bcglorf:
Of course they're blaming Assad, that's what foreign-funded activists are paid to say.
BTW, Al Jazeera is state owned by Qatar
As I guessed, you consider even Al Jazeera to be a right wing funded anti-arab propaganda machine...
You are insane.
For the sane people, it's Al Jazeera interviewing Syrian refugees in Turkey and reporting that Al-Assad's forces are deliberately and systematically killing unarmed protesters. Your insistent denial of this and refusal to acknowledge it is beyond sick, it's actively harmful. It's people like you that are the paid tools and sycophants of the worst murderous dictators in the world today.

Instead of trying to characterize me into something you don't like and attacking me, try attacking my argument.

You dismiss everything from CNN, BBC and citizen journalism all as pro American fabrications. Fine.
You dismiss everything from Al Jazeera as American funded propaganda. Crazy, but if you like tinfoil hats that's your choice.
You ACCEPT everything from Bashir Al-Assad's regime's media outlets as truth...
The above is the characterization you've painted for yourself, and it's infinitely worse than anything I could try and project onto you.


Please provide a citation for any and all of your claims if you wish to be taken seriously.

>> ^marbles:

>> ^bcglorf:
Of course they're blaming Assad, that's what foreign-funded activists are paid to say.
BTW, Al Jazeera is state owned by Qatar
As I guessed, you consider even Al Jazeera to be a right wing funded anti-arab propaganda machine...
You are insane.
For the sane people, it's Al Jazeera interviewing Syrian refugees in Turkey and reporting that Al-Assad's forces are deliberately and systematically killing unarmed protesters. Your insistent denial of this and refusal to acknowledge it is beyond sick, it's actively harmful. It's people like you that are the paid tools and sycophants of the worst murderous dictators in the world today.

Instead of trying to characterize me into something you don't like and attacking me, try attacking my argument.


You dismiss everything from CNN, BBC and citizen journalism all as pro American fabrications. Fine.
You dismiss everything from Al Jazeera as American funded propaganda. Crazy, but if you like tinfoil hats that's your choice.
You ACCEPT everything from Bashir Al-Assad's regime's media outlets as truth...

The above is the characterization you've painted for yourself, and it's infinitely worse than anything I could try and project onto you.

>> ^marbles:

>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^marbles:
>> ^theali:
Yep, this is why these oppressive regimes don't allow reporters to cover the events. Its easy to dismiss citizen journalism and question its authenticity. Both Iran and Syria kicked out all international reporters right before the crackdown.
Well to be fair, I'm pretty sure they kicked out all foreigners. Can't really blame them when Foreign Intelligence members are the main instigators of the rebellions.

Your statements are utterly disgusting Marbles. I don't care if you honestly believe the propaganda garbage being spewed by Bashir Al-Assad's government or not. The last time a revolution was tried in Syria, his father went to war with the Muslim brotherhood(not a gang the west is liable to use as a loving proxy) and the Syrian army turned nearly an entire town into a parking lot to demonstrate their 'point'.
Go listen to the accounts of the thousands of Syrian refugees in Turkey who fled the Military onslaught against civilians. Bashir Al-Assad's special forces executed nearly 120 army soldiers when the refused to fire on unarmed civilians.
It's is simply disgusting and inexcusable to defend the horrific onslaught against civilians that Syria is pursuing, even if you do loath America and deem it as the great Satan responsible for all the world's ills, in what world does that make it ok for Syria's army to go around killing unarmed civilians in massive numbers????????

I'm sorry you feel that way. I find it really disgusting you have to make me into something I'm not so you can attack me. I didn't say anything about killing unarmed civilians. The truth is we don't know who is killing the civilians. And for you to get so emotionally invested in it is foolish. BTW The Muslim brotherhood was started by British Intelligence. When you own both sides of the conflict, you always win.
I don't hate America, but I do hate the power elite that use the US government to be economic hit-men all around the world. Don't be fooled. That is exactly what is going on in North Africa/Middle East.


The truth is we don't know who is killing the civilians.

That IS disgusting. We do know who is killing them. The refugees that have succeeded in fleeing to Turkey are telling us it was Assad's troops killing them. The SAME Assad that kicked out all journalists that didn't work directly for him. Defectors who've fled to Turkey have similarly reported witnessing first hand that Assad's secret service executed Syrian soldiers that refused orders to fire upon unarmed civilians.

We KNOW who is killing who. Your refusal to acknowledge it is sick.

>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^marbles:
>> ^theali:
Yep, this is why these oppressive regimes don't allow reporters to cover the events. Its easy to dismiss citizen journalism and question its authenticity. Both Iran and Syria kicked out all international reporters right before the crackdown.
Well to be fair, I'm pretty sure they kicked out all foreigners. Can't really blame them when Foreign Intelligence members are the main instigators of the rebellions.

Your statements are utterly disgusting Marbles. I don't care if you honestly believe the propaganda garbage being spewed by Bashir Al-Assad's government or not. The last time a revolution was tried in Syria, his father went to war with the Muslim brotherhood(not a gang the west is liable to use as a loving proxy) and the Syrian army turned nearly an entire town into a parking lot to demonstrate their 'point'.
Go listen to the accounts of the thousands of Syrian refugees in Turkey who fled the Military onslaught against civilians. Bashir Al-Assad's special forces executed nearly 120 army soldiers when the refused to fire on unarmed civilians.
It's is simply disgusting and inexcusable to defend the horrific onslaught against civilians that Syria is pursuing, even if you do loath America and deem it as the great Satan responsible for all the world's ills, in what world does that make it ok for Syria's army to go around killing unarmed civilians in massive numbers????????


I'm sorry you feel that way. I find it really disgusting you have to make me into something I'm not so you can attack me. I didn't say anything about killing unarmed civilians. The truth is we don't know who is killing the civilians. And for you to get so emotionally invested in it is foolish. BTW The Muslim brotherhood was started by British Intelligence. When you own both sides of the conflict, you always win.
I don't hate America, but I do hate the power elite that use the US government to be economic hit-men all around the world. Don't be fooled. That is exactly what is going on in North Africa/Middle East.

>> ^marbles:

>> ^theali:
Yep, this is why these oppressive regimes don't allow reporters to cover the events. Its easy to dismiss citizen journalism and question its authenticity. Both Iran and Syria kicked out all international reporters right before the crackdown.
Well to be fair, I'm pretty sure they kicked out all foreigners. Can't really blame them when Foreign Intelligence members are the main instigators of the rebellions.


Your statements are utterly disgusting Marbles. I don't care if you honestly believe the propaganda garbage being spewed by Bashir Al-Assad's government or not. The last time a revolution was tried in Syria, his father went to war with the Muslim brotherhood(not a gang the west is liable to use as a loving proxy) and the Syrian army turned nearly an entire town into a parking lot to demonstrate their 'point'.

Go listen to the accounts of the thousands of Syrian refugees in Turkey who fled the Military onslaught against civilians. Bashir Al-Assad's special forces executed nearly 120 army soldiers when the refused to fire on unarmed civilians.

It's is simply disgusting and inexcusable to defend the horrific onslaught against civilians that Syria is pursuing, even if you do loath America and deem it as the great Satan responsible for all the world's ills, in what world does that make it ok for Syria's army to go around killing unarmed civilians in massive numbers????????

>> ^theali:

I was not aware of that, could you reference unbiased sources on this claim?
I saw similar accusations when the protests broke out in Iran, but people have real grievances and are disgruntled with lack of freedom and mismanagement of the country.
>> ^marbles:
>> ^theali:
Yep, this is why these oppressive regimes don't allow reporters to cover the events. Its easy to dismiss citizen journalism and question its authenticity. Both Iran and Syria kicked out all international reporters right before the crackdown.
Well to be fair, I'm pretty sure they kicked out all foreigners. Can't really blame them when Foreign Intelligence members are the main instigators of the rebellions.



Unbiased? So no mainstream news media then?

I'll see what I can find tomorrow. CIA or MI6 doesn't exactly issue press releases.

There was a failed color revolution in Iran in 2009. I believe there are Wikileaks cables confirming it and the operation in Syria.

I think there is a lot of grieved and disgruntled young Arab people who want freedom who are being manipulated and used by geopolitical forces outside their country.

I was not aware of that, could you reference unbiased sources on this claim?

I saw similar accusations when the protests broke out in Iran, but people have real grievances and are disgruntled with lack of freedom and mismanagement of the country.

>> ^marbles:

>> ^theali:
Yep, this is why these oppressive regimes don't allow reporters to cover the events. Its easy to dismiss citizen journalism and question its authenticity. Both Iran and Syria kicked out all international reporters right before the crackdown.
Well to be fair, I'm pretty sure they kicked out all foreigners. Can't really blame them when Foreign Intelligence members are the main instigators of the rebellions.

>> ^theali:

Yep, this is why these oppressive regimes don't allow reporters to cover the events. Its easy to dismiss citizen journalism and question its authenticity. Both Iran and Syria kicked out all international reporters right before the crackdown.

Well to be fair, I'm pretty sure they kicked out all foreigners. Can't really blame them when Foreign Intelligence members are the main instigators of the rebellions.

Yep, this is why these oppressive regimes don't allow reporters to cover the events. Its easy to dismiss citizen journalism and question its authenticity. Both Iran and Syria kicked out all international reporters right before the crackdown.

>> ^eric3579:

Maybe or maybe not.

>> ^FishBulb:
1) There was no news story.
2) There was no offensive language.


Uh, it's citizen journalism, with vernacular commentary getting the nsfw flag. NSFW isn't purely for what you consider offensive language - we set the bar pretty low for that tag.

OMFG I LOVE citizen journalism for its utter saturation. That was so freaking interesting seeing an interview with that particular confused ol'granny

[EDIT] I simply cannot abide by the commenters saying we should not be interested in this: She sent out 400 letters with disinformation! She is an enabler of a national deception! I dont think she should be personally punished by peeps pranking her or whatever. Shes obviously just clueless - but it is very important that people understand what goes on.

And her insight into McCain volunteers is equally as interesting.

Shes the horses mouth.

Meth is one of the many pitfalls of citizen journalism.