There are tons of McDonald's vandalized each year in the US during protests of many different sorts. See, here we have the Almighty Rollins going off on some of that "hipster" shit that he was talking about during his aggressive visit to the Cakeshop. He is a shitty hypocrite, he feels old, all the "cool" kids like proto-punk and not so much Black Flag so he feels uncool, old, irrelevant, "not-in-the-know", but also he might just fear his own death. Maybe now is the time for Rollins to roll up a doob and fucking relax, to feel ok with more types of people, or maybe quench that fear of death by smoking some DMT, haha!

On the other topic, of McDonalds: Sir Mr. Rollins sometimes I look at myself in the mirror and I say "You know what, FUCK YOU, I'm going to McDonalds." I mean it's the cruddiest food on the planet but I like it when I eat it and that doesn't mean it slows me down from thinking about whatever Mr. Rollins would think is intellectually relevant.

>> ^hayshaker:

I couldn't even watch the whole thing. I usually like Henry but he is a bit to full of himself here, not to mention combative and judgmental. I'll bet there are hours of old footage of Henry complaining about being judged and how the non-black flag non-punk musicians are idiots and out of touch.
to paraphrase; those who forget history are doomed to repeat it...


Same here. He pretty much comes out right from the start hating on the Hipster for being elitist. I can respect that, in fact, I share the feeling. Problem is it becomes increasingly clear that his objection is that he's convinced that he's the superior elitist himself, and how dare they usurp his rightful throne. Yuck.

I couldn't even watch the whole thing. I usually like Henry but he is a bit to full of himself here, not to mention combative and judgmental. I'll bet there are hours of old footage of Henry complaining about being judged and how the non-black flag non-punk musicians are idiots and out of touch.

to paraphrase; those who forget history are doomed to repeat it...

Grade A douche, top of the line..."it's a title of a very famous book I wrote, it won a grammy..it's just like a book that a lot of musicians have seen." who's the rich elitist? ohh the hypocrisy. But anyone should expect to look foolish when you generalize an entire group, it's not much different from the mindset that racists have. And with that an upvote because Black Flag, Minor threat, and bad brains were the best thing to happen to music.

I thought Siftie had blown a sprocket.

In reply to this comment by residue:
no, that message was meant for you... I meant it in reference to your avatar flag which is presumably a sign of your reverence for disqualification of those "over the line."

humorfail = residue

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
VideoSift sent you to my profile page instead of DFT's.

In reply to this comment by residue:
I am also in favor of disqualifying those who are over the line when there's less than one minute until the start. Hear hear!

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

A Black Flag Disqualification, which is when a black flag is raised at the start, anybody over the line when there is less than one minute until the start is disqualified.

no, that message was meant for you... I meant it in reference to your avatar flag which is presumably a sign of your reverence for disqualification of those "over the line."

humorfail = residue

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
VideoSift sent you to my profile page instead of DFT's.

In reply to this comment by residue:
I am also in favor of disqualifying those who are over the line when there's less than one minute until the start. Hear hear!

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

A Black Flag Disqualification, which is when a black flag is raised at the start, anybody over the line when there is less than one minute until the start is disqualified.

VideoSift sent you to my profile page instead of DFT's.

In reply to this comment by residue:
I am also in favor of disqualifying those who are over the line when there's less than one minute until the start. Hear hear!

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

A Black Flag Disqualification, which is when a black flag is raised at the start, anybody over the line when there is less than one minute until the start is disqualified.

I am also in favor of disqualifying those who are over the line when there's less than one minute until the start. Hear hear!

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

A Black Flag Disqualification, which is when a black flag is raised at the start, anybody over the line when there is less than one minute until the start is disqualified.

You are so hung up on fitting yourself (and others) into strict isms. It's OK to take a little from here and there. Not only is it OK, but it is individualist. You are more complex than any ism. 2 cents.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
I've got a bit of cognitive dissonance to deal with at the moment because I can't say I'm one thing or another. I still believe in a limited Minarchist government, even though it's immoral. Oh the inner political demons! I do lean heavily to the Voluntaryist side, though. They're making a lot of sense to me these days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntaryism

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
I wasn't busting your chops, I just didn't know what the black flag stood for, so I wikied it and posted it on your page.

I support your switch to pure anarchism, but don't most anarchists reject 'free-market'-y type stuff?

I've got a bit of cognitive dissonance to deal with at the moment because I can't say I'm one thing or another. I still believe in a limited Minarchist government, even though it's immoral. Oh the inner political demons! I do lean heavily to the Voluntaryist side, though. They're making a lot of sense to me these days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntaryism

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
I wasn't busting your chops, I just didn't know what the black flag stood for, so I wikied it and posted it on your page.

I support your switch to pure anarchism, but don't most anarchists reject 'free-market'-y type stuff?

I wasn't busting your chops, I just didn't know what the black flag stood for, so I wikied it and posted it on your page.

I support your switch to pure anarchism, but don't most anarchists reject 'free-market'-y type stuff?

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
What can I say? Minarchism was proving to be a specious hold out while debating statists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_symbolism#Black_flag

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
Black Flag
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Black Flag may refer to:

* A flag that is black: see List of black flags
* The black flag, an international symbol in anarchist symbolism
o An alternative translation for the name of the anarchist Russian group Chernoe Znamia
o Black Flag (newspaper), an anarchist newspaper
o Czarny Sztandar (1903), a Białystok anarchist organisation
o Chernoe Znamia (1905), a Geneva anarchist newspaper
* Black Flag (insecticide), a brand of insecticide
* Black Flag (band), American hardcore punk band
* Black Flag, a ghost town in the Goldfields of Western Australia
* Black Flag Army, a militia operating around Hanoi in the late 19th century
* Black flag, one of the racing flags used to summon drivers to the pits
* Black Flag Wing Chun, a Chinese martial arts style from the province of Fujian
* A common name for the weed, Ferraria crispa
* A Black Flag Disqualification, which is when a black flag is raised at the start, anybody over the line when there is less than one minute until the start is disqualified.

What can I say? Minarchism was proving to be a specious hold out while debating statists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_symbolism#Black_flag

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
Black Flag
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Black Flag may refer to:

* A flag that is black: see List of black flags
* The black flag, an international symbol in anarchist symbolism
o An alternative translation for the name of the anarchist Russian group Chernoe Znamia
o Black Flag (newspaper), an anarchist newspaper
o Czarny Sztandar (1903), a Białystok anarchist organisation
o Chernoe Znamia (1905), a Geneva anarchist newspaper
* Black Flag (insecticide), a brand of insecticide
* Black Flag (band), American hardcore punk band
* Black Flag, a ghost town in the Goldfields of Western Australia
* Black Flag Army, a militia operating around Hanoi in the late 19th century
* Black flag, one of the racing flags used to summon drivers to the pits
* Black Flag Wing Chun, a Chinese martial arts style from the province of Fujian
* A common name for the weed, Ferraria crispa
* A Black Flag Disqualification, which is when a black flag is raised at the start, anybody over the line when there is less than one minute until the start is disqualified.

Black Flag
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Black Flag may refer to:

* A flag that is black: see List of black flags
* The black flag, an international symbol in anarchist symbolism
o An alternative translation for the name of the anarchist Russian group Chernoe Znamia
o Black Flag (newspaper), an anarchist newspaper
o Czarny Sztandar (1903), a Białystok anarchist organisation
o Chernoe Znamia (1905), a Geneva anarchist newspaper
* Black Flag (insecticide), a brand of insecticide
* Black Flag (band), American hardcore punk band
* Black Flag, a ghost town in the Goldfields of Western Australia
* Black Flag Army, a militia operating around Hanoi in the late 19th century
* Black flag, one of the racing flags used to summon drivers to the pits
* Black Flag Wing Chun, a Chinese martial arts style from the province of Fujian
* A common name for the weed, Ferraria crispa
* A Black Flag Disqualification, which is when a black flag is raised at the start, anybody over the line when there is less than one minute until the start is disqualified.

>> ^bcglorf:

How do you pay for policing and a judicial system to arrest thieves, rapists and murders? How do you pay for an army to stop the dictator next door from walking in and shooting all your policemen and taking over?

The truth is we just don't like aggression, violence and our money being stolen to pay for wars and bad government policy.
Nobody does. But people disagree on what bad government policy is, and even in many cases on the difference between war and national self defense. That's why we need more than a blanket 'do away with income taxes'. We need to additionally agree on the services to cut which that money pays for.


Do you mean the dictator that we had installed after inciting the last coup or just some random dictator?

The thing is National Defense is one thing, while unjustified wars where we've been lied to from black flag operations is another (i.e.: gulf of tonkin incident). How many of our men and women died for that great cause? How much money did it cost us? How many family units were torn apart? How many more of these must we endure and funnel more money into when we could have been beefing up our actual real National Defense?

I'm not patronizing by pointing out that this music had it's place and purpose in rock history and just because it doesn't speak to you (and it's not supposed to speak to everyone) doesn't make it any less music then the music you like. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but your coming off as a music snob. There is a lot of music that I don't care for and sounds like crap to me but to each his own.

By saying things like "So, to rebel against clean, clear sounds, one must refuse to learn how to play one's instrument" just shows your ignorance of the genre. People weren't listening to bands like Black Flag, Dead Kennedy's, The Circle Jerks, etc... Because they had a guitarist like Eddie Van Halen or a singer like Elton John...it wasn't about how good you could play your instrument. It was about the sound that you could create and the energy of that sound and the lyrics. The lyrics to one of the songs in this video "New Yorks Alright if you Like Saxophones" are pretty funny. The lyrics to one of the other songs "Let's Have a War" is also some good satire about how war is good for the economy "Jack up the Dow Jones!" and "General Motors get fat like last time!".

I'm not saying that you have to like this or understand this...just explaining why some people do. Your response on the other hand is basically that what I am telling you and what others have told you about the genre and why we like it is all bullshit.

>> ^Stormsinger:
So, to rebel against clean, clear sounds, one must refuse to learn how to play one's instrument, and just scream raggedly into a mike. Got it.
Drop the patronization, please. I'm fully aware of the ridiculous claims made to support the godawful talentless crap they called punk. And it's still nothing but noise. Precisely on the level of the three-year-old throwing a tantrum by screaming and kicking the floor.
I'm not saying there is no value in punk...but the value wasn't actually perceptible until -after- it was gone. Some of the bands now called post-punk are moderately interesting...a few are even very interesting. But that's not a description you'll ever convince me applies to this video.
>> ^Grimm:
And that's why you don't understand...because Rock and Roll isn't all about the "music". It can be, but it's not limited to that. The punk movement came about in part as a rebellion to how sanitized, over-produced, and corporate rock and roll had become in the 70's. You can't rebel against that kind of music by playing that kind of music...in it's extreme form you have to take it to the other end of the spectrum. Raw, three-chords, angry, attitude, expressive, etc... It spoke to a generation who grew up in the 70's to sanitized corporate rock and disco music.
>> ^Stormsinger:
Frankly, I'm really having a hard time making the word "music" stretch to cover that noise.